Hey Aaron,
thank you for you response.
On 4.12.2012 16:14, Aaron Weitekamp wrote:
This is good stuff Jaromir. My only concern, as you alluded to, is
it's a bit of a "start from scratch" approach. If we can do that,
wonderful! But if it's too big a hill to climb then could we make
these changes more iteratively?
If you look over all the discussions, this is
longterm concept, what to
achieve in the future, what could help us to serve better UX. It is
partly start from the scratch, but I tried to align it with concepts we
have now. In other mails, it is described, that there are about 4 steps,
which we need to take one-by-one to end with this solution. It's not
possible to achieve it in one big step.
1) Create missing views
2) Navigation restructuring
3) Unify detailed views
4) Two pane layout
I recently posted some possible approaches[1]. The concepts are much
less specific than yours. (I'm not a designer!)
1. Is it really a navigation problem or rather not taking advantage
of
our table widget model? It seems we don't display enough information
so we end up with many page views, therefore confusing the user. Your
solution addresses this nicely and my proposal is to apply this
throughout the site.
The biggest problem is really a navigation problem which
corresponds
also with workflows.
2. Clean up and consolidate permissions management
Under
process - Jeremy is working on UI around permissions, my concept
of navigation restructuring addresses this as well (hiding unused parts)
3. Remove monitoring redundancy
Monitor will work only as
monitor - no management there. We need an
overview and monitor is good way how to show this to user. But it will
be little bit differently taken than now.
4. Clean up UI antipatterns
Depends what you need with this,
but this is mostly what we are trying
to solve through the time. Unify views and use patterns all across the
application.
Regarding the "skin", could we not just update the design
of how the
current tabs are displayed and achieve the same results? For example,
under Users we have tabs Users, User Groups and Permissions.
I never addressed
skin. The look is secondary in this moment.
One more time, thanks for comments, they are really valuable. This is
great conversation, maybe just not very well suitable for blog posts,
but more for mailing lists, like this one.
-- Jarda
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