Hi everybody!
I'm trying to input traditinal chinese text in a Fedora core 2 machine with spanish environtment. And I can't manage it to work.
I created a new user with chinese environtment, the programs works well, but it was imposible to input any character in the 3th tone (pinyin): the spanish distribution of the keyboard seems to put a point when inputting this tone.
In a full spanish environtment the window of iimf shows only a few of the characters, and it is imposible (for me) to input pinyin mode. Other problem is that the "ñ" character (the n letter with an ~ above) doesn't work in OpenOffice.org when the iimf server is on (but it works in others programs). That very confusing for me.
With Fedora Core 1, however, I could work fine in a spanish environtment with a small script that sets the xcin environtment and launched openoffice next, but I don't know how to do something like this in Fedora 2
¿Can anybody help me to find documentation (in spanish or english, I'm just starting to learn chinese) or something to archieve a solution?
(¿Can anybody understand my english? :) sorry, my spanish is much, much, better) Thanks!
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OH-lah Alejandro,
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 01:54, Alejandro Regodesebes wrote:
Hi everybody!
I'm trying to input traditinal chinese text in a Fedora core 2 machine with spanish environtment. And I can't manage it to work.
It works for me. :)
I created a new user with chinese environtment, the programs works well, but it was imposible to input any character in the 3th tone (pinyin): the spanish distribution of the keyboard seems to put a point when inputting this tone.
Are you using a spanish keyboard rather than a 101 key US keyboard? If so, maybe setting the keymap to US keyboard may get around the issue.
In a full spanish environtment the window of iimf shows only a few of the characters, and it is imposible (for me) to input pinyin mode. Other problem is that the "ñ" character (the n letter with an ~ above) doesn't work in OpenOffice.org when the iimf server is on (but it works in others programs). That very confusing for me.
Hmm..m..the window, are you referring to the candidate window or status window?
With Fedora Core 1, however, I could work fine in a spanish environtment with a small script that sets the xcin environtment and launched openoffice next, but I don't know how to do something like this in Fedora 2
Ah...this is because the httx bridge is not started in FC2 when you are in Spanish locale. I will attach a copy of the Test Case guide which you can follow. It will be similar to setting up the environment in KDE. An older version can be found at the following URL.
http://www.apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/testing-guide/
Let me know if this URL works for you, because I cant access it within the network. :)
¿Can anybody help me to find documentation (in spanish or english, I'm just starting to learn chinese) or something to archieve a solution?
(¿Can anybody understand my english? :) sorry, my spanish is much, much, better) Thanks!
No problem. I can understand your English perfectly. :)
Thanks, Lawrence
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Hi,
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:54:28 -0300 (ART), "AR" == Alejandro Regodesebes aregodesebes@yahoo.com.ar wrote:
AR> Hi everybody! AR> I'm trying to input traditinal chinese text in a AR> Fedora core 2 machine with spanish environtment. And I AR> can't manage it to work.
AR> I created a new user with chinese environtment, the AR> programs works well, but it was imposible to input any AR> character in the 3th tone (pinyin): the spanish AR> distribution of the keyboard seems to put a point when AR> inputting this tone.
AR> In a full spanish environtment the window of iimf AR> shows only a few of the characters, and it is AR> imposible (for me) to input pinyin mode.
Please make sure that you have httx running for non-gtk2 applications. if not, you need to run httx with proper locale which you want to input the language. for gtk2 applications, you need to add ImputMethod Switcher applet (gimlet) from the panel menu instead of running the applications on the proper locale. and if gimlet doesn't have the languages which you want to input, please add it from the preferences on gimlet. Please look at Input Method Testing Guide, Lawrence shows you.
AR> Other problem AR> is that the "ñ" character (the n letter with an ~ AR> above) doesn't work in OpenOffice.org when the iimf AR> server is on (but it works in others programs). That AR> very confusing for me.
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/124538
Possibly fixed packages are available on Raw Hide. Please test it and report your result on bugzilla.
Regards, -- Akira TAGOH
Hola Lawrence, hi Akira!
First, thanks for your support. I received the Input Method Testing Guide from Lawrence. I wait until now to report my results to you because I wanted to start from a clean installation of my Fedora, so last weekend I reinstall it (as a weekend Linux user, I usually perform try-and-error tests for learning, so my stoic computer usually gets damage in its Linux installation...).
Here are some things I could found (I just did the 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 tests for now), but before the report I have a question: The IIIMF can't works as xcin, in witch you could write several characters directly in pinyin, with the format pinyin+tone, and where xcin usually replaced the characters of common expressions with the rights ones when you did a mistake? Thanks you a lot!
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1.1 KDE Desktop: kedit Results OK when using English keyboard layout, Traditional Chinese session.
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1.1 KDE Desktop: kedit (in Spanish keyboard layout)
Reporter: Alejandro Regodesebes
Fedora Core 2 (full package installation, no updates performed)
Desktop environment: KDE
Observation: Test performed with Spanish keyboard, and Spanish keyboard map.
How reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce: 1.Start KDE session from gdm in Traditional Chinese, with Spanish keyboard layout. (OK) 2.Run kedit (OK) 3.In KDE toggle on LE (CTRL+SPACE) (OK) 4.Input some text. Notes for pinyin input: * Pinyin mode doesn't start with Ctrl+Alt+2 (as the Input Method Testing Guide says), but with Ctrl+Alt+4 * Pinyin tone 2 doesn't achieve with [shift]+2, but with [AltGr]+2. [shift]+2 in Spanish keyboard is , and when you press this combination, IIMF waits for a number (the pinyin tone) and then shows the corresponds characters. [AltGr]+2, in the other hand, is the Spanish keyboard combination for @. * Pinyin tone 3 doesn't achieve with [shift]+3, but with [AltGr]+3. [shift]+3 in Spanish keyboard is · (the middle-point, the point that is usually used when seeing spaces in a word processor were you activate the show invisible character function), and when you press this combination, IIMF puts this point at the left of the phonetic word and doesn't shows the corresponds characters. [AltGr]+3, in the other hand, is the Spanish keyboard combination for #. 5.Toggle off LE (CTRL+SPACE) (OK)
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1.2 GNOME Desktop Environment: gedit Results OK when using English keyboard layout, Traditional Chinese session.
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1.2 GNOME Desktop Environment: gedit (in Spanish keyboard layout)
Reporter: Alejandro Regodesebes
Fedora Core 2 (full package installation, no updates performed)
Desktop environment: GNOME
Observation: Test performed with Spanish keyboard, and Spanish keyboard map.
How reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce: 1.Start GNOME session from gdm in Traditional Chinese, with Spanish keyboard layout. (OK) 2.Run gedit (OK) 3.In gedit toggle on LE (CTRL+SPACE) (OK) 4.Input some text. Notes for pinyin input: * Pinyin mode doesn't start with Ctrl+Alt+2 (as the Input Method Testing Guide says), but with Ctrl+Alt+4 * Pinyin tone 2 doesn't achieve with [shift]+2, but with [AltGr]+2. [shift]+2 in Spanish keyboard is , and when you press this combination, IIMF waits for a number (the pinyin tone) and then shows the corresponds characters. [AltGr]+2, in the other hand, is the Spanish keyboard combination for @. * Pinyin tone 3 doesn't achieve with [shift]+3, but with [AltGr]+3. [shift]+3 in Spanish keyboard is · (the middle-point, the point that is usually used when seeing spaces in a word processor were you activate the show invisible character function), and when you press this combination, IIMF puts this point at the left of the phonetic word and doesn't shows the corresponds characters. [AltGr]+3, in the other hand, is the Spanish keyboard combination for #. 5.Toggle off LE (CTRL+SPACE) (OK)
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1.3 GIMLET Setup
Reporter: Alejandro Regodesebes
Fedora Core 2 (full package installation, no updates performed)
Desktop environment: Gnome
Observation: Test performed with Spanish keyboard, but with English layout.
How reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce: 1.Start GNOME session from gdm. (OK, I performed this test in Spanish, American English and Traditional Chinese sessions with the same results) 2.Right-Clic mouse on the panel 3.Highlight and select Add to Panel --> Utility --> InputMethod Switcher (I can highlight the option, but when I select it, nothing appears in Panel) 4.Run gedit. (OK) 5.Select the desired LE by clicking on the GIMLET. (As I see no GIMLET, I can't select the LE; instead: 5.a. Right-Clic on the gedit workspace. 5.b. Highlight and select Input Method --> Internet/Intranet Input Method Now GIMLET becomes visible in the Panel, and I can perform the LE selection.) 6.Select Traditional Chinese in GIMLET. 7.Enter pinyin mode (see Section 0.3): CTRL+ALT+2 (wrong, I can only gets pinyin mode with CTRL+ALT+4) 8.Enter: h o n g [shift]+2 (see Section 0.3) (OK, the text appears).
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1.3 GIMLET Setup (test modified)
Reporter: Alejandro Regodesebes
Fedora Core 2 (full package installation, no updates performed)
Desktop environment: Gnome
Observation: Test performed with Spanish keyboard, and Spanish layout.
How reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce: 1.Start GNOME session from gdm. (OK, I performed this test in Spanish, American English and Traditional Chinese with the same results) 2.Right-Clic mouse on the panel 3.Highlight and select Add to Panel --> Utility --> InputMethod Switcher (I can highlight the option, but when I select it, nothing appears in Panel) 4.Run gedit. (OK) 5.Select the desired LE by clicking on the GIMLET. (As I see no GIMLET, I can't select the LE; instead: 5.a. Right-Clic on the gedit workspace. 5.b. Highlight and select Input Method --> Internet/Intranet Input Method Now GIMLET becomes visible in the Panel, and I can perform the LE selection.) 6.Select Traditional Chinese in GIMLET. 7.Enter pinyin mode (see Section 0.3): CTRL+ALT+2 (wrong, I can only gets pinyin mode with CTRL+ALT+4) 8.Enter ma1: m a [shift]+1 (OK, tone1 characters appears, and I can select one of then. NOTE: [shift]+1 in Spanish keyboard layout correspond to !). 9.Enter ma2: m a [shift]+2 (WRONG, no character appears. Instead, the program waits for a number the pinyin tone and then the correspond characters appears. NOTE: [shift]+2 in Spanish keyboard layout correspond to . The standard behavior is get by [AltGr]+2, witch correspond to the character @). 10.Enter ma3: m a [shift]+3 (WRONG, the program puts a middle-point the point that is usually used when seeing spaces in a word processor were you activate the show invisible character function at the left of the word MA. NOTE: [shift]+3 in Spanish keyboard layout correspond to that point. The standard behavior is get by [AltGr]+3, witch correspond to the character #). 11.Enter ma4: m a [shift]+4 (OK, tone4 characters appears, and I can select one of then. NOTE: [shift]+4 in Spanish keyboard layout correspond to $).
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