On Sun, Jun 25, 2017, at 07:54 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I get the point of the reg fee, just decide funding first and put a
deadline in reg fee. Dont count registrants who have an unpaid fee in counts for things.
This is the process we are following.
regards,
bex
~m
On June 24, 2017 12:09:44 PM EDT, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge(a)gmail.com>
wrote:>> On 23 June 2017 at 21:42, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
> >>> Oh and my reason for starting this thtead is bc i dont think we should
ask
>> >>> for reg fee until funding is decided. It would simplify and lessen
confusion
>> >>> imho.
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>> ~m
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> I don't think there is a way we can please everyone here. The reason
> >> for asking the fee was to get the N% of declared attendees who don't
> >> show up to not sign up. This was an expensive throw-away funding on
> >> food, t-shirts, and other bookings that could have been spent on
> >> getting people who needed funding there. However the opposite is also
> >> true, there are some M% of people who are not going to sign up because
> >> they needed funding in the first place.
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> That said, we should not put too much correlation and causation into
> >> people attending this year. There are multiple reasons bookings are
> >> down for this and many other shows:
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> 1. People from outside the US are less likely to travel to the US currently. *
> >> 2. People inside the US are less likely to travel this year it would seem.*
> >> 3. While we are getting great rates, they aren't the 'normal'
fudcon
> >> or local LUG rates various people may be looking at. Even with funding
> >> promised that may be more than people want to take on.
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> Add onto that we want this to be a do-er event and many people go to
> >> shows to listen to talks versus doing stuff. They may not feel they
> >> can do stuff or that there is anything they want to do do when they
> >> get there. Many others are going to look at what is going to be done
> >> and then decide whether they want to go. Which would happen whether or
> >> not there was a payment at the front.
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> * From reading about other tech events, they are seeing around a 50%
> >> drop of outside of the US currently and they are seeing a drop 20-30%
> >> drop of inside the US.
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>> On June 23, 2017 9:39:54 PM EDT, "Máirín Duffy"
<duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
>> >>> wrote:
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>>> There's also:
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>>> 3) i *really* want to come to flock but i cannot afford it on my own (US
>>> >>>> is expensive, visas are expensive, maybe they are a student
or unemployed or
>>> >>>> otherwise not of means) so i need funding help and part of
the reason im
>>> >>>> proposing a talk is to better my funding chances but if i
dont get funding i
>>> >>>> cant go and i dont want to pay for reg when i cant even go
>>>
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>>> I think #3 is like 80% of the cases here at the least.
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>>> Making people pay to register for something theyre not able to go to seems
>>> >>>> scammy to me.
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>>> ~m
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>>> On June 23, 2017 12:24:58 PM EDT, Josh Boyer
<jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org>
>>> >>>> wrote:
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>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Matthew Miller
>>>>
>>>> <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 04:57:01PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many speakers (~20) did not register for Flock when submitting
their
>>>>>> >>>>>>> proposals. They didn't want to
register because they weren't going
>>>>>> >>>>>>> to come unless their proposal was
accepted.
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>>>>> Maybe this is harsh, but my first reaction is that people who
aren't
>>>>> >>>>>> interested in coming if their session
proposal isn't accepted have the
>>>>> >>>>>> wrong motiviation for Flock anyway. I
think we solve this simply by
>>>>> >>>>>> requiring registration to submit.
>>>>>
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>>>> There are two main cases:
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>>>> 1) I want to attend Flock, but I cannot get my employer/sponsor to
>>>> >>>>> fund it if I do not get a talk accepted
>>>>
>>>> 2) I want to attend Flock to present about $my_thing but that's
about it
>>>> >>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can message to death about not needing to be accepted to be part
>>>> >>>>> of Flock in the case of 1, but that's a really
hard concept for
>>>> >>>>> employers to get their head around. It comes off
as "yeah, send your
>>>> >>>>> people to Flock because we want more
attendees!", which makes it no
>>>> >>>>> different than any other conference that just wants
people. If you
>>>> >>>>> add an explicit *invite* system for people needed
and why they are
>>>> >>>>> needed, that helps. But I suspect you'll have
a lot of people not
>>>> >>>>> registering until they get their talk submitted
because of that
>>>> >>>>> reason.
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>>>>
>>>> The second case is probably more in line with your reaction. I'm
sure
>>>> >>>>> there are people that fall somewhere in between
those two though.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>>
>>>> josh
>>>>
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