Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Exceptions restricting program name are compatible with "LGPLv2 with exceptions", correct?
Hi Tom,
Below is Tuomo's response regarding the Notion license in its entirety. In short, he was not interested in modifying the terms of the license, however, he did confirm that the Notion satisfies the terms of the current license.
So, what's next? Is there anything I can do to help the process along?
Regards, Jeff
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Questions Regarding the Ion(tm) License Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:15:16 +0000 From: Tuomo Valkonen tuomov@iki.fi To: Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com
On 06 Dec 2013, at 12:44, Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com wrote:
Dr. Valkonen,
I know you are very busy, so I will be brief.
I am writing to you on behalf of the Notion project, which is a fork of Ion3(tm) created in 2010. Since you have obviously moved onto bigger and better things and Ion3(tm) has not been active since 2009, we feel that the additional clauses added to the LGPL 2.1 license are no longer necessary to avoid confusion with regard to supporting unofficial versions - particularly since you have officially stated that you no longer offer support of any version. Therefore we ask that you grant permission to the Notion project to distribute as part of the Notion project any and all Ion(tm)-related material, including but not limited to primary and ancillary code and documentation, under the terms of the official LGPL version 2.1 as specified at https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html.
If you are not interested in releasing Ion(tm) under the official LGPL, either through Notion or other means, would you please at least verify that the Notion name sufficiently satisfies the Ion3(tm) license?
It does.
Tuomo
An simple e-mailed response is sufficient for either request. I thank you in advance for your time.
Kind Regards, Jeff
-- Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com http://github.com/jsbackus
I know everyone has been really busy trying to get F20 out the door - congrats to all involved! Now that it is officially released, anyone willing to pick this back up?
Regards, Jeff
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
Below is Tuomo's response regarding the Notion license in its entirety. In short, he was not interested in modifying the terms of the license, however, he did confirm that the Notion satisfies the terms of the current license.
So, what's next? Is there anything I can do to help the process along?
Regards, Jeff
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Questions Regarding the Ion(tm) License Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:15:16 +0000 From: Tuomo Valkonen tuomov@iki.fi tuomov@iki.fi To: Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com jeff.backus@gmail.com
On 06 Dec 2013, at 12:44, Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com jeff.backus@gmail.com wrote:
Dr. Valkonen,
I know you are very busy, so I will be brief.
I am writing to you on behalf of the Notion project, which is a fork of Ion3(tm) created in 2010. Since you have obviously moved onto bigger and better things and Ion3(tm) has not been active since 2009, we feel that the additional clauses added to the LGPL 2.1 license are no longer necessary to avoid confusion with regard to supporting unofficial versions - particularly since you have officially stated that you no longer offer support of any version. Therefore we ask that you grant permission to the Notion project to distribute as part of the Notion project any and all Ion(tm)-related material, including but not limited to primary and ancillary code and documentation, under the terms of the official LGPL version 2.1 as specified at https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html.
If you are not interested in releasing Ion(tm) under the official LGPL, either through Notion or other means, would you please at least verify that the Notion name sufficiently satisfies the Ion3(tm) license?
It does.
Tuomo
An simple e-mailed response is sufficient for either request. I thank you in advance for your time.
Kind Regards, Jeff
-- Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com http://github.com/jsbackus
On 12/17/2013 11:37 AM, Jeff Backus wrote:
I know everyone has been really busy trying to get F20 out the door - congrats to all involved! Now that it is officially released, anyone willing to pick this back up?
Haven't forgotten about this, waiting on RH Legal. :)
~tom
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Great! Thanks!
Regards, Jeff
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Tom Callaway tcallawa@redhat.com wrote:
On 12/17/2013 11:37 AM, Jeff Backus wrote:
I know everyone has been really busy trying to get F20 out the door - congrats to all involved! Now that it is officially released, anyone willing to pick this back up?
Haven't forgotten about this, waiting on RH Legal. :)
~tom
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After consulting with Red Hat Legal, we've decided that the Ion3 license is non-free, even with the clarification provided by Tuomo Valkonen. The license text is intentionally vague, and Dr. Valkonen has a history of interpreting the license in such a fashion that it cannot safely be assumed to be free, even in the narrow case of Notion.
Apologies, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear.
~tom
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Hi Tom,
No, that's not what we wanted to hear - but any resolution is better than no resolution! I'll switch it over to RPMFusion.
Tom, thanks again for all of your help. Please pass on our gratitude to the Red Hat Legal team as well. We appreciate they're taking the time to review the license.
Regards, Jeff
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Tom Callaway tcallawa@redhat.com wrote:
After consulting with Red Hat Legal, we've decided that the Ion3 license is non-free, even with the clarification provided by Tuomo Valkonen. The license text is intentionally vague, and Dr. Valkonen has a history of interpreting the license in such a fashion that it cannot safely be assumed to be free, even in the narrow case of Notion.
Apologies, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear.
~tom
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