On 25.7.2012 15:26, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote:
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> From: "Jaromír Coufal" <jcoufal(a)redhat.com>
> To: "aeolus-devel" <aeolus-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:34:21 AM
> Subject: Re: RFC: Adding Useful reports and Statistical Data
>
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> Hi,
>
> without any doubts statistical data are valuable and it is really
> good to have that in our system. But as Jirka mentioned, we need to
> be careful about main purpose of administration section. Right now,
> statistics are preventing us from main point of administrators - as
> for providers it is their and account management.
>
> In current state, imagine that you are administrators and you want to
> add account. How will you do that? It looks like very simple step.
> Very likely you will go to Administrator section, to Cloud Providers
> and then? No edit, no options, just statistical data which you are
> not interested in because you want to add account which is your
> current task as an administrator. And it will take some time, when
> you realize that you need to click on specific provider in
> statistical list in order to edit his accounts.
>
> To be honest, right now with statistical data we are implementing new
> function, new views, but in the first line we need to revise current
> workflows in order to do such big change in UI structure as Min is
> suggesting. I just want to prevent doing things twice. There is lot
> of work to do in main stream of the application and in my opinion,
> spending time on having statistical data perfect is secondary output
> right now.
>
> Idea with keeping statistics in tabs is good and I like it. I suggest
> temporarily place statistical data as one of the tabs (not the first
> one) and after revising structure we will see where to place them
> and how to display them. In a short time I will start working on fix
> of providers section to release 1.1.
>
> Jarda
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Hi,
I guess this is one area where I fundamentally disagree. Our UI is full of examples
where entities are kept in lists, and the expectation is that the user/admin clicks on the
name in order to edit. The only difference between that and the providers index page is
that the latter also happens to provide statistics. Adding an [edit] link or icon to all
of these lists would make more sense to me.
Well, it is ok to go to detail through
list (or item name in this list).
But in this case it is statistical list and it has different purpose.
You have some historical data there. And from the very first look for me
it doesn't look like list of all providers (even it can be), because I
expect that it is somehow filtered.
The other area where I disagree is this: in the long-run, I think
that the administration section *will* be more about the statistics and reports, rather
than adding/editing entities. I think that the former is more likely to be needed for
day-to-day operations.
The question is about personas use-cases. Will be the
administrator the
one who is responsible for watching statistics? Or is it someone else
who is responsible for that? I suppose that it won't be administrator,
but I don't know, I might be wrong in this.
My thoughts were heading this way (just very first ideas):
* have very separate tab "Statistics" (on the same level as Users,
Settings,...) and keep all detailed statistics there
* have sub-tab statistics in each section (on the same level as
Connectivity, Accounts,... at Provider). We can also let user to "pin"
specific page as his homepage (so he can start with statistics or index
page or ...)
Thanks,
Tzu-Mainn Chen
Jarda