Hi all!
Can I set up evolution to use a yahoo account ?
Thank you, Alex.
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On Sunday 04 February 2007 12:03, Alex Miua wrote:
Hi all!
Can I set up evolution to use a yahoo account ?
Thank you, Alex.
yes if you pay extra for POP access, I think the free version is web-only
dave
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On 2/4/07, Alex Miua amateur_radio_2007@yahoo.com wrote:
Can I set up evolution to use a yahoo account ?
I have no experience of it, but the following should enable you to do what you want:
On 2/4/07, Alex Miua amateur_radio_2007@yahoo.com wrote:
Can I set up evolution to use a yahoo account ?
As was already mentioned, only with the paid version of yahoo mail. You can do this however with the free version of gmail; I switched for this exact reason.
Daniel
On February 4, 2007, parishd wrote:
As was already mentioned, only with the paid version of yahoo mail. You can do this however with the free version of gmail; I switched for this exact reason.
Daniel
How did you get that to work?
I have pop.googlemail.com, port 995, use ssl and similar for smtp, like the help says, but I can send, but not receive. Well, sort of...
When I send an email, it goes to gmail account, but I can't retrieve it. I log in to gmail, verify that pop is on (tried both options, from now on and all mail, including mail already sent). Then I try to retrieve the email and it arrives. I send another, and same story. Won't download. I log in again, verify pop settings, the mail comes, but the next one won't ad infinitum.
How do you get it to work?
On Sunday 04 February 2007 18:11, Gueckel, P. wrote:
On February 4, 2007, parishd wrote:
As was already mentioned, only with the paid version of yahoo mail. You can do this however with the free version of gmail; I switched for this exact reason.
Daniel
How did you get that to work?
I have pop.googlemail.com, port 995, use ssl and similar for smtp, like the help says, but I can send, but not receive. Well, sort of...
For POP
Username = username@gmail.com host = pop.gmail.com port = 995 Encryption = SSL Auth = Clear text
For SMTP
Username = username@gmail.com host = smtp.gmail.com port = 587 Server does require authentication Encryption = TLS Auth = Plain Text
The above works for me in Kmail.
On February 4, 2007, Andreas (Andy) Roddau wrote:
For POP
Username = username@gmail.com host = pop.gmail.com port = 995 Encryption = SSL Auth = Clear text
For SMTP
Username = username@gmail.com host = smtp.gmail.com port = 587 Server does require authentication Encryption = TLS Auth = Plain Text
The above works for me in Kmail.
I did exactly what you said. I had exactly that, except that google help says to use googlemail.com. I changed it to gmail.com. For sending, google says port 465 with SSL. I will give port 587 with TLS a try.
But, sending works fine, so no real reason to change it. Also, kmail's 'check what server supports' discovers SSL. No matter.
Curious thing is, I have exactly the same as you for pop and this is what google help says, but no mail is downloaded, but when I log in, it's there.
I know the program is checking, because when I click 'check mail in' in kmail, it checks and in the status bar at the bottom, it says that there is no mail on gmail, but there is.
On Sunday 04 February 2007 20:39, Gueckel, P. wrote:
I did exactly what you said. I had exactly that, except that google help says to use googlemail.com. I changed it to gmail.com. For sending, google says port 465 with SSL. I will give port 587 with TLS a try.
Not according to what I'm reading. Check this page. In any event, having changed it to "gmail" should fix that part of it for you.
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13285&topic=1556
Curious thing is, I have exactly the same as you for pop and this is what google help says, but no mail is downloaded, but when I log in, it's there.
Make sure you have POP enabled in your Gmail account settings. I got caught with that turned off at first. This *must* be turned on.
On February 4, 2007, Andreas (Andy) Roddau wrote:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13285&topic=1556
Make sure you have POP enabled in your Gmail account settings. I got caught with that turned off at first. This *must* be turned on.
Curious. The page I was looking at is somewhat ambiguous:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287&hl=en_GB
It says googlemail, but I changed to gmail. It says STARTTLS, which is allegedly sometimes called SSL. Kmail, when I do a 'check what server supports', returns SSL.
No matter. I changed to your settings and sending works. It always worked.
I ticked pop in the gmail settings and downloaded my emails. My emails showed up, like before. Then I sent myself another one, and we're back at square 1 - it won't download. Like before.
When I log in and set the pop settings again, they download, and then the next ones I send myself won't until I log in to gmail and reset the pop settings.
Got any more ideas? How come I can receive the first batch after I reset gmail to pop, but no further downloads without logging in and setting it all over again?
It's like it forgets my setting as soon as I have done a download.
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 18:39 -0700, Gueckel, P. wrote:
Curious thing is, I have exactly the same as you for pop and this is what google help says, but no mail is downloaded, but when I log in, it's there.
I know the program is checking, because when I click 'check mail in' in kmail, it checks and in the status bar at the bottom, it says that there is no mail on gmail, but there is.
That's one of the curious things with gmail. Seeing your own mail. I bet you get what others send you, just not your own. Ric
On February 4, 2007, Ric Moore wrote:
That's one of the curious things with gmail. Seeing your own mail. I bet you get what others send you, just not your own. Ric
I think you solved it. I have been sending myself test mail after test mail a few times a day for the last few days and they all got there, but wouldn't download.
After reading your mail, I used another account to send, et voilà! The mail downloaded right away! :-)
It's probably been working all along. But I don't understand why it won't download messages to myself. I write emails to myself all the time, so that I can remember things until I get home. Saves writing on scraps of paper.
On Mon February 5 2007, Gueckel, P. wrote:
That's one of the curious things with gmail. Seeing your own mail. I bet you get what others send you, just not your own. Ric
I think you solved it. I have been sending myself test mail after test mail a few times a day for the last few days and they all got there, but wouldn't download.
After reading your mail, I used another account to send, et voilà! The mail downloaded right away! :-)
It's probably been working all along. But I don't understand why it won't download messages to myself. I write emails to myself all the time, so that I can remember things until I get home. Saves writing on scraps of paper.
It's an undocumented 'feature' - there's a flag that's set in a header when you post from G-Mail to a list. Since all sent messages are kept, and can be found by filtering techniques, they presume to cut down on bandwidth by not redelivering your own posts back to you. I beat this subject to death some months ago on this list, and you could probably find that discussion if you tried. It makes keeping threads straight very difficult if you like to enable threaded messaging in folders, especially if you use Gmail in pop mode. The solution is to use one account for receiving and one for sending - kind of a pain, but it works.
I hope I'm getting this right - I think that's what you're discussing. The thread just caught my eye. If my post is not relevant to your discussion, pardon the noise.
On February 4, 2007, Claude Jones wrote:
I hope I'm getting this right - I think that's what you're discussing. The thread just caught my eye. If my post is not relevant to your discussion, pardon the noise.
Not at all. I appreciate the attention that even the most petty of concerns gets here.
On fedora forum, contrariwise, I could ask quite important questions, eg., concerning the operation of selinux or xorg.conf, or other concerns, and never get even one response, not even after asking a second time a few days later.
I felt like my messages were being shunned, or something. I ended up solving everything by myself, anyway, but it took days or weeks, and would have been nice to hear a simple explanation from someone who already went through it before.
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 23:17 -0700, Gueckel, P. wrote:
On February 4, 2007, Ric Moore wrote:
That's one of the curious things with gmail. Seeing your own mail. I bet you get what others send you, just not your own. Ric
I think you solved it. I have been sending myself test mail after test mail a few times a day for the last few days and they all got there, but wouldn't download.
After reading your mail, I used another account to send, et voilà! The mail downloaded right away! :-)
It's probably been working all along. But I don't understand why it won't download messages to myself. I write emails to myself all the time, so that I can remember things until I get home. Saves writing on scraps of paper.
I have never figured it out. I do have copies of everything I send in the sent folder ( I go back and re-read them so I can adjust my meds to keep the alpha, beta and theta waves at their max!) but it would be nice to have my own fedora stuff return so I can see where I posted and its own order in the thread. So, if someone can clue us in, from peas to carrots, it would really be appreciated, mutually beneficial, and I will remain faithfully at your service. Ric
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On 2/4/07, Gueckel, P. gueckelp@telus.net wrote:
On February 4, 2007, parishd wrote:
As was already mentioned, only with the paid version of yahoo mail. You can do this however with the free version of gmail; I switched for this exact reason.
Daniel
How did you get that to work?
I have pop.googlemail.com, port 995, use ssl and similar for smtp, like the help says, but I can send, but not receive. Well, sort of...
When I send an email, it goes to gmail account, but I can't retrieve it. I log in to gmail, verify that pop is on (tried both options, from now on and all mail, including mail already sent). Then I try to retrieve the email and it arrives. I send another, and same story. Won't download. I log in again, verify pop settings, the mail comes, but the next one won't ad infinitum.
How do you get it to work?
Apologies for dropping back in so late, but it looks like your problem has been solved. I, on the other hand, have discovered that although my incoming mail works fine, my outgoing smtp mail via gmail is not working. I thought it was, but apparently I'd still been sending it out via pacbell. So my settings in evolution are as described later in this thread, with the exception that I can't set the outgoing port, but I can't connect with the smtp server at gmail. I need to do a bit more troubleshooting...
Daniel
On 2/5/07, parishd parishd@gmail.com wrote:
<...snip> I, on the other hand, have discovered that although my incoming mail works fine, my outgoing smtp mail via gmail is not working. I thought it was, but apparently I'd still been sending it out via pacbell. So my settings in evolution are as described later in this thread, with the exception that I can't set the outgoing port, but I can't connect with the smtp server at gmail. I need to do a bit more troubleshooting...
Okay, the trick was to append the :port# to the server name (Doh!) but interestingly this still didn't work at first. Also, contrary to the guides at gmail, I had to use SSL (not TSL) with login authentication. This still didn't work though until I tried using the server ip address at which point I got an warning message about an out-of-date SSL certificate. I accepted the connection and was able to send the email. I then changed back to the server name and now I can still send emails. Don't really understand why this worked, but there you go.
Daniel
On February 5, 2007, parishd wrote:
Apologies for dropping back in so late, but it looks like your problem has been solved. I, on the other hand, have discovered that although my incoming mail works fine, my outgoing smtp mail via gmail is not working. I thought it was, but apparently I'd still been sending it out via pacbell. So my settings in evolution are as described later in this thread, with the exception that I can't set the outgoing port, but I can't connect with the smtp server at gmail. I need to do a bit more troubleshooting...
Daniel
Yes, the problem has been solved: there never was one (hehehe). I didn't know google doesn't allow downloading of one's own mails to oneself.
As for your problem, I have nothing to add, I'm afraid.
Andy Roddau spelled it out as clearly as can be (I quote):
For POP
Username = username@gmail com host = pop.gmail.com port = 995 Encryption = SSL Auth = Clear text
For SMTP
Username = username@gmail com host = smtp.gmail.com port = 587 Server does require authentication Encryption = TLS Auth = Plain Text
The above works for me in Kmail.
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It works for me, too. Evolution should be the same.
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 14:08 -0700, Gueckel, P. wrote:
Yes, the problem has been solved: there never was one (hehehe). I didn't know google doesn't allow downloading of one's own mails to oneself.
I think I will go to google and bitch about it. If two or more do the same thing, it may get some attention.
As for your problem, I have nothing to add, I'm afraid.
Andy Roddau spelled it out as clearly as can be (I quote):
For POP
Username = username@gmail com host = pop.gmail.com port = 995 Encryption = SSL Auth = Clear text
For SMTP
Server type correct
Username = username@gmail com host = smtp.gmail.com port = 587
evolution doesn't seem to require this port number
Server does require authentication Encryption = TLS Auth = Plain Text
I use Login and Remember Password is checked.
The above works for me in Kmail.
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It works for me, too. Evolution should be the same.
Almost, as I noted above. Ric
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Anyone ever get google to work with multiple POP clients? A use case example could be: 1 work machine and 1 home machine pulling down the same email.
Google's pop access works fine to a single client. But not to two clients. They mark what was downloaded on the server-side which is contrary to the behavior of traditional POP client-server relationships. At least that is my understanding. I assume this is still the behavior, though I haven't tried for some time. This is one of my big complaints to google and I filed a bug about a year ago concerning it. I assume it is intentional to cut down on abuse, but it is annoying.
Anyway. Google's implementation of POP support doesn't (or at least didn't) work like traditional services. I finally gave up and just use their web interface, which is very nice. I just can't read email offline. Things may be different now but it doesn't sound like it.
-todd
Todd Warner wrote:
Anyone ever get google to work with multiple POP clients? A use case example could be: 1 work machine and 1 home machine pulling down the same email.
It works, but you only get new mail once.
Anyway. Google's implementation of POP support doesn't (or at least didn't) work like traditional services. I finally gave up and just use their web interface, which is very nice. I just can't read email offline.
You can, but don't download to a location where you don't have time to finish reading it... You can configure gmail to also 'archive' a copy as you download so you can read/respond/delete in your pop mailer and only use the web interface if you need to go back and search or access something you downloaded to the wrong place.
Things may be different now but it doesn't sound like it.
If one of your own machines permits inbound internet connections the nicest approach is to run fetchmail and an imap server on it. Then you have a copy you can access from multiple locations and you can still read/respond/delete with gmail keeping an easily searchable archive copy for you.
On 2/5/07, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 14:08 -0700, Gueckel, P. wrote:
Yes, the problem has been solved: there never was one (hehehe). I didn't know google doesn't allow downloading of one's own mails to oneself.
I think I will go to google and bitch about it. If two or more do the same thing, it may get some attention.
I have been doing some googling and found repeated complaints about mail to self not being downloaded via pop since gmail was released. The answer from gmail, repeated as recently as last month, is that gmail "doesn't do that". Apparently it is going to take an act of God to get it corrected, and yes, I do believe this is a significant problem.
Daniel
parishd wrote:
I have been doing some googling and found repeated complaints about mail to self not being downloaded via pop since gmail was released. The answer from gmail, repeated as recently as last month, is that gmail "doesn't do that". Apparently it is going to take an act of God to get it corrected, and yes, I do believe this is a significant problem.
If you have another place that will accept your smtp (like your ISP's mailer) you may be able to reconfigure to send that way so gmail won't hide the message from you. That loophole may go away if more mailers check the From: header on the way out, but many/most don't yet, so if you are allowed to relay because of your IP address or with authenticated SMTP, you can probably use the From: from a different account.
On 2/6/07, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
parishd wrote:
I have been doing some googling and found repeated complaints about mail to self not being downloaded via pop since gmail was released. The answer from gmail, repeated as recently as last month, is that gmail "doesn't do that". Apparently it is going to take an act of God to get it corrected, and yes, I do believe this is a significant problem.
If you have another place that will accept your smtp (like your ISP's mailer) you may be able to reconfigure to send that way so gmail won't hide the message from you. That loophole may go away if more mailers check the From: header on the way out, but many/most don't yet, so if you are allowed to relay because of your IP address or with authenticated SMTP, you can probably use the From: from a different account.
I had thought about mailing from an alternate account but was worried that replies would then be directed to that account instead of gmail, and don't know enough about manipulating headers within Evolution to change the From:. In any case, I think I'm okay for now, saving sent items to the Inbox instead of the Sent folder in Evolution.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Daniel
On 2/6/07, parishd parishd@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/5/07, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 14:08 -0700, Gueckel, P. wrote:
Yes, the problem has been solved: there never was one (hehehe). I didn't know google doesn't allow downloading of one's own mails to oneself.
I think I will go to google and bitch about it. If two or more do the same thing, it may get some attention.
I have been doing some googling and found repeated complaints about mail to self not being downloaded via pop since gmail was released. The answer from gmail, repeated as recently as last month, is that gmail "doesn't do that". Apparently it is going to take an act of God to get it corrected, and yes, I do believe this is a significant problem.
Okay, I was able to deal with this in Evolution by having copies of my sent emails saved to the Inbox instead of the Sent folder. I would prefer pop downloads to behave otherwise, but maybe that's just because I was accustomed to that behavior.
Daniel
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 10:33 -0800, parishd wrote:
On 2/6/07, parishd parishd@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/5/07, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 14:08 -0700, Gueckel, P. wrote:
Yes, the problem has been solved: there never was one (hehehe). I didn't know google doesn't allow downloading of one's own mails to oneself.
I think I will go to google and bitch about it. If two or more do the same thing, it may get some attention.
I have been doing some googling and found repeated complaints about mail to self not being downloaded via pop since gmail was released. The answer from gmail, repeated as recently as last month, is that gmail "doesn't do that". Apparently it is going to take an act of God to get it corrected, and yes, I do believe this is a significant problem.
Okay, I was able to deal with this in Evolution by having copies of my sent emails saved to the Inbox instead of the Sent folder. I would prefer pop downloads to behave otherwise, but maybe that's just because I was accustomed to that behavior.
When you did that, would it sort your mail to the lists that get sorted? Ric
On 2/9/07, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 10:33 -0800, parishd wrote:
On 2/6/07, parishd parishd@gmail.com wrote:
Okay, I was able to deal with this in Evolution by having copies of my sent emails saved to the Inbox instead of the Sent folder. I would prefer pop downloads to behave otherwise, but maybe that's just because I was accustomed to that behavior.
When you did that, would it sort your mail to the lists that get sorted? Ric
Hi Ric, if you are asking if my filters in Evolution pick up my emails to this list and direct them to the appropriate folder in Evolution, then yes; my filter is based on the recipient list, in this case fedora-list, not the cc list.
Daniel
On 2/10/07, parishd parishd@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/9/07, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 10:33 -0800, parishd wrote:
On 2/6/07, parishd parishd@gmail.com wrote:
Okay, I was able to deal with this in Evolution by having copies of my sent emails saved to the Inbox instead of the Sent folder. I would prefer pop downloads to behave otherwise, but maybe that's just because I was accustomed to that behavior.
When you did that, would it sort your mail to the lists that get sorted? Ric
Hi Ric, if you are asking if my filters in Evolution pick up my emails to this list and direct them to the appropriate folder in Evolution, then yes; my filter is based on the recipient list, in this case fedora-list, not the cc list.
Daniel
I should point out though that for the most part I read/respond to list mail directly from gmail. For this specific purpose, I like the interface better than Evolution.
Daniel
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 10:07 -0800, parishd wrote:
On 2/10/07, parishd parishd@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/9/07, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 10:33 -0800, parishd wrote:
On 2/6/07, parishd parishd@gmail.com wrote:
Okay, I was able to deal with this in Evolution by having copies of my sent emails saved to the Inbox instead of the Sent folder. I would prefer pop downloads to behave otherwise, but maybe that's just because I was accustomed to that behavior.
When you did that, would it sort your mail to the lists that get sorted? Ric
Hi Ric, if you are asking if my filters in Evolution pick up my emails to this list and direct them to the appropriate folder in Evolution, then yes; my filter is based on the recipient list, in this case fedora-list, not the cc list.
Daniel
I should point out though that for the most part I read/respond to list mail directly from gmail. For this specific purpose, I like the interface better than Evolution.
Beautiful, I'll give this a shot! Ric
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