Hey Greg,
I agree with you, thanks for explanations.
I wanted to figure out what are your intentions and understand them
correctly. It's clearer now and when we get further, I would love to
involve into more detailed discussions.
-- Jarda
On 26.10.2012 16:47, Greg Blomquist wrote:
Hey Jarda
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jaromír Coufal" <jcoufal(a)redhat.com>
> To: "Greg Blomquist" <gblomqui(a)redhat.com>
> Cc: aeolus-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:59:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Winged Monkey
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> thank you for your answer, there are few reactions within the text.
>
<big snip>
>> Don't take this as a directive to drop everything related to
>> Conductor and start devoting time to Winged Monkey. You should
>> only
>> get involved if it actually makes sense for you to do so.
> Oh, no worries, I don't take it directive. I just wanted to bring out
> my
> thoughts, which might help to see it from different point of view. I
> don't say I am right, I don't say that these are my thoughts I will
> insist on. Please, take it more like discussion about Winked Monkey
> and
> Conductor, which helps to make the project more clear (at least to
> me).
>
> -- Jarda
>
I believe this is the core of our discussion. We're circling around
the opposite ends of the same idea: serve more than just the admin
user community of cloud users.
Clearly, there are ideas that I've snipped out above that I should
probably respond to. But, in the end, I think you and I could dance
around the technical merit of different approaches to realizing this
idea of providing a useful interface for non-technical cloud users.
My sincere belief is that we're both right. In fact, I think
Conductor _should_ be enhanced and expanded to support non-technical
users. I believe that should happen because we have an obligation
to try out that path forward.
I also believe that we should simultaneously explore other paths
forward. Winged Monkey is one such path.
You've raised valid technical concerns that I've snipped. The
main reason is that I don't have all the technical answers. My
default answer to anything regarding "hey, you need to handle XYZ"
is, at least for the foreseeable future, going to be "no I don't,
some other app already does that".
That's insufficient as a technical argument, I completely understand
that. And, it's difficult to paint a better picture until those
technical arguments can be defended. Until that time comes, I'm
gonna keep trudging forward with this to either show it can work,
or disprove its value. I don't think I've reached either of those
ends yet, though.
Hope that helps a bit.
----
Greg
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