> "Welcome" dialog is on rightmost monitor, not main
monitor (the black
> Gnome menu is on main monitor).
We don't really have any way of knowing what the main monitor is, in a
multiple monitor setup. I think X just goes with enumeration order until
you specify it somehow...
I don't know enough about xrandr to say, but it did figure out which
monitor to put the black menu on :-)
The odd part was that the welcome dialog and the menu were on
different monitors.
That's a GNOME design, I remember finding it a bit confusing at
first
but now I just hit Esc. The idea is that it's a 'shield' in front of
your desktop, which you swipe away.
I did hit Esc, it didn't work.
> No options in keyboard layout window - it brought up a blank
list and
> made me "pick" one.
Sorry, not quite sure what you mean here? Which 'keyboard layout window'
is this?
The first Welcome thing you get after the white intro movie, just
before you're asked to create a user account. Maybe it was an "input
methods" window? It was a blank dialog, I had to press next, I
couldn't figure out what its purpose was.
No, that's not the idea. The integration between anaconda,
initial-setup
and gnome-initial-setup just isn't entirely done yet. I think if you
create a user in anaconda it's an admin user by default, but I'm not
100% sure. It should probably give you the option.
IIRC it was the other way around, anaconda's user was the non-admin.
Clearly, your keyboard is broken. I'd return it. ;)
They didn't have a Windows key in 1984, and I'm NOT returning my Model M :-)
I've never quite got the 'being proud of having a keyboard
with no
Super key' thing. It's a handy key. But anyway, this is a general
introductory video to GNOME aimed at very new users; if you're geeky
enough to have gone out and carefully sourced a keyboard with no
Super key, you are not the target audience of the video, so that
doesn't really seem to be a problem.
You call it a Super key, but you show a Windows logo (you hide it but
it's obvious) in the movie. And you can ask the keyboard how many
keys it has.
> Resizing firefox is VERY slow - about 2-3 FPS.
Try booting with slub_debug=- . Pre-Beta builds of Fedora use debug
kernels, which are much slower than release kernels.
Yeah, I know about that. Nothing else was that slow though.
> analog 5.1 "test speakers" emits no output to
subwoofer (the other 5
> speakers worked fine)
>
> Digital spdif output does not have options for surround sound *at all*
> (the hardware is known-good under F17).
Where did you look?
Er, the gnome sound settings dialog. I currently (F17) use the
pavucontrol app to switch between analog stereo (gaming headset) and
digital surround (movies) but I was going for the "eat the dogfood"
option.
> Xrandr settings should be site-wide, not personal (esp,
they're
> ignored for the greeter screen). The greeter is hard to use because
> you can't keep track of where the cursor is due to the misconfigured
> screens.
What do you mean by 'xrandr' settings exactly?
Layout and rotation of monitors. It seems silly that the physical
layout of the monitors should be a per-user setting when the hardware
doesn't change between users. Each time I choose "switch user" all
the monitors revert to their "unconfigured" setting and I have to
re-run the Display settings thing for each user.
In F17 I manually configured the monitors in xorg.conf so they apply
right away and for everyone.
tool, I think it's planned to have an 'apply systemwide'
option in
future, but it's not done yet.
That would be a good solution.
Such settings shouldn't be made systemwide by default, as
multiple
users on a multi-user setting don't necessarily all want the same
settings...
In my case, monitor layout isn't a preference, it's a hardware
configuration...
> Xrandr changes turn the screen to random garbage for a few
seconds
> before reconfiguring.
That sounds like it might be a driver issue (none of the things above
are). The driver devs would probably need more details or a video or
something, though.
Yup. Others already reported it as such.
I don't know if there's been much testing with that many
monitors. Two
is a much more common case. This is not likely driver or
Fedora-specific, you're probably best off filing an upstream GNOME bug
on it, with more details and maybe a video.
If I can find time ;-)
I believe the app tries to render things so you have enough space to
put
all the displays in a vertical stack - i.e. it's just giving you enough
space for every possible arrangement. It's just that in your case - when
you have four monitors, several of which are vertically oriented - this
gives kind of a bad result, since the 'vertical stack' configuration
would be so tall. Again, I suspect the devs/designers haven't
necessarily seen a case like yours, which is kind of an edge case; it
may be worth filing this upstream also.
Perhaps, but even given the above, they're still WAY too small.
> At some points, gnome brought up a light-grey-on-lighter-grey
themed
> dialog, which looks like a disabled dialog and is hard to read.
Not quite sure what you're referring to here. Did you take a screenshot?
Nope. I don't recall which one it is, either, I'm going from my
notes.
There are notifications, if you wait long enough. You will also see
an
'Install updates and restart' option in the user menu when updates are
available; this is the 'offline updates' feature from F18.
Perhaps I'm impatient then, but the testing instructions said "update
your software" and I couldn't find a way to do that through the GUI.
> totem segfaults running NET_MAN.ogg (known bug)
Yeah, I think we have about 50 reports of that one now :P
I didn't bother filing another one ;-)
I would have tried vlc, which is what I usually use, but it wasn't in
the core repos. I have a HD/DVR that totem doesn't support.
> 0ad isn't playable - the "ok" button to start the
game is drawn on a
> spot on my desktop that doesn't map to a monitor, so I can't click it.
You should probably file bugs for these.
Perhaps, but I don't have time to try *every* app to see if it works,
where do you draw the line? I only tried these because they were
listed in the test plan, I'll never run them again for my own
purposes. If I can find the time, I'll document my findings as you
suggested.
Well, be fair here: it's not like the only two possible cases are
'four
large monitors in a pretty unusual setup' or 'tablet'.
IMHO the screensaver thing is clunky on a single large monitor.
You are an edge case. Edge cases get to have all the fun. =) I think
you're the only person I've ever heard of using four monitors on a
fairly 'regular' desktop (i.e. not some sort of special case - video
wall, camera monitoring or whatever). I use GNOME on a more
'typical' two-monitor setup and it's fine. Though I don't play games
on it.
My setup is the "typical" three-monitor setup that was the recommended
setup for a 30" monitor, plus a fourth for movies. One big main
monitor, flanked by two smaller portrait monitors for documents, gives
you a solid 4960 by 1600 workspace without a black bar down the
middle.
http://www.delorie.com/wood/desk/photos/img_1986.html
The fourth monitor is supposed to be *above* the main one, but I
haven't built the mounting shelf for them yet.