On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 16:02 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Felix!
On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 07:33 +0200, Felix Kaechele wrote:
I have some questions about the way the regions are split up on the page. Why not keep the groups of countries (continents) in the structure that we regularily use when talking about Ambassador regions? That being APAC, EMEA, LATAM, NA. For example in your mockup Europe and Africa & Middle East are seperate. The americas comprise of NA and LATAM. I do understand that splitting them up by continent makes sense too, but it would be more coherent with our existing structures IMO.
That's a really great idea. I did the continent split bceause I thought it might be the least-controversial way to do it, but I think splitting out by ambassador region makes more sense. Although it means the NA section is going to be *very* sparse, hehe. Splitting by continents, each section is individually a bit beefier than the Ambassador region split. But I think the consistency of splitting by Ambassador region is more valuable so I'll modify the mockup to employ that scheme!
Here's some static HTML mockups using the scheme Felix suggested:
http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoracommunity.org/html/16Aug2010/
What do you think? Does it work? North America looks a little weird... how do you think it should be handled, or do you think it's fine?
Also do you notice any missing countries? India doesn't seem to have a site? :(
~m
2010/8/17 Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 16:02 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Felix!
On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 07:33 +0200, Felix Kaechele wrote:
I have some questions about the way the regions are split up on the
page.
Why not keep the groups of countries (continents) in the structure that we regularily use when talking about Ambassador regions? That being APAC, EMEA, LATAM, NA. For example in your mockup Europe and Africa & Middle East are
seperate.
The americas comprise of NA and LATAM. I do understand that splitting them up by continent makes sense too,
but
it would be more coherent with our existing structures IMO.
That's a really great idea. I did the continent split bceause I thought it might be the least-controversial way to do it, but I think splitting out by ambassador region makes more sense. Although it means the NA section is going to be *very* sparse, hehe. Splitting by continents, each section is individually a bit beefier than the Ambassador region split. But I think the consistency of splitting by Ambassador region is more valuable so I'll modify the mockup to employ that scheme!
Here's some static HTML mockups using the scheme Felix suggested:
http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoracommunity.org/html/16Aug2010/
What do you think? Does it work? North America looks a little weird... how do you think it should be handled, or do you think it's fine?
Also do you notice any missing countries? India doesn't seem to have a site? :(
Bangladesh don't a have site too, is it possible do a mockup as well for the http://bd.fedoracommunity.org too or what?
regards mak_ Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh.
~m
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From: Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org Sent: Tue, 17 August, 2010 18:23:48 Subject: What do you think? (was Re: [Ambassadors] fedoracommunity.org portal design)
Here's some static HTML mockups using the scheme Felix suggested:
http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoracommunity.org/html/16Aug2010/
What do you think? Does it work? North America looks a little weird... how do you think it should be handled, or do you think it's fine?
Also do you notice any missing countries? India doesn't seem to have a site? :(
Great to see this progressing and still love the design.
It is pretty amazing so many people across the world have taken the time to develop their own Fedora regional websites and the earlier single page design gave me that impression. So a single directory page of regional websites which can only grow and further impress people with the widespread adoption and interest in Fedora across the planet is one way to go. I don't think people have too much problem navigating a clearly signposted directory page, even if it is long.
On the other hand there is a strong relationship between the Latin America Ambassador Region and the region specific websites, with a lot of the sites being under the proyectofedora.org domain. Maybe this should serve as the model page and a bit of a rethink goes on about the other ambassador regions because it's a nice idea to integrate the Fedora Ambassador regions into the organisation of the regional sites. It seems a bit odd though to have one site on the North America page. Also this is currently fedoraproject.org so not even sure they have their own site. Unless North America is going to rapidly expand with the number of regional sites, such as individual States in the USA, then I think the Ambassador regions could just have their own page. This can be the same design as the regional site directory, but serve a different set of contact information.
In terms of usability I would suggest the whole area for each item in the region navigation menu becomes clickable. Although the hover effect is nice, it is confusing as it does not lead to navigation, only by clicking on the words does anything happen and this is a much smaller area compared to the hover area. It would be unfortunate for people to leave the page because they thought the navigation didn't work. This is probably on the to do list, but if not I think it is an important usability issue.
So in short: Get all the ambassador regions to be like Latin America :-) or go for a long regional site directory page with Ambassador regions on a separate page with similar design.
Those are my thoughts, hope they help in some way,
Al
2010/8/17 Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org:
Here's some static HTML mockups using the scheme Felix suggested:
http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoracommunity.org/html/16Aug2010/
What do you think? Does it work?
I really like the design and hope it gets deployed soonish.
Just one remark: regional teams may have more than one resource to promote. For instance, we have language specific irc channels and mailing lists: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicating_and_getting_help#Regional_Resou... and I'm pretty sure there are more on identi.ca, twitter, twitter, facebook., etc
So, I'd suggest we move this kind of content in the wiki, possibly creating a new "Regional" category and/or subproject for helping regional teams ( ReTe ?) resources to be more discoverable, and make the links from the new fedoracommunity pages to the each ReTe's page in the wiki
What do you think?
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Gianluca Sforna giallu@gmail.com wrote:
2010/8/17 Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org:
Here's some static HTML mockups using the scheme Felix suggested:
http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoracommunity.org/html/16Aug2010/
What do you think? Does it work?
I really like the design and hope it gets deployed soonish.
Just one remark: regional teams may have more than one resource to promote. For instance, we have language specific irc channels and mailing lists: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicating_and_getting_help#Regional_Resou... and I'm pretty sure there are more on identi.ca, twitter, twitter, facebook., etc
So, I'd suggest we move this kind of content in the wiki, possibly creating a new "Regional" category and/or subproject for helping regional teams ( ReTe ?) resources to be more discoverable, and make the links from the new fedoracommunity pages to the each ReTe's page in the wiki
What do you think?
-- Gianluca Sforna
http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna
Gianluca,
I looked at staged website[1], and each region page has a "Region-wide Resources" section and that points to the region's wiki page, for example EMEA[2]. Maybe from that region's wiki page it could go into further details as you described.
Sijis
[1] - http://stg.fedoracommunity.org [2] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Sijis Aviles sijis@fedoraproject.org wrote:
I looked at staged website[1], and each region page has a "Region-wide Resources" section and that points to the region's wiki page, for example EMEA[2]. Maybe from that region's wiki page it could go into further details as you described.
Right. But that is way harder to find out which other regional resources are available apart for the single one listed in the main page.
Let's compare the experience about finding my Fedora Regional Team resources with our friends at Ubuntu.com.
Ubuntu: 1. go to ubuntu.com 2. click on "Community" 3. scroll and click on "Local Ubuntu Teams" (goes to wiki) 4. Find Italy and follow the links to site, mailing list, wiki, forum, etc...
Fedora (now) 1. go to fedoraproject.org 2. not sure how obvious is this, I click Communicate 3. click "Community Websites" (goes to a section", the again on "Community Websites" link 4. click on "International" 5. Find Italy, 4 sites listed only one actually a community site, no mention or links to other kind of resources.
Fedora (redesigned) 1. go to fedoraproject.org 2. click on "Community" I guess this will link to fedoracommunity.org) 3. Select the region 4. find Italy, only one website listed 5. figure you need to click on the EMEA link (goes to wiki) 6. find Italy and follow the links to site, mailing list, wiki, forum, etc.
I still think making a shortcut from 4 to 6 in this last list is a better solution, easier to figure out.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Gianluca Sforna giallu@gmail.com wrote:
I still think making a shortcut from 4 to 6 in this last list is a better solution, easier to figure out.
And not the least, easier to maintain, since the majority of changes in content will happen in the wiki
Hi Gianluca!
Thanks for this discussion :)
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 11:32 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
Fedora (redesigned)
- go to fedoraproject.org
- click on "Community" I guess this will link to fedoracommunity.org)
It will, but not directly. There will probably be a banner ad or something like that on the www.fpo/community page to drive traffic to fedoracommunity.org.
- Select the region
- find Italy, only one website listed
Are there more Italian websites we should be linking to? I used the following wiki page to populate the site:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/International
I tested every website on that page. You'll note two of the four websites there are not functional as clearly noted. Since I went through that wiki page it looks like this site has been added, should I added it to Fedoracommunity.org?
http://www.adamantio.net/modules.php?name=News&file=topics&topic=47
I've already posted a couple of calls for help on the ambassadors list - for folks to go over the site and let us know if we were missing anything - and of course we are still open to more suggestions!!
- figure you need to click on the EMEA link (goes to wiki)
- find Italy and follow the links to site, mailing list, wiki, forum, etc.
I don't understand your steps 5 & 6 above. There are general region-wide resources at the top of the EMEA page. As far as I know there is NO mailing list / wiki / forum for Italy. If there is, can you please let me know? I'll be more than happy to add them.
~m
2010/8/27 Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org:
Thanks for this discussion :)
And thank you for picking it up :)
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 11:32 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
Fedora (redesigned)
- go to fedoraproject.org
- click on "Community" I guess this will link to fedoracommunity.org)
It will, but not directly. There will probably be a banner ad or something like that on the www.fpo/community page to drive traffic to fedoracommunity.org.
OK. then it's one more click to find regional resources
- Select the region
- find Italy, only one website listed
Are there more Italian websites we should be linking to? I used the following wiki page to populate the site:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/International
I tested every website on that page. You'll note two of the four websites there are not functional as clearly noted.
Yeah I noted that work and I wondered if it was you... Then please take into account the additional data (not just for Italy) from:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicating_and_getting_help#Regional_Resou...
we have several regional specific IRC channels and mailing lists.
I'm not sure if there are more, if you think this is useful I can check IRC channel listing and mailman pages to see if there are more.
Since I went through that wiki page it looks like this site has been added, should I added it to Fedoracommunity.org?
http://www.adamantio.net/modules.php?name=News&file=topics&topic=47
Content does not look very current there, for now I'd leave it out.
I've already posted a couple of calls for help on the ambassadors list - for folks to go over the site and let us know if we were missing anything - and of course we are still open to more suggestions!!
Yeah, sorry for lurking for so long... In return for your kindness, I'll volunteer to help building the regional wiki pages hierarchy in case we agree that's an useful thing to have.
- figure you need to click on the EMEA link (goes to wiki)
- find Italy and follow the links to site, mailing list, wiki, forum, etc.
I don't understand your steps 5 & 6 above. There are general region-wide resources at the top of the EMEA page.
Point 5 refers to clicking on the general, region wide link Sijis suggested as well. Point 6 assumes we already added to that landing wiki page the data related to each regional team.
As far as I know there is NO mailing list / wiki / forum for Italy. If there is, can you please let me know? I'll be more than happy to add them.
In the page linked above we have references to IRC and mailing list.
The team had a lengthy discussion about building a wiki and a forum (we have secured fedoraproject.it). About the first one I'm pushing to keep using fpo one, for the second the fedoraonline guys are already doing a good job, but I'm interested in attempting to build the mailing list -> forum like interface based on drupal you blogged about some time ago in a effort to bridge the more experienced audience with new users.
Since nothing of this is online, I think we can just talk about it later.
Thank you very much for your great work
G.
I re-pick up this discussion cause I think that a little changes in the wiki could help all the new Fedora users finding the right support. As all of you know the wiki is available in english, french, italian, spanish, german, russian, danish ecc..14 languages. Now, for this 14 languages, which are the most used I think, couldn't it be possible changing the information on the right of the wiki-homepage "Links of interests"? The new users would appreciate and don't have to search 5-6-7 clicks to find the local community page in their language or the ML, the IRC channel or other support in the choosen language. Instead of listing all the international pages, let's link only the support in the choosen language (if I'm italian I'm not interested in the japanese IRC channel); I think also that the most used english support channels and sites should be listed as now. In this way you can give more visibility to the local support channels like ML or IRC and can also promote the fedoracommunity sites. This would also contribute to enforce a collaboration between ML/IRC channels and community sites. On the other side the Fedora users which come on teh wiki of fedoraproject.org, will find support and information within a few seconds.
I hope we could deepen this discussion in the next days. Robert
Il giorno ven, 27/08/2010 alle 10.12 -0400, Máirín Duffy ha scritto:
Hi Gianluca!
Thanks for this discussion :)
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 11:32 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
Fedora (redesigned)
- go to fedoraproject.org
- click on "Community" I guess this will link to fedoracommunity.org)
It will, but not directly. There will probably be a banner ad or something like that on the www.fpo/community page to drive traffic to fedoracommunity.org.
- Select the region
- find Italy, only one website listed
Are there more Italian websites we should be linking to? I used the following wiki page to populate the site:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/International
I tested every website on that page. You'll note two of the four websites there are not functional as clearly noted. Since I went through that wiki page it looks like this site has been added, should I added it to Fedoracommunity.org?
http://www.adamantio.net/modules.php?name=News&file=topics&topic=47
I've already posted a couple of calls for help on the ambassadors list - for folks to go over the site and let us know if we were missing anything - and of course we are still open to more suggestions!!
- figure you need to click on the EMEA link (goes to wiki)
- find Italy and follow the links to site, mailing list, wiki, forum, etc.
I don't understand your steps 5 & 6 above. There are general region-wide resources at the top of the EMEA page. As far as I know there is NO mailing list / wiki / forum for Italy. If there is, can you please let me know? I'll be more than happy to add them.
~m
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