After this morning's dnf upgrade of Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.
I would like to configure claws to display white text on a black background but have not been able to find how to do that.
Suggestions appreciated.
Bob
On 04/25/2016 11:09 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I would like to configure claws to display white text on a black background but have not been able to find how to do that.
Hi 'Claws Mail will not let you write and send HTML emails or other kind of annoyances' http://www.claws-mail.org/documentation.php?section=general But you can display html messages with Fancy plugin
On 04/25/16 05:55, maderios wrote:
On 04/25/2016 11:09 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I would like to configure claws to display white text on a black background but have not been able to find how to do that.
Hi 'Claws Mail will not let you write and send HTML emails or other kind of annoyances' http://www.claws-mail.org/documentation.php?section=general
But you can display html messages with Fancy plugin -- Maderios
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I can do without the html but with my poor vision I need the contrast I get with white text on black.
However, dnf downgrade thunderbird, solves my immediate problems but I can see that Thunderbird changes are going in the wrong direction and I'm going to have to find a replacement ...
Thanks,
Bob
On 04/25/2016 07:07 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
However, dnf downgrade thunderbird, solves my immediate problems but I can see that Thunderbird changes are going in the wrong direction and I'm going to have to find a replacement ...
To replace Thunderbird+html, you may try Seamonkey or Kmail
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 05:09:46 -0400 Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@wildblue.net wrote:
After this morning's dnf upgrade of Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.
I would like to configure claws to display white text on a black background but have not been able to find how to do that.
Hmmm, I've used claws for years, and haven't done this (I just use the default black on white). And now I can't find a way to do it. A quick search doesn't turn up anything.
A couple of possibilities.
In Configuration -> Preferences -> Display -> Colors -> Other, it is possible to set the foreground and background colors for the quote levels. I don't think this sets the ultimate background, but you can display white text on black background.
Or in Configuration -> Preferences -> Display -> Themes, you could try out other themes.
I haven't done either of these, but they hold out the most hope. Maybe an expert will chime in here with the correct way to do this. And then I *can* change the default layout. All that white is a little bright.
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 09:41:23 -0700 stan stanl-fedorauser@vfemail.net wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 05:09:46 -0400 Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@wildblue.net wrote:
After this morning's dnf upgrade of Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.
I would like to configure claws to display white text on a black background but have not been able to find how to do that.
Hmmm, I've used claws for years, and haven't done this (I just use the default black on white). And now I can't find a way to do it. A quick search doesn't turn up anything.
A couple of possibilities.
In Configuration -> Preferences -> Display -> Colors -> Other, it is possible to set the foreground and background colors for the quote levels. I don't think this sets the ultimate background, but you can display white text on black background.
Or in Configuration -> Preferences -> Display -> Themes, you could try out other themes.
I haven't done either of these, but they hold out the most hope. Maybe an expert will chime in here with the correct way to do this. And then I *can* change the default layout. All that white is a little bright. --
I have not used Claws-Mail for years, preferring sylpheed, but I believe that the "correct" way to do this is through the gtk settings. I used to have exactly the sort of foreground/background that Bob seems to want.
Best wishes, Ranjan
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On 04/25/16 04:09, Bob Goodwin wrote:
After this morning's dnf upgrade of Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.
I would like to configure claws to display white text on a black background but have not been able to find how to do that.
Suggestions appreciated.
Bob
what you want is either a "userChrome.css" file for the changes or you can make changes in "about:config".
i looked for my notes on changing with "userChrome.css", but did not find.
with "about:config", set "Search:" to following names, change as shown;
browser.display.background_color #000000
browser.display.foreground_color #FFFFFF
browser.display.focus_text_color #FFFFFF
editor.background_color #FFFFFF
messagecompose.background_color #000000
msgcompose.text_color #FFFFFF
note the 3 basic categories, _browser_, _edit_, _compose_, which relate to their window. if you use those names in search, you will see what you can change for colors just by looking for #xxxxxx in value column.
2 changes that i am not sure about, 'quote bar' and 'quoted text'.
i did find a note on sites related to userChrome.css and will check them after i send this info so you can get some changes made.
there are more that will/may need changing, depends on what you want links and email addresses, view and compose windows, address book. all of which depends on what you want.
basicly, if you open "about:config"
On 04/25/16 17:34, g wrote: <<>>
i looked for my notes on changing with "userChrome.css", but did not find.
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finally. found notes with links to sites and pages for changing thunderbird foreground and background, have yet to find info for quoted bar and text.
not all the way thru urls yet.
what i did find is 2 urls for mozilla site that i had forgotten about. they did not show up in search of bookmarks because i did not tag them with 'userchrome.css', the are now.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bad_Eyesight_-_Thunderbird http://kb.mozillazine.org/White_on_black_-_Thunderbird
unfortunately, 'white on black' does not mention quoted bar and text.
i did find something on quoted text that i need to look further into.
will play with it in morning and post results.
eyes are burning from too much reading of small print and wrong eye glasses.
later.
On 04/26/16 01:21, g wrote: <>
what i did find is 2 urls for mozilla site that i had forgotten about. they did not show up in search of bookmarks because i did not tag them with 'userchrome.css', the are now.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bad_Eyesight_-_Thunderbird http://kb.mozillazine.org/White_on_black_-_Thunderbird
unfortunately, 'white on black' does not mention quoted bar and text.
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read above links.
open thunderbird, make these changes to thunderbird's "about:config";
browser.display.background_color #000000
browser.display.foreground_color #FFFFFF
browser.display.focus_text_color #FFFFFF
editor.background_color #FFFFFF
messagecompose.background_color #000000
msgcompose.text_color #FFFFFF
close thunderbird.
to change colors for 'quoted text', check for a file;
/home/bob/.thunderbird/xxxxxxxx.default/chrome/userContent.css
if present, add below. if not, create and add below;
/* replace colored bars with ">" */ .moz-text-plain blockquote[type=cite] {color: white;} {border: none !important; padding: 0 !important;}
/* Quoted text in plain-text replies */ span[_moz_quote=true] {color: white;}
save file.
open thunderbird, do you now have white on black for emails being read, composed, and replied to.
yes|no|maybe?
need to do some weed whacking in backyard. back in about 1 hr.
On Mon, 2016-04-25 at 05:09 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
After this morning's dnf upgrade of Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.
I would like to configure claws to display white text on a black background but have not been able to find how to do that.
Suggestions appreciated.
I would have thought that you'd be configuring the overall operating system display preferences for high contrast, reversed colour scheme (bright on dark), and that programs like mail clients would inherit those options (ignoring HTML displays that set their own colours).
On 04/26/16 02:38, Tim wrote:
I would have thought that you'd be configuring the overall operating system display preferences for high contrast, reversed colour scheme (bright on dark), and that programs like mail clients would inherit those options (ignoring HTML displays that set their own colours).
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I do make setup selections for high contrast, even the high contrast icons, DejaVuSans text, etc. but I don't know of any _overall_ "reversed colour scheme(bright on dark)" option? I am able to use an option to get reverse colors with pdf's in Evince and use that often.
I set Thunderbird to display white text on black, but that only controls the message text panel, the rest is the usual black on white, and I can make do with that until an appearance extension catches up.
The latest Thunderbird leaves only the bottom third of this wide screen for the text. The rest is filled up with double spaced information, the center third being essentially a duplicate of information listed at the top third with a few lines I don't need, I don't routinely need Message ID and In Reply To. I know that extraneous information panel can be cleared by double clicking to open the message and add space for the message text but I don't usually open the message.
I just finished a two days in the hospital after an incident with a horse and my "Claws" issues become lower priority for a while due to other things that need attention.
Thanks,
Bob
Allegedly, on or about 28 April 2016, Bob Goodwin sent:
I do make setup selections for high contrast, even the high contrast icons, DejaVuSans text, etc. but I don't know of any _overall_ "reversed colour scheme(bright on dark)" option? I am able to use an option to get reverse colors with pdf's in Evince and use that often.
I used to use Gnome, now I use Mate, but they both had (and Mate still does), options to set your display *look* preferences (Mate has it in the accessibility / universal access settings. Where you get a few choices for low, normal, high contrast, and high contrast & inverse. Gnome used to do it with Themes.
The idea is that it sets the basic desktop colour scheme for most things (windows, menus, text foreground and backgrounds), and some desktops let you set them with RGB sliders rather than just give you some presets.
However, you do come a cropper with some applications that either don't use the desktop colours in a logical fashion, or their display section takes their colours from the source of what they're displaying (such as anything that shows HTML). Likewise, it's confusing if you're word processing and including graphics. The printer is most likely to print the text black on a white page, because you're *displaying* it in inverse, not painting it in those colours. And judging how a graphic fits into that scheme is difficult, too.
On 04/29/16 06:39, Tim wrote:
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I used to use Gnome, now I use Mate, but they both had (and Mate still does), options to set your display*look* preferences (Mate has it in the accessibility / universal access settings. Where you get a few choices for low, normal, high contrast, and high contrast & inverse. Gnome used to do it with Themes.
The idea is that it sets the basic desktop colour scheme for most things (windows, menus, text foreground and backgrounds), and some desktops let you set them with RGB sliders rather than just give you some presets.
However, you do come a cropper with some applications that either don't use the desktop colours in a logical fashion, or their display section takes their colours from the source of what they're displaying (such as anything that shows HTML). Likewise, it's confusing if you're word processing and including graphics. The printer is most likely to print the text black on a white page, because you're*displaying* it in inverse, not painting it in those colours. And judging how a graphic fits into that scheme is difficult, too.
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. Xfce has what are probably the same settings options and I use all the appropriate ones for high contrast, text size, etc. Wherever possible I choose text not icons and white on black for the text. However all of that has little effect on Thunderbird and Firefox, even Midori and SeaMonkey which I also use where Firefox fails for me.
The remaining problem is that the Thunderbird message text area seems to have grown smaller over the years. The window has the usual needed information at the top but in the center there is a large block of double spaced information much of which is already available at the top and all is readily available via menus provided. For me that center third of the display is just an annoyance, at least 7 of the 11 lines of the space it takes I would like to eliminate. Double clicking on the message list [opening?] changes the display and improves the space available for the message text, I prefer not to do that.
So I began looking for an alternative e-mail application and thought Claws might be a possibility but it presents a different set of things to work around. That and the fact that we are stuck with a poor aspect ratio in the available monitors. A larger monitor monitor gives very little more room for text and I tend to use only about 12 inches of width for the message text to make it easier for me to follow from line to line with my vision ...
Bob
On 04/29/2016 06:57 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 04/29/16 06:39, Tim wrote:
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I used to use Gnome, now I use Mate, but they both had (and Mate still does), options to set your display*look* preferences (Mate has it in the accessibility / universal access settings. Where you get a few choices for low, normal, high contrast, and high contrast & inverse. Gnome used to do it with Themes.
The idea is that it sets the basic desktop colour scheme for most things (windows, menus, text foreground and backgrounds), and some desktops let you set them with RGB sliders rather than just give you some presets.
However, you do come a cropper with some applications that either don't use the desktop colours in a logical fashion, or their display section takes their colours from the source of what they're displaying (such as anything that shows HTML). Likewise, it's confusing if you're word processing and including graphics. The printer is most likely to print the text black on a white page, because you're*displaying* it in inverse, not painting it in those colours. And judging how a graphic fits into that scheme is difficult, too.
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. Xfce has what are probably the same settings options and I use all the appropriate ones for high contrast, text size, etc. Wherever possible I choose text not icons and white on black for the text. However all of that has little effect on Thunderbird and Firefox, even Midori and SeaMonkey which I also use where Firefox fails for me.
The remaining problem is that the Thunderbird message text area seems to have grown smaller over the years. The window has the usual needed information at the top but in the center there is a large block of double spaced information much of which is already available at the top and all is readily available via menus provided. For me that center third of the display is just an annoyance, at least 7 of the 11 lines of the space it takes I would like to eliminate. Double clicking on the message list [opening?] changes the display and improves the space available for the message text, I prefer not to do that.
You do know you can resize the various Thunderbird panes by putting the cursor over the dividing lines, waiting for it to turn into the double arrow cursor, holding the left mouse button down and dragging the lines whichever way you want. It's sticky, meaning the next time you open Thunderbird it'll appear in the same way you buggered it the last time. I've used it extensively.
So I began looking for an alternative e-mail application and thought Claws might be a possibility but it presents a different set of things to work around. That and the fact that we are stuck with a poor aspect ratio in the available monitors. A larger monitor monitor gives very little more room for text and I tend to use only about 12 inches of width for the message text to make it easier for me to follow from line to line with my vision ...
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On 04/29/2016 11:43 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 04/29/2016 06:57 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
The remaining problem is that the Thunderbird message text area seems to have grown smaller over the years. The window has the usual needed information at the top but in the center there is a large block of double spaced information much of which is already available at the top and all is readily available via menus provided. For me that center third of the display is just an annoyance, at least 7 of the 11 lines of the space it takes I would like to eliminate. Double clicking on the message list [opening?] changes the display and improves the space available for the message text, I prefer not to do that.
You do know you can resize the various Thunderbird panes by putting the cursor over the dividing lines, waiting for it to turn into the double arrow cursor, holding the left mouse button down and dragging the lines whichever way you want. It's sticky, meaning the next time you open Thunderbird it'll appear in the same way you buggered it the last time. I've used it extensively.
The is also an available "CompactHeader" addon for Thunderbird, which add the ability to reduce the header size to one or two lines. I've been using that for quite a few years, now.
On 04/29/16 14:32, Robert Nichols wrote:
The is also an available "CompactHeader" addon for Thunderbird, which add the ability to reduce the header size to one or two lines. I've been using that for quite a few years, now.
-- Bob Nichols
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Yes, I installed that and it appears to solve the immediate problem by reducing that panel to two lines of information that I do use. Very good suggestion.
Thanks,
Bob
On 04/29/16 18:16, Samuel Sieb wrote:
You've also managed to switch to terrible HTML mail with white on black...
. The white on black I prefer normally but Thunderbird should send messages to this address as plain text. I usually check that in options to be doubly certain but perhaps forgot ...
I will check to see why this "terrible thing" happened.
Thanks,
Bob
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:28:37 -0400 Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@wildblue.net wrote:
On 04/29/16 18:16, Samuel Sieb wrote:
You've also managed to switch to terrible HTML mail with white on black...
. The white on black I prefer normally but Thunderbird should send messages to this address as plain text. I usually check that in options to be doubly certain but perhaps forgot ...
I will check to see why this "terrible thing" happened.
Thanks,
Bob
wouldn't this thread be good on the claws list?
On 04/29/16 19:44, Dave Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:28:37 -0400 Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@wildblue.net wrote:
On 04/29/16 18:16, Samuel Sieb wrote:
You've also managed to switch to terrible HTML mail with white on black...
. The white on black I prefer normally but Thunderbird should send messages to this address as plain text. I usually check that in options to be doubly certain but perhaps forgot ...
I will check to see why this "terrible thing" happened.
Thanks,
Bob
wouldn't this thread be good on the claws list?
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not really.
Bob gave his post wrong "Subject:" name.
if you read thru post, you will see Bob is trying to get _thunderbird_ to produce a 'white on black' appearance.
On 04/29/16 12:43, Rick Stevens wrote:
You do know you can resize the various Thunderbird panes by putting the cursor over the dividing lines, waiting for it to turn into the double arrow cursor, holding the left mouse button down and dragging the lines whichever way you want. It's sticky, meaning the next time you open Thunderbird it'll appear in the same way you buggered it the last time. I've used it extensively.
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Yes I do that routinely but that can't be done on that center panel that takes up about 11 lines between the usual list at the top and the message text pane. When I open your message with a double click the top pane closes but the 11 line space just moves up adding four or five more lines of space to the message text panel.
And this problem remains after I have downgraded to 38.3.0 ...
Poma has suggested Balsa and I've downloaded that to try. That and we are building a horse shed, and I have a new router that needs Tomato installed, but the e-mail configuration "problem" probably takes precedence. Now Balsa looks hopeful to me ...
Bob
On 04/29/2016 02:21 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 04/29/16 12:43, Rick Stevens wrote:
You do know you can resize the various Thunderbird panes by putting the cursor over the dividing lines, waiting for it to turn into the double arrow cursor, holding the left mouse button down and dragging the lines whichever way you want. It's sticky, meaning the next time you open Thunderbird it'll appear in the same way you buggered it the last time. I've used it extensively.
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Yes I do that routinely but that can't be done on that center panel that takes up about 11 lines between the usual list at the top and the message text pane. When I open your message with a double click the top pane closes but the 11 line space just moves up adding four or five more lines of space to the message text panel.
Ah, I see what you mean. You're referring to the grey bar with the From, Subject and To fields along with the disposition buttons (Reply, Forward, etc.). Yes, that can't be resized. I stand (er, sit) corrected.
And this problem remains after I have downgraded to 38.3.0 ...
Poma has suggested Balsa and I've downloaded that to try. That and we are building a horse shed, and I have a new router that needs Tomato installed, but the e-mail configuration "problem" probably takes precedence. Now Balsa looks hopeful to me ...
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On 04/29/16 16:21, Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 04/29/16 12:43, Rick Stevens wrote:
You do know you can resize the various Thunderbird panes by putting the cursor over the dividing lines, waiting for it to turn into the double arrow cursor, holding the left mouse button down and dragging the lines whichever way you want. It's sticky, meaning the next time you open Thunderbird it'll appear in the same way you buggered it the last time. I've used it extensively.
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Yes I do that routinely but that can't be done on that center panel that takes up about 11 lines between the usual list at the top and the message text pane. When I open your message with a double click the top pane closes but the 11 line space just moves up adding four or five more lines of space to the message text panel.
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not quite true.
what you want is configurable. i do not recall if it is a standard thunderbird setting or if it is via add-on. will need some time to find info on it.
i do not read messages in center panel, i use separate window. in both, i have 4 lines in header area. with separate window also showing 'Menu bar' and 'Mail toolbar'. both of those bars can be remove using 'View > Toolbars' from 'Menu' bar. if you remove 'Menu bar', it is brought back with <alt+m>.
back to setting 'white on black'.
you never replied back about those settings because you where in hospital because you got in way of your horse. be glad it was not a horned bull. 8=)
you did mention something about changing window borders. such can also be done via about:config | userChrome.css | userContent.css.
to get you familiar with near all the ways of configurations, i included some links to guide you thru changes. which i imagine you have yet to read.
here are some more links to help you with all the customizing you are wanting to do.
=+=+= listing of customizations:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Category:Visual_customizations_%28Thunderbird%29
names for viewing panes with examples of layouts:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Window_layout_-_Thunderbird
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_background_colors
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Change_Background_Color
http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css
http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserContent.css
http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8.0/source/mail/themes/qute/mail/folderPane.... =+=+=
these are all from my bookmarks and are what i have gone thru over the years of using thunderbird. some i recall, some i do not.
also, what "i do not", is know just what all you want to do and what you will accept for 'close' or 'almost'.
so you can get 'spot on' or 'will have to accept', *you need* to go thru links and decide for yourself what you want.
another thing you can do to get thunderbird changed to your liking is to use "skin" to change window frame and content. there are skins that will change both frame and text, including a light/white on dark/black. do know that some skins will disable some changes already made. only way to know is for *you* to try.
Allegedly, on or about 29 April 2016, Bob Goodwin sent:
Xfce has what are probably the same settings options and I use all the appropriate ones for high contrast, text size, etc. Wherever possible I choose text not icons and white on black for the text. However all of that has little effect on Thunderbird and Firefox, even Midori and SeaMonkey which I also use where Firefox fails for me.
That may be because they use one of the other graphics engines, and XFCE settings may not be applicable (totally or partially). If I recall correctly, those kind of applications tend to be Gnome/GTK.
The remaining problem is that the Thunderbird message text area seems to have grown smaller over the years.
Yes, I've noticed that kind of malarkey when mum used to use it. I haven't been able to stand Thunderbird for many years, because of the painful way it does a myriad of things. Out of all the Linux clients I've tried over the years, Evolution has been the least painful. And that's been my experience, not finding a good client, but finding the least annoying.
So I began looking for an alternative e-mail application and thought Claws might be a possibility but it presents a different set of things to work around. That and the fact that we are stuck with a poor aspect ratio in the available monitors. A larger monitor monitor gives very little more room for text and I tend to use only about 12 inches of width for the message text to make it easier for me to follow from line to line with my vision ...
Just a thought, does using a monitor in portrait orientation work better for you? Emails tend to be longer than wider, and clients *may* organise their display better in another orientation.
On 04/28/16 12:39, Bob Goodwin wrote: <<>>
I just finished a two days in the hospital after an incident with a horse
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have you not learned to not stand in front of a charging horse?
and my "Claws" issues become lower priority for a while due to other things that need attention.
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again you are saying "Claws", yet you are posting about problems with thunderbird.
or are you referring to 'bird claws'? ;=)
On 04/29/16 23:13, g wrote:
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again you are saying "Claws", yet you are posting about problems with thunderbird.
or are you referring to 'bird claws'? ;=)
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. I realize that now but at the time "Subject: Claws" seemed appropriate. I apologize for any pain this caused. Thunderbird seems to be gradually becoming less what I would like and I guess the hidden subject is really, what can I replace Thunderbird with, while undoing some of of the stuff that bothers me?
At the moment, as a result of my inquiry here, Thunderbird is "fixed" sufficiently that it works for me and I will learn to cope with some odd quirks acquired in the process, I may even prefer those differences; as I continue to look at alternatives ...
Thanks,
Bob
On 04/30/16 03:01, Bob Goodwin wrote: <<>>
At the moment, as a result of my inquiry here, Thunderbird is "fixed" sufficiently that it works for me and I will learn to cope with some odd quirks acquired in the process, I may even prefer those differences; as I continue to look at alternatives ...
===> have a look at seamonkey.
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