I saw there was a proposed talk on this for Flock, so I went to see what it was. (See https://flock-lmacken.rhcloud.com/proposals#3.) I'm in the middle of the NELF conference right now, but I thought I'd throw this out as maybe something to integrate into the Glorious Future Community Collaboration Hub.
On 04/05/2014 01:43 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
I saw there was a proposed talk on this for Flock, so I went to see what it was. (See https://flock-lmacken.rhcloud.com/proposals#3.) I'm in the middle of the NELF conference right now, but I thought I'd throw this out as maybe something to integrate into the Glorious Future Community Collaboration Hub.
Oooooooooooooh!!!!! Great idea! Getting up and running on IRC has been a barrier for some new contributors, particularly in the design space. This would be really nice!
~m
It's great to see that there is a system that will allow for offline idling and it's bells and whistles, however there is the major hurdle of the #fedora channels require users to have registered nicks. Perhaps a support channel can be established for non-registered users?
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.orgwrote:
On 04/05/2014 01:43 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
I saw there was a proposed talk on this for Flock, so I went to see what it was. (See https://flock-lmacken.rhcloud.com/proposals#3.) I'm in the middle of the NELF conference right now, but I thought I'd throw this out as maybe something to integrate into the Glorious Future Community Collaboration Hub.
Oooooooooooooh!!!!! Great idea! Getting up and running on IRC has been a barrier for some new contributors, particularly in the design space. This would be really nice!
~m
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On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 08:17:19AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I saw there was a proposed talk on this for Flock, so I went to see what it was. (See https://flock-lmacken.rhcloud.com/proposals#3.) I'm in the middle of the NELF conference right now, but I thought I'd throw this out as maybe something to integrate into the Glorious Future Community Collaboration Hub.
Oooooooooooooh!!!!! Great idea! Getting up and running on IRC has been a barrier for some new contributors, particularly in the design space. This would be really nice!
I convinced prospective Flock speaker Ratnadeep Debnath to join this mailing list for further discussion. Hello, Ratnadeep!
Hi all,
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 08:17:19AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I saw there was a proposed talk on this for Flock, so I went to see what it was. (See https://flock-lmacken.rhcloud.com/proposals#3.) I'm in the middle of the NELF conference right now, but I thought I'd throw this out as maybe something to integrate into the Glorious Future Community Collaboration Hub.
Oooooooooooooh!!!!! Great idea! Getting up and running on IRC has been a barrier for some new contributors, particularly in the design space. This would be really nice!
I convinced prospective Flock speaker Ratnadeep Debnath to join this mailing list for further discussion. Hello, Ratnadeep!
Thanks Matthew for inviting me to this list :)
Waartaa is an Indic term and it means "to communicate". And that's what Waartaa is aimed for. Currently, Waartaa is an open source web IRC client as a service only. However, in the future, we want it to be a one stop open source solution for communication and collaboration (Text (IRC), audio, video). With Waartaa, we want to implement a communication tool with zero learning curve (unlike current IRC).
We started working on Waartaa to solve some of our (as well as general) pain points with IRC communication. And yes, we are kind of inspired by Hipchat. One of our main focus is UI. Waartaa has to be beautiful and intuitive.
Currently Waartaa implements: - 24x7 idling - Mail notifications (when user is not online) - Centralized logging - Unique identity (no matter where you login from, you are always you, and not you_, you__)
We have had quite some discussion on the roadmap for Waartaa. Following are the key items in our roadmap: - Build a search framework to go through IRC chat log history. - Allow users to bookmark a chat log or a set of chat logs. - Chat log permalinks will power in app notifications and mail notifications. - Reply to mentions via mail (similar to Github issues, Zendesk mail notifications) - HTML5 Mobile UI - Audio/video chat powered by WebRTC - Dashboard/wizard to help users discover IRC channels for various communities - URLs for IRC channels - Improve UI
The roadmap looks quite daunting and we are too puny to do this on our own. However, with the help of the community, we believe that we can make Waartaa an awesome tool for communication and collaboration in the open source world.
Please share your feedback on Waartaa and help make it better and awesome.
Regards, rtnpro
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 02:41:52AM +0530, Ratnadeep Debnath wrote:
Oooooooooooooh!!!!! Great idea! Getting up and running on IRC has been a barrier for some new contributors, particularly in the design space. This would be really nice!
I convinced prospective Flock speaker Ratnadeep Debnath to join this mailing list for further discussion. Hello, Ratnadeep!
Thanks Matthew for inviting me to this list :)
Yes -- and thanks for the overview. What do you think about how this fits into http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2014/04/01/a-proposal-for-fedoras-website-consider... ?
I'd love for the Flock talk to be not just an overview, but a presentation of how it fits into our new web site. :)
Hi all,
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 02:41:52AM +0530, Ratnadeep Debnath wrote:
Oooooooooooooh!!!!! Great idea! Getting up and running on IRC has been a barrier for some new contributors, particularly in the design space. This would be really nice!
I convinced prospective Flock speaker Ratnadeep Debnath to join this mailing list for further discussion. Hello, Ratnadeep!
Thanks Matthew for inviting me to this list :)
Yes -- and thanks for the overview. What do you think about how this fits into http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2014/04/01/a-proposal-for-fedoras-website-consider... ?
I'd love for the Flock talk to be not just an overview, but a presentation of how it fits into our new web site. :)
Yes, of course, it will be more than just an overview :).
I and Sayan[1] have been brainstorming on building features which can fit to the requirements of open source communities for quite some time now. Some interesting ideas also came up when we were discussing with students who have applied to Waartaa for GSoC 2014. Assuming that we have waartaa running for Fedora at irc.fedoraproject.org, let me elaborate the ideas we have so far come up with, which will be useful for the Fedora Next project.
[EasyStart] Permalink to IRC channels ============================
Permalinks to IRC channels, say, irc.fedoraproject.org/chat/server/Freenode/channel/fedora in a project pages will make it no brainer for a new user to join an IRC channel and start communicating.
[Intuitive and easy] UI endpoints for 80-90% for IRC functionalities ===============================================
We try to expose as many IRC functions as possible to the UI along with command options for advanced users. That said, we'll also have in page docs to help users learn various IRC commands and concepts. Something like Mozilla's GCLI[2] tool can be used to implement in page docs.
[EasyStart] Wizard for (first time) users =============================
Whenever a user joins irc.fedoraproject.org (powered by Waartaa), the user can be shown a wizard (inspired by http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/) to dovetail the user to join proper channels without bombarding with info (bunch of server names, channel names, etc.). May be we can show the groups listed at "Join Fedora" page[3] and then the channels specific to each group under them.
[Administration] Managing channel logs archives and minutes of meetings =====================================================
We'll be working on to build an extensive channel chat log search framework this summer, either as part of GSoC or ourselves. This will come very handy to archive channel logs in a way that it can be queried. Also, we could integrate zodbot with Waartaa so that we can store and browse through meeting logs in a better way, unlike the current meetbot log page[4] for Fedora. Our log search framework would help to query through the meeting logs very easily.
Beautiful and intuitive ===============
One of the prime focus of Waartaa is to create a beautiful and intuitive open source communication tool at par with or better than the proprietary communication tools. I believ that Máirín can help Waartaa in this regard :)
I believe, the above ideas, if implemented properly, will make community communication over IRC lot more fun and memorable :)
Please share your ideas and feedback on how to make Waartaa better so that it could be of use to Fedora Next and the community in general.
[1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sayanchowdhury [2]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/GCLI [3]: http://fedoraproject.org/en/join-fedora [4]: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/
Regards, rtnpro
This idea goes sound good, however, Waartaa seems to be buggy (right now). I gave it a shot, but it wouldn't parse chat correctly, it had trouble displaying messages from others. Sounds like a good idea, though.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 02:41:52AM +0530, Ratnadeep Debnath wrote:
Oooooooooooooh!!!!! Great idea! Getting up and running on IRC has been a barrier for some new contributors, particularly in the design space. This would be really nice!
I convinced prospective Flock speaker Ratnadeep Debnath to join this mailing list for further discussion. Hello, Ratnadeep!
Thanks Matthew for inviting me to this list :)
Yes -- and thanks for the overview. What do you think about how this fits into http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2014/04/01/a-proposal-for-fedoras-website-consider... ?
I'd love for the Flock talk to be not just an overview, but a presentation of how it fits into our new web site. :)
Yes, of course, it will be more than just an overview :).
I and Sayan[1] have been brainstorming on building features which can fit to the requirements of open source communities for quite some time now. Some interesting ideas also came up when we were discussing with students who have applied to Waartaa for GSoC 2014. Assuming that we have waartaa running for Fedora at irc.fedoraproject.org, let me elaborate the ideas we have so far come up with, which will be useful for the Fedora Next project.
[EasyStart] Permalink to IRC channels
Permalinks to IRC channels, say, irc.fedoraproject.org/chat/server/Freenode/channel/fedora in a project pages will make it no brainer for a new user to join an IRC channel and start communicating.
[Intuitive and easy] UI endpoints for 80-90% for IRC functionalities
We try to expose as many IRC functions as possible to the UI along with command options for advanced users. That said, we'll also have in page docs to help users learn various IRC commands and concepts. Something like Mozilla's GCLI[2] tool can be used to implement in page docs.
[EasyStart] Wizard for (first time) users
Whenever a user joins irc.fedoraproject.org (powered by Waartaa), the user can be shown a wizard (inspired by http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/) to dovetail the user to join proper channels without bombarding with info (bunch of server names, channel names, etc.). May be we can show the groups listed at "Join Fedora" page[3] and then the channels specific to each group under them.
[Administration] Managing channel logs archives and minutes of meetings
We'll be working on to build an extensive channel chat log search framework this summer, either as part of GSoC or ourselves. This will come very handy to archive channel logs in a way that it can be queried. Also, we could integrate zodbot with Waartaa so that we can store and browse through meeting logs in a better way, unlike the current meetbot log page[4] for Fedora. Our log search framework would help to query through the meeting logs very easily.
Beautiful and intuitive
One of the prime focus of Waartaa is to create a beautiful and intuitive open source communication tool at par with or better than the proprietary communication tools. I believ that Máirín can help Waartaa in this regard :)
I believe, the above ideas, if implemented properly, will make community communication over IRC lot more fun and memorable :)
Please share your ideas and feedback on how to make Waartaa better so that it could be of use to Fedora Next and the community in general.
Regards, rtnpro -- Ratnadeep Debnath, https://www.waartaa.com GPG Fingerprint: 033C 8041 A0E9 CDBA 2E02 B785 2119 5486 F245 DFD6 -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Hi Chaoyi,
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:05 AM, Chaoyi Zha cydrobolt@fedoraproject.org wrote:
This idea goes sound good, however, Waartaa seems to be buggy (right now). I gave it a shot, but it wouldn't parse chat correctly, it had trouble displaying messages from others. Sounds like a good idea, though.
I'm glad that you like the idea of Waartaa. Waartaa is work in progress and there's a couple of bugs. The issue that you faced with the hosted instance of Waartaa is due to the database getting choked up with increased number of chat logs. We are looking into this issue and will fix it as soon as possible.
Thanks for taking a look at Waartaa.
I believe that Waartaa is a cool idea and worth implementing. It'd be great to have more contributors to the project to speed up it's development :)
Regards, rtnpro
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