Hi All,
Any sign of a spine for 24 yet?
-T
On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 10:28:35AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
Hi All, Any sign of a spine for 24 yet?
you will need to provide more details as wto what you are asking for.
Well, there doesn't seem to be an XFCE spin at
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/24_Beta-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/
although there was one at
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/24_Beta-1.4/Spins/x86_64/iso/
On Mon, 9 May 2016 11:31:37 -0400 Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 10:28:35AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
Hi All, Any sign of a spine for 24 yet?
you will need to provide more details as wto what you are asking for.
Well, there doesn't seem to be an XFCE spin at
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/24_Beta-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/
although there was one at
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/24_Beta-1.4/Spins/x86_64/iso/
This is due to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1315541 which causes randomly some live media to not compose. ;(
Hopefully we can track it down and fix it soon.
kevin
On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
although there was one at
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/24_Beta-1.4/Spins/x86_64/iso/
Boots up real pretty in KVM. :-)
It is still on gparted 0.25. 0.26 gives LUKS support, which is a real big deal.
Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's.
Most of the problems are with bastardized "How dare you boot anything other than Windows!" UEFI bioses.
On the new Levono X laptops, there is now a pin hole in the front left side to press that gets you a dialog for setup and boot. And it works perfectly once you know it is there. A pin hole is a new one on me!
Hi Todd,
On 10/05/2016 23:16, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
[...]
Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's.
Thanks for sharing, this is really cool to know. Do you also have persistence? Performance-wise what's your feel (of course I imagine it depends a lot on the use case and scenario..)
I'm rather interested about this scenario so it's would be great if you cared to share some more info / experience.
Lorenzo.
On 05/11/2016 02:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hi Todd,
On 10/05/2016 23:16, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
[...]
Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's.
Thanks for sharing, this is really cool to know. Do you also have persistence? Performance-wise what's your feel (of course I imagine it depends a lot on the use case and scenario..)
I'm rather interested about this scenario so it's would be great if you cared to share some more info / experience.
Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo,
As far as I can tell, it is the same. You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory. Would you like my notes on such?
-T
On 12/05/2016 17:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory.
Would you say that again, Todd? Are you saying that the live spin, if placed on a USB stick, provides a home directory that persists between use on different machines? And that the persistence is achieved by writing the home directory back onto the stick?
Do any changes outside home also persist? Such as in /etc, or even additional useful dnf installs?
Would you like my notes on such?
Does the list permit attachments? I'd be interested in having a look at them. I like the xfce desktop on Fedora for doing quick checks on machines.
regards, Ron
On 12 May 2016 at 13:59, Ron Leach ronleach@tesco.net wrote:
On 12/05/2016 17:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory.
Would you say that again, Todd? Are you saying that the live spin, if placed on a USB stick, provides a home directory that persists between use on different machines? And that the persistence is achieved by writing the home directory back onto the stick?
Do any changes outside home also persist? Such as in /etc, or even additional useful dnf installs?
So how persistence works is that it creates an 'overlay' file which tracks all the changes that you do to the files. You can do a dnf update and other changes and it is dealt with on the overlay. The downsides are the following: 1) Your USB key canl wear out quickly as it is not meant to deal with lots of writes and such. 2) Your file writes are very slow because they have to write to the USB key.
Would you like my notes on such?
Does the list permit attachments? I'd be interested in having a look at them. I like the xfce desktop on Fedora for doing quick checks on machines.
regards, Ron
xfce mailing list xfce@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/xfce@lists.fedoraproject.org
On 05/12/2016 10:59 AM, Ron Leach wrote:
On 12/05/2016 17:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory.
Would you say that again, Todd? Are you saying that the live spin, if placed on a USB stick, provides a home directory that persists between use on different machines? And that the persistence is achieved by writing the home directory back onto the stick?
Do any changes outside home also persist? Such as in /etc, or even additional useful dnf installs?
Would you like my notes on such?
Does the list permit attachments? I'd be interested in having a look at them. I like the xfce desktop on Fedora for doing quick checks on machines.
regards, Ron
yes and no on the persistence, which is something different than what you may think. There is a second area too that you can use freely.
I will write back in a couple of days. when I get some free time.
On 05/12/2016 10:59 AM, Ron Leach wrote:
On 12/05/2016 17:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory.
Would you say that again, Todd? Are you saying that the live spin, if placed on a USB stick, provides a home directory that persists between use on different machines? And that the persistence is achieved by writing the home directory back onto the stick?
Do any changes outside home also persist? Such as in /etc, or even additional useful dnf installs?
Would you like my notes on such?
Does the list permit attachments? I'd be interested in having a look at them. I like the xfce desktop on Fedora for doing quick checks on machines.
regards, Ron
Hi Ron, There are three things I had to wrap my head around with livecd-iso-to-disk:
1) you must the the EXACT version of Fedora that livecd-iso-to-disk was written for.
you must use the same version of Fedora that the LIVE iso is spun for.
so you have to cut Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso on Fedora 23.
and don't ask me why. The answer I got back was that the uses files from the system it is running and they have to match. The author has told me several time not to use his script on Scientific Linux, but on the exact version of Fedora only.
2) persistence means "use and lose". You can install programs to the point were the tiny persistence storage fills up, then it is gone. If you erase something from it, you still never get that space back. So you can NEVER reuse the space.
Persistance is covered by the "--overlay-size-mb" flag. And regardless of what anyone says, the maximum size is 4095. This has to do with presistence using some kind of virtual machine based on a vfat partition.
3) Ah! We also have a "home" directory and that acts like a normal hard drive. You can add and delete. The home directory is covered by the "--home-size-mb" flag. And you can have any size that fits on your stick. Start with a huge size and it will wag the finger at you, letting you know the maximum size.
The following cut on a Kingston DTR3.0G2 16 GB mounted on /dev/sdc. Change to the appropriate dev and make sure you don't wipe something else out by accident with "dd":
Erase the flash drive (or it will reuse the partition structure) # dd bs=4096 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc
Cut the live stick # livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr --delete-home --home-size-mb 8829 --overlay-size-mb 4095 --unencrypted-home Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso /dev/sdc
Hope that helps, -T
On 05/14/2016 08:31 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/12/2016 10:59 AM, Ron Leach wrote:
On 12/05/2016 17:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory.
Would you say that again, Todd? Are you saying that the live spin, if placed on a USB stick, provides a home directory that persists between use on different machines? And that the persistence is achieved by writing the home directory back onto the stick?
Do any changes outside home also persist? Such as in /etc, or even additional useful dnf installs?
Would you like my notes on such?
Does the list permit attachments? I'd be interested in having a look at them. I like the xfce desktop on Fedora for doing quick checks on machines.
regards, Ron
Hi Ron, There are three things I had to wrap my head around with livecd-iso-to-disk:
you must the the EXACT version of Fedora that livecd-iso-to-disk was written for.
you must use the same version of Fedora that the LIVE iso is spun for.
so you have to cut Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso on Fedora 23.
and don't ask me why. The answer I got back was that the uses files from the system it is running and they have to match. The author has told me several time not to use his script on Scientific Linux, but on the exact version of Fedora only.
persistence means "use and lose". You can install programs to the point were the tiny persistence storage fills up, then it is gone. If you erase something from it, you still never get that space back. So you can NEVER reuse the space.
Persistance is covered by the "--overlay-size-mb" flag. And regardless of what anyone says, the maximum size is 4095. This has to do with presistence using some kind of virtual machine based on a vfat partition.
Ah! We also have a "home" directory and that acts like a normal hard drive. You can add and delete. The home directory is covered by the "--home-size-mb" flag. And you can have any size that fits on your stick. Start with a huge size and it will wag the finger at you, letting you know the maximum size.
The following cut on a Kingston DTR3.0G2 16 GB mounted on /dev/sdc. Change to the appropriate dev and make sure you don't wipe something else out by accident with "dd":
Erase the flash drive (or it will reuse the partition structure) # dd bs=4096 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc
Cut the live stick # livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr --delete-home --home-size-mb 8829 --overlay-size-mb 4095 --unencrypted-home Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso /dev/sdc
Hope that helps, -T
Also .... I love those live iso's to install Linux on a computer. They are very well done for that purpose.
But sometimes, I need my cool tools, so I make my own direct install flash drive, which I call my "dead stick". It have all the things I love to test networks, clear Windows passwords, test printers, etc.. I also configure it as two ext4 partitions that I can read and write to directly as a flash drive. (Live USB you can't do that.)
So, I carry both my live stick and my dead stick with me to customer sites.
Two things to ponder on a direct flash drive:
1) you run into trouble if the customer's computer has two hard drives installed, such as a backup drive. I have had to go into grub.conf and create a second line for HD1. And, that second line does not update with a kernel update. (But I never really need to ever update the kernel, just what programs I need.)
2) customer computers can really, really mess up a direct install flash drive. Make a "dd" of the whole drive and you can restore your flash drive back to the way it was when you "dd'ed" it.
-T
On 12/05/2016 18:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/11/2016 02:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hi Todd,
On 10/05/2016 23:16, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
[...]
Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's.
Thanks for sharing, this is really cool to know. Do you also have persistence? Performance-wise what's your feel (of course I imagine it depends a lot on the use case and scenario..)
I'm rather interested about this scenario so it's would be great if you cared to share some more info / experience.
Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo,
As far as I can tell, it is the same. You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory. Would you like my notes on such?
Thanks Todd. Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to have a look :)
Lorenzo.
On 05/13/2016 01:21 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 12/05/2016 18:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/11/2016 02:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hi Todd,
On 10/05/2016 23:16, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
[...]
Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's.
Thanks for sharing, this is really cool to know. Do you also have persistence? Performance-wise what's your feel (of course I imagine it depends a lot on the use case and scenario..)
I'm rather interested about this scenario so it's would be great if you cared to share some more info / experience.
Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo,
As far as I can tell, it is the same. You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory. Would you like my notes on such?
Thanks Todd. Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to have a look :)
Lorenzo.
I got really busy. I will write back in a couple of days.
In the mean time the general commands to create a USB key with persistence can be seen in the wiki here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiveOS_image#Merge_overlay_into_new_image
So if you had an 8 GB USB key and wanted to make a persistant storage space you could do the following:
livecd-iso-to-disk --format --home-size-mb 1024 --overlay-size-mb=1024 --overlay-size-mb=1024 CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-1511.iso /dev/sdb
This would create a disk with a home partition which you can store stuff up to 1GB and an overlay which can handle up to 1GB of changes which after that is full would need to have the Merge ovelary done.
On 13 May 2016 at 12:19, ToddAndMargo ToddAndMargo@zoho.com wrote:
On 05/13/2016 01:21 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 12/05/2016 18:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/11/2016 02:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hi Todd,
On 10/05/2016 23:16, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
[...]
Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's.
Thanks for sharing, this is really cool to know. Do you also have persistence? Performance-wise what's your feel (of course I imagine it depends a lot on the use case and scenario..)
I'm rather interested about this scenario so it's would be great if you cared to share some more info / experience.
Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo,
As far as I can tell, it is the same. You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory. Would you like my notes on such?
Thanks Todd. Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to have a look :)
Lorenzo.
I got really busy. I will write back in a couple of days.
xfce mailing list xfce@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/xfce@lists.fedoraproject.org
On 13/05/16 18:19, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/13/2016 01:21 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 12/05/2016 18:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/11/2016 02:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hi Todd,
On 10/05/2016 23:16, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
[...]
Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's.
Thanks for sharing, this is really cool to know. Do you also have persistence? Performance-wise what's your feel (of course I imagine it depends a lot on the use case and scenario..)
I'm rather interested about this scenario so it's would be great if you cared to share some more info / experience.
Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo,
As far as I can tell, it is the same. You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory. Would you like my notes on such?
Thanks Todd. Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to have a look :)
Lorenzo.
I got really busy. I will write back in a couple of days.
Cool! No hurry here :)
On 05/13/2016 04:58 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 13/05/16 18:19, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/13/2016 01:21 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 12/05/2016 18:36, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/11/2016 02:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hi Todd,
On 10/05/2016 23:16, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
[...]
Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's.
Thanks for sharing, this is really cool to know. Do you also have persistence? Performance-wise what's your feel (of course I imagine it depends a lot on the use case and scenario..)
I'm rather interested about this scenario so it's would be great if you cared to share some more info / experience.
Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo,
As far as I can tell, it is the same. You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory. Would you like my notes on such?
Thanks Todd. Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to have a look :)
Lorenzo.
I got really busy. I will write back in a couple of days.
Cool! No hurry here :)
See my response to Ron :-)
On 15/05/16 05:34, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/13/2016 04:58 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 13/05/16 18:19, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/13/2016 01:21 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
[...]
Thanks Todd. Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to have a look :)
Lorenzo.
I got really busy. I will write back in a couple of days.
Cool! No hurry here :)
See my response to Ron :-)
Great info there! Thanks again for taking the time to share ;) Lorenzo.
On 05/13/2016 01:21 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Thanks Todd. Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to have a look :)
Lorenzo.
See my response to Ron :-)
On 05/09/2016 08:28 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Sunday, May 8, 2016 1:23:51 PM CDT ToddAndMargo wrote:
Hi All,
Any sign of a spine for 24 yet?
-T
you will need to provide more details as wto what you are asking for.
Dennis
Hi Dennis, Typo. I wrote "spine" instead of "spin". :'[
Matthew found it for me.
-T
On Monday, May 9, 2016 10:14:51 AM CDT ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/09/2016 08:28 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Sunday, May 8, 2016 1:23:51 PM CDT ToddAndMargo wrote:
Hi All,
Any sign of a spine for 24 yet?
-T
you will need to provide more details as wto what you are asking for.
Dennis
Hi Dennis, Typo. I wrote "spine" instead of "spin". :'[
Matthew found it for me.
-T
there ia ongoing bug in anaconda that causes random failures in creating the livemedia. It is there some days and not others.
Dennis
On 05/09/2016 10:25 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Monday, May 9, 2016 10:14:51 AM CDT ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 05/09/2016 08:28 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Sunday, May 8, 2016 1:23:51 PM CDT ToddAndMargo wrote:
Hi All,
Any sign of a spine for 24 yet?
-T
you will need to provide more details as wto what you are asking for.
Dennis
Hi Dennis, Typo. I wrote "spine" instead of "spin". :'[
Matthew found it for me.
-T
there ia ongoing bug in anaconda that causes random failures in creating the livemedia. It is there some days and not others.
Dennis
Fedora's official prerelease page (Xfce didn't get in): https://spins.fedoraproject.org/prerelease