We have just completed our Go / No Go meeting for Fedora 12 and have reached the decision to Go. Fedora 12's package set is golden and we're ready to stage things for shipping. Great work all around, I'm very proud of this release. I'm sure there will be more back patting and hand shaking to come, but Will Woods would like to remind everybody that it's just 11 weeks until Fedora 13 Alpha freeze!
On 11/10/2009 01:29 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
We have just completed our Go / No Go meeting for Fedora 12 and have reached the decision to Go. Fedora 12's package set is golden and we're ready to stage things for shipping. Great work all around, I'm very proud of this release. I'm sure there will be more back patting and hand shaking to come, but Will Woods would like to remind everybody that it's just 11 weeks until Fedora 13 Alpha freeze!
I for one would like pat backs, I've been using rawhide on my main system now for weeks and its solid.
well done everyone involved
Martin Airs
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 17:29 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
We have just completed our Go / No Go meeting for Fedora 12 and have reached the decision to Go. Fedora 12's package set is golden and we're ready to stage things for shipping. Great work all around, I'm very proud of this release. I'm sure there will be more back patting and hand shaking to come, but Will Woods would like to remind everybody that it's just 11 weeks until Fedora 13 Alpha freeze!
I'd just like to say a big thank you to all involved in F12.
Over the development cycle I couldn't get my system to boot, then I couldn't get X running, and then I couldn't keep it running and finally the ATI issues I and others were having were resolved.
I'm pleased to say that while I didn't get to see it evolve from f11 to f12, when it finally worked, it was far better than I ever expected, and many of the issues I've had with f11 have been resolved which is great (and yes, I had filed bugs ;-])
Rodd
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:21:59 +1100, Rodd Clarkson rodd@clarkson.id.au wrote:
Over the development cycle I couldn't get my system to boot, then I couldn't get X running, and then I couldn't keep it running and finally the ATI issues I and others were having were resolved.
I think it is huge that the video guys got stuff worked out in time for the release. Working native 3d for ATI and Intel is going to make a much better impression than what we have had the last few releases.
On 11/10/2009 09:56 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:21:59 +1100, Rodd Clarkson rodd@clarkson.id.au wrote:
Over the development cycle I couldn't get my system to boot, then I couldn't get X running, and then I couldn't keep it running and finally the ATI issues I and others were having were resolved.
I think it is huge that the video guys got stuff worked out in time for the release. Working native 3d for ATI and Intel is going to make a much better impression than what we have had the last few releases.
Hopefully Nouveau gets 3D support within a couple of releases as well. Getting rid of the biggest pain of proprietary drivers would be one giant step forward for Linux on the desktop.
Rahul
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:55:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hopefully Nouveau gets 3D support within a couple of releases as well. Getting rid of the biggest pain of proprietary drivers would be one giant step forward for Linux on the desktop.
Yeah. While I wouldn't go out and buy nvidia cards I have a couple in systems I got as scrap and it would be nice to have 3d on them. I don't trust the nvidia stuff not to screw things up for helping test the nouveau drivers, so I have been stuck with only 2d support for a good chunk of F12's development.
The nouveau guys have made a surprising amount of progress and I think there is a good chance they will have good 3d support 2 or 3 releases down the road. (Though I would like to see Red Hat help out more to cut this to 1 or 2 releases, since I think the current situation hurts Fedora.) I'd also like to see people move away from Cg and use the free and more portable equivalents.
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:39:23PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:55:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hopefully Nouveau gets 3D support within a couple of releases as well. Getting rid of the biggest pain of proprietary drivers would be one giant step forward for Linux on the desktop.
Yeah. While I wouldn't go out and buy nvidia cards I have a couple in systems I got as scrap and it would be nice to have 3d on them. I don't trust the nvidia stuff not to screw things up for helping test the nouveau drivers, so I have been stuck with only 2d support for a good chunk of F12's development.
The nouveau guys have made a surprising amount of progress and I think there is a good chance they will have good 3d support 2 or 3 releases down the road. (Though I would like to see Red Hat help out more to cut this to 1 or 2 releases, since I think the current situation hurts Fedora.) I'd also like to see people move away from Cg and use the free and more portable equivalents.
I had the good fortune to meet Ben Skeggs, a nouveau developer at Red Hat's Brisbane office, and tell him how effective some of his work has been so far. (I have a laptop with NVidia, not by choice but through a weird set of circumstances you can find on my blog from last year.)
I have full KMS now on this laptop, and while there's no 3D yet, I still managed to surprise a bunch of people here in Brisbane by plugging my laptop into an external LCD TV, and having it just work. I used this as a great example of how 6 months in Fedora-land can bring a lot of changes.
By the way, I also met Dave Airlie and told him my r770-based ATI card was also rocking, with the added bonus of 3D support. I'm really happy with the progress in F12 and I hope other people enjoy it too!
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 09:55 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hopefully Nouveau gets 3D support within a couple of releases as well.
Ben says to send beer. :)
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 09:55 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hopefully Nouveau gets 3D support within a couple of releases as well.
Ben says to send beer. :)
Happily, ask him what slab he wants and where he wants it delivered :-P
Peter
On 11/09/2009 05:29 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
We have just completed our Go / No Go meeting for Fedora 12 and have reached the decision to Go. Fedora 12's package set is golden and we're ready to stage things for shipping. Great work all around, I'm very
My impressions from this meeting were slightly different :-)
We noted that there are no known reasons that we are "not go" and that we will continue testing until Wednesday when QA expects to have completed the testing matrix. Maybe we are separated by semantics, but "gone gold" or "completely done" was not an impression I left the meeting with.
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-10/fedora-meeting.20...
John
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 09:02 -0800, John Poelstra wrote:
My impressions from this meeting were slightly different :-)
We noted that there are no known reasons that we are "not go" and that we will continue testing until Wednesday when QA expects to have completed the testing matrix. Maybe we are separated by semantics, but "gone gold" or "completely done" was not an impression I left the meeting with.
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-10/fedora-meeting.20...
Our impressions are indeed different. The go / no go meeting was the point of no return. Once we go, there is no going back. We've made a commitment to go with what we have, and let the various teams that need time to prepare for the release to start their work, as much of that work cannot be pulled back once done.
On 11/10/2009 09:24 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 09:02 -0800, John Poelstra wrote:
My impressions from this meeting were slightly different :-)
We noted that there are no known reasons that we are "not go" and that we will continue testing until Wednesday when QA expects to have completed the testing matrix. Maybe we are separated by semantics, but "gone gold" or "completely done" was not an impression I left the meeting with.
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-10/fedora-meeting.20...
Our impressions are indeed different. The go / no go meeting was the point of no return. Once we go, there is no going back. We've made a commitment to go with what we have, and let the various teams that need time to prepare for the release to start their work, as much of that work cannot be pulled back once done.
Let's say all of these things next time and be clear about what our next steps are. I will try to help with that. Re-reading the meeting log, none of the things announced about "going GOLD" were said at the meeting. The "Go/No-Go" meetings for Alpha and Beta were handled differently in that we kept optimistically testing after them vs. saying we were "GO" and abruptly moving on to other things.
That was the disconnect for me.
John