Re: APT, Yum and Red Carpet
by Jef Spaleta
>The difference is the RHLP is a distro and not a product in the normal
>software sense. I think it is the aim to spin off some other project
>over which Redhat has no control. The community is there to help guide
>Redhat as to their wishes, (i.e. the community's wishes) but Redhat is
>there to make the decision on the distro composition in the end. You can
>get many community brands around Redhat. They could do what you want,
>but I do not think they want that. It almost entails losing control of
>the project.
Hey I'm just using the already provided example of OpenOffice.org as a
"semi-external" project. How successful as a community project would
mozilla have been if it were under netscape branding? How successful of
a community project would OpenOffice.org have been if it were under Sun
trademark branding constraints. If RHLp is that different of a beastie
because its a "distro" and not an "application"..then maybe the
community project idea as a development model isn't a good fit either.
My pet hypothesis is that a separate brand is muy importante in building
up a community developer base. Taxation without representation and all
that jazz. But thats not the argument I'm making here. Red Hat can keep
their branding in rhlp for all i care as a consumer...just make it easy
for OEM's to build desktop and workstation systems that I can buy with
rhl pre-installed.
If OEM's can't market the fact that they pre-install RHL and call it
RHL..whats the point..for me as an end-user. I'm going to have to buy a
bare-bones box and make sure the components work together when i install
rhlp myself....no thanks. I WANT to pay for an OEM i trust to give me
hardware they are reasonable sure works(with some hardware support
garuntee) for my home desktop that runs RHL...not pink tie linux...not
green shoe linux...not monkey chunks linux...I want to KNOW its its
rhl...and I want that OEM to be able to tell me without hassle that what
they have pre-installed as the operating system is RHLP. I'd be even
happier if I had a good way to tell if the OEM was a member of the RHLP
community in good standing, and not just a leech.
Right now if you read the trademark guidelines for redhat products...a
box set "resell" is intimately involved with how oem's, without special
arrangement, can pre-install rhl and be able to market the system comes
with rhl. I'd hate to be forced to buy a pre-installed lindows box to
get a pre-installed linux with hardware i was only reasonable sure that
rhl worked with. Without further boxsets for oem's to "resell",
something with regard to how the oems I buy pre-installed home desktop
linux systems from has to change. If my oem is forced to start using
lindows pre-installed...then I'm going to follow the oem's lead, trust
them and continue to buy from them...and I'll hate myself for it. Why do
we need to make it difficult for system integrators to use the community
based rhl distro. There needs to be a clear way for oems to be able to
market that they sell pre-installed rhl boxen. But this is turning into
more of a rant...from what I can tell...this issue is on the radar
screen I think with "the man"...and I'm a peripheral observer, as a
pre-installed home desktop system buyer. But If i may flex my miniscule
marketing power a little for show, I'll say...there is no way i'm going
to consistently spend the effort to build my own home desktop linux
systems from components...hardware compatibility and reliability can
still be a minefield. I want oem's to be able to sell me hardware they
stand behind...and they need to be able to market that they've
pre-installed rhl. Hell i wouldn't even mind if the sell of a
subscription to rhn was a condition that oem's must meet in place of the
boxset resell, which can no longer be satisified. If I'm buying from an
OEM to get hardware assurance...i'm more than happy to have a "software
assurance" subscription as part of that charge. Oh crap did i say
"software assurance" thats a MS trademark now isnt it...i'm going to
have to get a bigger stick to fight of those lawyers too.
-jef"snapple fun fact: 131
penguins have an organ above their eyes that converts sea water
to fresh water"spaleta
20 years, 10 months
Samba 3.0.0 beta3 config option "domain controller = xxx"
by Joseph Phillips
After upgrading to the latest Red Hat RPM packages for Samba 3.0.0 beta 3,
the default smb.conf file includes this option:
# Use only if you have an NT server on your network that has been
# configured at install time to be a primary domain controller.
domain controller = xxx
But, the official RPM packages from Samba.org do not contain this option. I
am on the samba mailing list, and, according to John H Terpstra from
samba.org, this "domain controller" is not a parameter from samba.
Is this a parameter that Red Hat added? If so, why did Red Hat add a
parameter that doesn't exist in the official build of samba? What does this
parameter do?
Thanks.
20 years, 10 months
serial mice and kudzu
by Leonard den Ottolander
Hi,
Why is it kudzu doesn't recognize my serial mouse any more? It still does
with 7.3, not with Severn, and probably not since 8.0.
Bye,
Leonard.
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20 years, 10 months
rpm segfaulting
by Leonard den Ottolander
Hi,
I couldn't install Severn on a Cyrix P166 (installer fails after package
selection), so I installed 7.3. From this system I did
mkdir -p /mnt/hda5/var/lib/rpm
rpm --root /mnt/hda5 -iv $(cat packs)
to install the selected Severn rpm's listed in packs. Of course I edited
/etc/fstab and set a root password for the new system.
This worked quite well, except for a little problem when installing the
kernel. /sbin/mkkerneldoth failed on rpm -q
kernel$KERNEL_TYPE/$KERNEL_RELEASE.
As it turns out on the newly created system I can't use rpm at all. Either
it segfaults or the task is terminated because it's considered a non-exec
exploit attempt. (There are no __db* files in /var/lib/rpm. I also repeated
the above procedure to create a 7.3 system and I see no problems there.)
I am not sure whether this is caused by the fact that I used rpm provided
with RH 7.3 (4.0.4-7x.18 (not yet updated this sys)) to install Severn, or
whether I actually hit a bug (anything to do with the cpu I am using?).
Bye,
Leonard.
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20 years, 10 months
Re: Severn Beta2
by Jef Spaleta
Noah wrote:
> Well, this is true, I meant something more along the lines of "I wish
> Redhat and Ximian would work together to ease upgrades"
This problem is going to get far worse....before it gets better.
Think of Ximian as just another 3rd party repo like freshrpms or fedora
and you'll see what I mean. The long term solution is not a matter of
how red hat and ximian communicate...but how ALL the packagers
targetting rhl communicate. Setting down usable guidelines and policies
as to how repos for add-ons and enhancements to the "base" rhl distros
are constructed needs to be worked out so they they ALL interact as
seamlessly as possible...especially when upgrading the base distro. XD2
i guess is special because its SO invasive. I would imagine having XD2
on yer system would complicate using any of the other 3rd party repos
like freshrpms and fedora as well as upgrading the base. But I would
think upgrading the base with just fedora and freshrpm packages
installed can make the upgrade process less than ideal. Someone clever
needs to work out the logic of how to do a base upgrade when you have 3
or 4 layers of 3rd party applications.
Maybe there is a need for specific packaging guidelines that 3rd party
packages must meet so upgrading will work smoothly, not that i have any
clue as to what that should be. If this is going to move towards the
community project ideal..the community is going to have to set a
standard and hold 3rd party repo/package builders to that
standards..ximian included.
-jef"fears the day when there are 100+ overlapping 3rd party yum repos
for rhl"spaleta
20 years, 10 months
Beta Versions--Taroon and Severn
by Joseph Phillips
1. Is Taroon the beta for the next version of RHEL?
2. Is Severn the beta for the next version of RHL?
Thanks.
20 years, 10 months
Odd USB mouse + PCMCIA Ethernet happenings
by Dee-Ann LeBlanc
I have a USB laser mouse and a PCMCIA Ethernet card in my laptop. I was
trying to FTP something off of that laptop onto another machine and my
local network and was trying to figure out why the laptop won't keep its
Ethernet connection up (it drops it and I have to restart it manually)
and why it was terribly laggy and then, all of a suddenly, traffic
bursts through.
Well, I figured it out but that just made me more confused. I have to
move the mouse on that machine to let network traffic pass through. This
problem persists even after reboot.
Anyone else have this strange one? :)
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20 years, 10 months
Add an extended partition with disk druid
by Leonard den Ottolander
Hi,
Now that fdisk is not part of the installer anymore I was wondering how I
can add an extended partition to my setup with disk druid. I don't see any
option to do this...
Bye,
Leonard.
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Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo!
End all weapons of mass destruction.
20 years, 10 months
RE: Using ALSA?....
by Glen Maeding
Bill-
Thats what i thought, but after typing that , i got nothing out of it. I
checked the list via lsmod command and i see this:
ac97_codec 19468 1 trident
soundcore 8768 3 sound,trident
Now that isnt supposed to be like that is it?
* ** Glen Maeding
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Nottingham [mailto:notting@redhat.com]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:43 PM
To: rhl-beta-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: Using ALSA?....
Glen Maeding (gmaeding(a)kidspeace.org) said:
> 1) How do you check to see if its using ALSA instead of OSS in console?
lsmod | grep "snd-"
ALSA modules start with snd-XXX.
Bill
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