On 10/25/2012 07:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Here's the details for the form I'm going to submit. Would appreciate your input, especially on the Highlights. My comments in [brackets].
All in all, I think it looks reasonably decent. I have some comments on some of the descriptions - I think the Overview page on the wiki has a lot of usefulness in terms of description of community/product.
My other note is that - esp. in the "company description" since it's the page about "fedora" the distro - we should probably be more consistent in our references to Fedora vs. the Fedora Project -
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview
Company Description:
The Fedora Project is a worldwide community of people who love, use, and build free software. We want to lead in the creation and spread of free code and content by working together as a community. Fedora is sponsored by Red Hat, the world's most trusted provider of open source technology. Red Hat invests in Fedora to encourage collaboration and incubate innovative new free software technologies.
Maybe... and can we break it up into 2 paragraphs?
The Fedora Project is a worldwide, open partnership of free software contributors and enthusiasts. Our mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community.
The Fedora Project is primarily sponsored by Red Hat, the world's most trusted provider of open source technology. (I'm not quite sold on your last line re: why red hat invests, but can go either way, I'm not too picky)
One thing to consider: Is it worth highlighting more specifically that Fedora is the upstream for RHEL?
Software By:
Fedora Project
Title:
Fedora 17
Version Title:
Fedora 17 (Beefy Miracle) 2012.05.15
[Note: I put the date there because I'd like to leave open the option of updated image spins. Open to suggestions on how best to do this.]
That's fine, though I think it would be good to make clear that it's not something like a "nightly image" kind of thing. We don't have to drill into details on "how we'd do that" right now, I agree it's useful to keep the option open.
Release Notes:
Official Fedora Cloud image.
Description:
Fedora is a Linux-based operating system built on our community's four foundations: freedom, features, friends, and first. The Fedora Cloud image in EC2 provides a functional core on top of which any of tens of thousands of free and open source software packages can be easily added.
/Fedora/is a Linux-based operating system that providesa wide audience of users http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_basewith access to the latestfree and open source software http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, in astable http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA,secure http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Featuresand easy to manage form. The Fedora cloud image in EC2 (blah blah blah, what you have above)
Highlight1:
Free and Open Source: built by a collaborative community using entirely free software.
Highlight2:
Core Image Ready to Build Upon: use yum to add any of tens of thousands of software packages, or drop in your own code.
[Avoid "minimal", because it isn't. Should I use a more precise count of packages?]
Highlight3:
NEED SOMETHING HERE
[Security? Fedora-ness? Values? Highlight some particlar awesomness?]
Support Offered:
FALSE
[This is a boolean. We _do_ offer community support, of course. Should maybe be true?]
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh. That seems misleading, I think to have it as true.
Support Detail:
Community supported. Visit Ask Fedora (http://ask.fedoraproject.org/), or get involved by joining the Fedora Cloud SIG (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG). You can help us make Fedora in the Cloud even more awesome for everyone.
Product Category1:
Operating System
Product Category2:
[blank]
Search Keywords:
open source, free, core
Image URL:
http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#cloud
Resource1 Name & Resource1 URL:
Fedora Project https://fedoraproject.org/
Resource2 Name & Resource2 URL:
Fedora Cloud SIG https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG
Resource3 Name & Resource3 URL:
Source Code http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/17/Fedora/source...
I guess this is more of a technical question: How does the above link accurately represent things if we - as you described above - have different "more updated but still F17" images? Do we think people will be confused / looking for F17 - date/morepreciseversion/etc?
Product Video:
[none]
Usage Instructions:
Connect with SSH. No web services are installed or configured by default. Fedora's EC2 images follow standard EC2 login conventions, meaning that root login is disabled, but sudo access is granted. The default username for the images is ec2-user.
End User License Agreement Text:
[Copied from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement17]
Refund and Cancelation Policy:
Fedora is available free of charge. Normal Amazon Web Services terms apply.
We might include something saying "Normal Amazon Web Services terms and charges" or "terms, including costs for storage and bandwidth/uploading/downloading/whatever" apply.
Also: Since we have a mirror internal to amazon - is that something worth highlighting? Or does the AWS marketplace work differently from regular EC2 (I haven't looked in detail at any differences)
Available in Regions....
True for all.
This is not really true in EC2, I don't think we're doing Fedora in non-us regions, are we? - does AWS marketplace provide wider availability?
Endpoint URL Protocol:
ssh
[hopefully, I can get them to construct a ssh://ec2-user@.... URL]
Upgrade Instructions:
[Blank for now]
Recommended Instance Type:
Standard Large
Is this basically a bulletpoint option, or is there additional text that we could include as to why (ie: standard large - Recommended for common use cases like $unicornbuilding, $bikeshedding, etc)
Available Instnace Types:
All except GPU. (Including Micro)
Pricing:
Zeros.
Security Groups:
tcp, 80, 80, 0.0.0.0/0 tcp, 443, 443, 0.0.0.0/0 tcp, 22, 22, 0.0.0.0/0
[These are defaults for one-click launch]
On 10/25/2012 01:29 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
The Fedora Project is a worldwide, open partnership of free software contributors and enthusiasts. Our mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community.
The Fedora Project is primarily sponsored by Red Hat, the world's most trusted provider of open source technology. (I'm not quite sold on your last line re: why red hat invests, but can go either way, I'm not too picky) One thing to consider: Is it worth highlighting more specifically that Fedora is the upstream for RHEL?
How about something liked
The Fedora Project is a worldwide, open partnership of free software contributors and enthusiasts. Our mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community. Red Hat sponsors the Fedora Project, which creates Fedora, the upstream Linux distribution to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
(distribution to or distribution for?)
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:29:05AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
My other note is that - esp. in the "company description" since it's the page about "fedora" the distro - we should probably be more consistent in our references to Fedora vs. the Fedora Project -
FWIW, I lifted that part from http://fedoraproject.org/en/about-fedora, with very minor wording tweaks. I like your "Our mission is..." wording better.
The Fedora Project is a worldwide, open partnership of free software contributors and enthusiasts. Our mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community.
The Fedora Project is primarily sponsored by Red Hat, the world's most trusted provider of open source technology. (I'm not quite sold on your last line re: why red hat invests, but can go either way, I'm not too picky)
Again lifted from about-fedora. I'm not sure how exactly relevant it is anyway.
One thing to consider: Is it worth highlighting more specifically that Fedora is the upstream for RHEL?
"Fedora is the foundation for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, a powerful enterprise OS.", says http://fedoraproject.org/en/features/.
If we say this at all, I'd like to stress that it's not just a preview, but a place for collaboration and innovation which feeds into RHEL. Although we kick the term around a lot, "upstream" might not mean much to non-distro people.
Fedora is the foundation for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and Red Hat sponsors the Fedora Project to encourage collaboration and incubate innovative new free software technologies.
?
Fedora 17 (Beefy Miracle) 2012.05.15 [Note: I put the date there because I'd like to leave open the option of updated image spins. Open to suggestions on how best to do this.]
That's fine, though I think it would be good to make clear that it's not something like a "nightly image" kind of thing. We don't have to drill into details on "how we'd do that" right now, I agree it's useful to keep the option open.
Fedora 17 (Beefy Miracle) 2012.05
with no day. If we happen to do more than one update a month (I hope not) we can add it for that time only.
Description:
Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that provides a wide audience of users http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base with access to the latestfree and open source software http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, in a stable http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA, secure http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features and easy to manage form. The Fedora cloud image in EC2 (blah blah blah, what you have above)
Not sure we can have hyperlinks here. Without it, that'd be:
Fedora is a Linux-based operating system which provides a wide audience of users with access to the latest free and open source software in a stable, secure, and easy to manage form. The Fedora Cloud image in EC2 provides a functional core on top of which any of tens of thousands of free and open source software packages can be easily added.
How's that sound? (I'll check about the links.)
Support Offered: FALSE [This is a boolean. We _do_ offer community support, of course. Should maybe be true?]
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh. That seems misleading, I think to have it as true.
Done.
Source Code http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/17/Fedora/source...
I guess this is more of a technical question: How does the above link accurately represent things if we - as you described above - have different "more updated but still F17" images? Do we think people will be confused / looking for F17 - date/morepreciseversion/etc?
Good question. If we do that, we should probably provide a cloud sig wiki page describing the updated image, and _that_ could link to the appropriate source tree.
Fedora is available free of charge. Normal Amazon Web Services terms apply.
We might include something saying "Normal Amazon Web Services terms and charges" or "terms, including costs for storage and bandwidth/uploading/downloading/whatever" apply.
Fedora is available free of charge. Normal Amazon Web Services terms and charges apply.
Also: Since we have a mirror internal to amazon - is that something worth highlighting? Or does the AWS marketplace work differently from regular EC2 (I haven't looked in detail at any differences)
Works the same once it's installed, so this is a good idea. Maybe tack it on to the end of the description above -- "...software packages can be easily added from an Amazon-internal mirror with no extra bandwidth costs." Or something.
Available in Regions.... True for all.
This is not really true in EC2, I don't think we're doing Fedora in non-us regions, are we? - does AWS marketplace provide wider availability?
Yes, we currently are.
In any case, this particular set of fields is instructive rather than descriptive -- they will copy it to whichever regions we say yes to. (This is somewhat different from the current approach, where we upload a different AMI to each region. Another thing for me to check: do they end up with the same AMI ID in each region if we do it this way?)
Recommended Instance Type: Standard Large
Is this basically a bulletpoint option, or is there additional text that we could include as to why (ie: standard large - Recommended for common use cases like $unicornbuilding, $bikeshedding, etc)
One choice. And it's what you'll get with one click deployment. I pulled *this* particular choice out of my bikeshed. Standard Medium would be my second choice.
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