I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
I checked the previous messages on this problem and the last one said: Dumb question, you did check the state of the option to play audio CDs when inserted, right? Under preferences?
Well I can find no such option under System->Preferences. Where is it or is there some other resolution of the problem. This used to work. -- ======================================================================= brokee, n: Someone who buys stocks on the advice of a broker. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
I checked the previous messages on this problem and the last one said: Dumb question, you did check the state of the option to play audio CDs when inserted, right? Under preferences?
Well I can find no such option under System->Preferences. Where is it or is there some other resolution of the problem. This used to work.
It looks like they moved it to the Media tab of System --> Preferences --> File Management.
Mikkel
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 17:47 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
I checked the previous messages on this problem and the last one said: Dumb question, you did check the state of the option to play audio CDs when inserted, right? Under preferences?
Well I can find no such option under System->Preferences. Where is it or is there some other resolution of the problem. This used to work.
It looks like they moved it to the Media tab of System --> Preferences --> File Management.
So they have but that does not help. By tomorrow I will collect more information and someone may have a solution.
Aaron;
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 07:48 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 17:47 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
I checked the previous messages on this problem and the last one said: Dumb question, you did check the state of the option to play audio CDs when inserted, right? Under preferences?
Well I can find no such option under System->Preferences. Where is it or is there some other resolution of the problem. This used to work.
It looks like they moved it to the Media tab of System --> Preferences --> File Management.
So they have but that does not help. By tomorrow I will collect more information and someone may have a solution.
I have exactly the same problem. For me, it seemed to start after a significant number of updates released around July 9,2009. I had used my CD music and RhythmBox just before those updates. (Only a day or two)
The trouble is, I have looked closely at my update log and nothing there SEEMS relevant. Also, I have checked online and Ubuntu users seem to be having the same problem.
Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 17:47 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
I checked the previous messages on this problem and the last one said: Dumb question, you did check the state of the option to play audio CDs when inserted, right? Under preferences?
Well I can find no such option under System->Preferences. Where is it or is there some other resolution of the problem. This used to work.
It looks like they moved it to the Media tab of System --> Preferences --> File Management.
So they have but that does not help. By tomorrow I will collect more information and someone may have a solution.
I didn't read deep enough into your message. If you are not getting an icon, then I suspect a HAL problem. Did you install any new software that would grab audio CDs?
The first thing I would do is look at the messages in /var/log/messages after you insert an audio CD for any clues.
Mikkel
Hi Mikkel;
I appreciate that this is Aaron's thread but I seem to be having exactly the same problem. What I have found may be useful to both of us.
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 09:28 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 17:47 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
It looks like they moved it to the Media tab of System --> Preferences --> File Management.
So they have but that does not help. By tomorrow I will collect more information and someone may have a solution.
I didn't read deep enough into your message. If you are not getting an icon, then I suspect a HAL problem. Did you install any new software that would grab audio CDs?
The first thing I would do is look at the messages in /var/log/messages after you insert an audio CD for any clues.
I adjusted System --> Preferences --> File Management and granted myself full sound and removable disk privileges through System --> Preferences --> Authorizations a couple of days ago. Yet I still get the following this morning:
/var/log/messages:
Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: __ratelimit: 12 callbacks suppressed Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 2 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 3 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 4 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 5 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 6 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 7 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Jul 26 10:58:44 CASE kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1 Jul 26 10:58:47 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Jul 26 10:58:47 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jul 26 10:58:47 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track Jul 26 10:58:47 CASE kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Jul 26 10:58:47 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Jul 26 10:58:47 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jul 26 10:58:47 CASE kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track Jul 26 10:58:47 CASE kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0
At one point, while working on another issue, I had SELinux completely disabled -- but no joy re: sr0 (my DVD/CD drive). The July 9 upgrades included selinux-policy and selinux-policy-targeted updates. Perhaps they are the problem?
On 26/07/09 16:28, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 17:47 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
[snip]
The first thing I would do is look at the messages in /var/log/messages after you insert an audio CD for any clues.
I have the same problem and there aren't any related messages.
William Case wrote:
Hi Mikkel;
I appreciate that this is Aaron's thread but I seem to be having exactly the same problem. What I have found may be useful to both of us.
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 09:28 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 17:47 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
It looks like they moved it to the Media tab of System --> Preferences --> File Management.
So they have but that does not help. By tomorrow I will collect more information and someone may have a solution.
I didn't read deep enough into your message. If you are not getting an icon, then I suspect a HAL problem. Did you install any new software that would grab audio CDs?
The first thing I would do is look at the messages in /var/log/messages after you insert an audio CD for any clues.
I adjusted System --> Preferences --> File Management and granted myself full sound and removable disk privileges through System --> Preferences --> Authorizations a couple of days ago. Yet I still get the following this morning:
/var/log/messages:
<-----------------------------[SNIP]------------------>
At one point, while working on another issue, I had SELinux completely disabled -- but no joy re: sr0 (my DVD/CD drive). The July 9 upgrades included selinux-policy and selinux-policy-targeted updates. Perhaps they are the problem?
OK - I just updated my F11 laptop. It does not look like a SELinux problem. I am not sure what the problem is. The audio CD is accessible - I have one playing now. Time to file a bug report.
Mikkel
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 10:00 -0400, William Case wrote:
Aaron;
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 07:48 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 17:47 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
I checked the previous messages on this problem and the last one said: Dumb question, you did check the state of the option to play audio CDs when inserted, right? Under preferences?
Well I can find no such option under System->Preferences. Where is it or is there some other resolution of the problem. This used to work.
It looks like they moved it to the Media tab of System --> Preferences --> File Management.
So they have but that does not help. By tomorrow I will collect more information and someone may have a solution.
I have exactly the same problem. For me, it seemed to start after a significant number of updates released around July 9,2009. I had used my CD music and RhythmBox just before those updates. (Only a day or two)
The trouble is, I have looked closely at my update log and nothing there SEEMS relevant. Also, I have checked online and Ubuntu users seem to be having the same problem.
I am confused as you are. I am going to collect all the information about this an post it tomorrow. It is not the hardware since my machines double boots and win XP can play cd's. If you look at the log messages you will see that reading the audio CD causes errors in accessing the CD.. I suspect it is a udev problem. -- ======================================================================= QOTD: "It's been real and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun." ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On 26/07/09 22:10, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
William Case wrote:
Hi Mikkel;
I appreciate that this is Aaron's thread but I seem to be having exactly the same problem. What I have found may be useful to both of us.
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 09:28 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 17:47 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
It looks like they moved it to the Media tab of System --> Preferences --> File Management.
So they have but that does not help. By tomorrow I will collect more information and someone may have a solution.
I didn't read deep enough into your message. If you are not getting an icon, then I suspect a HAL problem. Did you install any new software that would grab audio CDs?
The first thing I would do is look at the messages in /var/log/messages after you insert an audio CD for any clues.
I adjusted System --> Preferences --> File Management and granted myself full sound and removable disk privileges through System --> Preferences --> Authorizations a couple of days ago. Yet I still get the following this morning:
/var/log/messages:
<-----------------------------[SNIP]------------------>
At one point, while working on another issue, I had SELinux completely disabled -- but no joy re: sr0 (my DVD/CD drive). The July 9 upgrades included selinux-policy and selinux-policy-targeted updates. Perhaps they are the problem?
OK - I just updated my F11 laptop. It does not look like a SELinux problem. I am not sure what the problem is. The audio CD is accessible - I have one playing now. Time to file a bug report.
Mikkel
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507446
Erik P. Olsen wrote:
Oops - I guess I had better kill mine!
Mikkel
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I am confused as you are. I am going to collect all the information about this an post it tomorrow. It is not the hardware since my machines double boots and win XP can play cd's. If you look at the log messages you will see that reading the audio CD causes errors in accessing the CD.. I suspect it is a udev problem.
I don't thinl it is a udev problem. You always get errors when it tries to read an audio CD. Also, the CD is accessable - there just isn't an icon. I can still play CDs. If I start a CD player, it can see and access the CD in the drive.
Mikkel
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 15:10 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
William Case wrote:
Hi Mikkel;
I appreciate that this is Aaron's thread but I seem to be having exactly the same problem. What I have found may be useful to both of us.
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 09:28 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 17:47 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
I can mount data CDs and play DVDs when inserted but when I insert an audio CD no icon appears on the Desktop and no audio playing occurs.
It looks like they moved it to the Media tab of System --> Preferences --> File Management.
So they have but that does not help. By tomorrow I will collect more information and someone may have a solution.
I didn't read deep enough into your message. If you are not getting an icon, then I suspect a HAL problem. Did you install any new software that would grab audio CDs?
The first thing I would do is look at the messages in /var/log/messages after you insert an audio CD for any clues.
I adjusted System --> Preferences --> File Management and granted myself full sound and removable disk privileges through System --> Preferences --> Authorizations a couple of days ago. Yet I still get the following this morning:
/var/log/messages:
<-----------------------------[SNIP]------------------>
At one point, while working on another issue, I had SELinux completely disabled -- but no joy re: sr0 (my DVD/CD drive). The July 9 upgrades included selinux-policy and selinux-policy-targeted updates. Perhaps they are the problem?
OK - I just updated my F11 laptop. It does not look like a SELinux problem. I am not sure what the problem is. The audio CD is accessible - I have one playing now. Time to file a bug report.
Mikkel
The question what program to Bugzilla. I had a feeling it was udev problem but it might indeed be a HAL problem. The confusion is that DVDs work and mountable data CDs work but audio CDs don't. -- ======================================================================= You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
Aaron Konstam wrote:
The question what program to Bugzilla. I had a feeling it was udev problem but it might indeed be a HAL problem. The confusion is that DVDs work and mountable data CDs work but audio CDs don't.
Wat doesn't work is the part that HAL is supposed to do. The CD is sensed in the drive. The system tries to read it, and gets the usual error when trying to read an audio CD. Do icon and no program launch after the audio CD is detected. But you can still access the CD if you launch a program that reads/plays CDs.
I would be more inclined to suspect udev if nothing happened when you inserted a data CD or a DVD. But it would not be my first choice unless the drive was not detected at all.
Mikkel
On 26/07/09 23:14, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
The question what program to Bugzilla. I had a feeling it was udev problem but it might indeed be a HAL problem. The confusion is that DVDs work and mountable data CDs work but audio CDs don't.
Wat doesn't work is the part that HAL is supposed to do. The CD is sensed in the drive. The system tries to read it, and gets the usual error when trying to read an audio CD. Do icon and no program launch after the audio CD is detected. But you can still access the CD if you launch a program that reads/plays CDs.
It is not always so. I have tried to access an audio CD from rhythmbox to no avail. What program did you launch?
Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 26/07/09 23:14, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
What doesn't work is the part that HAL is supposed to do. The CD is sensed in the drive. The system tries to read it, and gets the usual error when trying to read an audio CD. Do icon and no program launch after the audio CD is detected. But you can still access the CD if you launch a program that reads/plays CDs.
It is not always so. I have tried to access an audio CD from rhythmbox to no avail. What program did you launch?
XMMS, Sound Jouncier, Audacious, Gxine, Grip, Decisable, CMplayer.
I don't use Rythmbox, so I didn't try it. I am not even sure how to play a CD using it.
Mikkel
On 27/07/09 00:30, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 26/07/09 23:14, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
What doesn't work is the part that HAL is supposed to do. The CD is sensed in the drive. The system tries to read it, and gets the usual error when trying to read an audio CD. Do icon and no program launch after the audio CD is detected. But you can still access the CD if you launch a program that reads/plays CDs.
It is not always so. I have tried to access an audio CD from rhythmbox to no avail. What program did you launch?
XMMS, Sound Jouncier, Audacious, Gxine, Grip, Decisable, CMplayer.
OK. I'll try'em tomorrow.
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 17:30 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 26/07/09 23:14, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
What doesn't work is the part that HAL is supposed to do. The CD is sensed in the drive. The system tries to read it, and gets the usual error when trying to read an audio CD. Do icon and no program launch after the audio CD is detected. But you can still access the CD if you launch a program that reads/plays CDs.
It is not always so. I have tried to access an audio CD from rhythmbox to no avail. What program did you launch?
XMMS, Sound Jouncier, Audacious, Gxine, Grip, Decisable, CMplayer.
I don't use Rythmbox, so I didn't try it. I am not even sure how to play a CD using it.
I tried some of those applications. grip played the CD but no sound was heard. Audio Extractor produced sound for a while then the sound disappeared although he playing continued.
Rhythembox would not play the CD.
So all is still not well. -- ======================================================================= Truth will out this morning. (Which may really mess things up.) ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On 27/07/09 16:38, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 17:30 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 26/07/09 23:14, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
What doesn't work is the part that HAL is supposed to do. The CD is sensed in the drive. The system tries to read it, and gets the usual error when trying to read an audio CD. Do icon and no program launch after the audio CD is detected. But you can still access the CD if you launch a program that reads/plays CDs.
It is not always so. I have tried to access an audio CD from rhythmbox to no avail. What program did you launch?
XMMS, Sound Jouncier, Audacious, Gxine, Grip, Decisable, CMplayer.
I don't use Rythmbox, so I didn't try it. I am not even sure how to play a CD using it.
I tried some of those applications. grip played the CD but no sound was heard. Audio Extractor produced sound for a while then the sound disappeared although he playing continued.
Rhythembox would not play the CD.
So all is still not well.
Same here, gxine would play the CD but no sound (due to the pulseaudio - alsa problem)
Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 27/07/09 16:38, Aaron Konstam wrote:
I tried some of those applications. grip played the CD but no sound was heard. Audio Extractor produced sound for a while then the sound disappeared although he playing continued.
Rhythembox would not play the CD.
So all is still not well.
Same here, gxine would play the CD but no sound (due to the pulseaudio - alsa problem)
One thing to check on the applications that play the CD, but do not produce sound is how they are set up to get sound from the CD. I have found that a lot of programs still default to using the analog line from the CD to the sound card, yet most new machines do not have this cable, so you need to reconfigure them to use digital sound over the interface. You then end up suing the PCM mixer control instead of the CD control to control volume...
Mikkel
I've had no problems previously playing and extracting music CD's on F11 in the past. When I put music CD in now I get the errors shown below.
Paolo
Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: __ratelimit: 2 callbacks suppressed Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 2 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 3 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Jul 27 08:21:42 peglaptop10 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson < mikkel@infinity-ltd.com> wrote:
Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 27/07/09 16:38, Aaron Konstam wrote:
I tried some of those applications. grip played the CD but no sound was heard. Audio Extractor produced sound for a while then the sound disappeared although he playing continued.
Rhythembox would not play the CD.
So all is still not well.
Same here, gxine would play the CD but no sound (due to the pulseaudio - alsa problem)
One thing to check on the applications that play the CD, but do not produce sound is how they are set up to get sound from the CD. I have found that a lot of programs still default to using the analog line from the CD to the sound card, yet most new machines do not have this cable, so you need to reconfigure them to use digital sound over the interface. You then end up suing the PCM mixer control instead of the CD control to control volume...
Mikkel
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On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 16:14 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
The question what program to Bugzilla. I had a feeling it was udev problem but it might indeed be a HAL problem. The confusion is that DVDs work and mountable data CDs work but audio CDs don't.
Wat doesn't work is the part that HAL is supposed to do. The CD is sensed in the drive. The system tries to read it, and gets the usual error when trying to read an audio CD. Do icon and no program launch after the audio CD is detected. But you can still access the CD if you launch a program that reads/plays CDs.
I would be more inclined to suspect udev if nothing happened when you inserted a data CD or a DVD. But it would not be my first choice unless the drive was not detected at all.
Mikkel
You are porbably right but lshw |grep audio returns: description: Multimedia audio controller capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r which indicates that audio CD-s are expected and my experience with running auudio reading programs differes from yours. Most audio programs won't read the audio CD and those that will loose sound after a few minutes.
-- ======================================================================= "Our vision is to speed up time, eventually eliminating it." -- Alex Schure ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On Monday 27 July 2009 16:09:25 Erik P. Olsen wrote:
I don't use Rythmbox, so I didn't try it. I am not even sure how to play a CD using it.
I tried some of those applications. grip played the CD but no sound was heard. Audio Extractor produced sound for a while then the sound disappeared although he playing continued.
Rhythembox would not play the CD.
So all is still not well.
Same here, gxine would play the CD but no sound (due to the pulseaudio - alsa problem)
I don't use gnome, so this may be of no use at all, but assuming that what I do in kde must have an equivalence in gnome, here are my comments.
Some applications use xine-backend and some use gstreamer-backend. See if you can find the configuration tool to switch them, then experiment. Similarly, when I look at the multimedia page in systemsettings I see a list of possible outputs for each type of input. Experiment with those, if you can find them. I found it well worth moving some around, making sure that either PA or an output seen to work (test button) is at the top of the list.
Vague, but HTH
Anne
On 27/07/09 17:20, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: [snip]
One thing to check on the applications that play the CD, but do not produce sound is how they are set up to get sound from the CD. I have found that a lot of programs still default to using the analog line from the CD to the sound card, yet most new machines do not have this cable, so you need to reconfigure them to use digital sound over the interface. You then end up suing the PCM mixer control instead of the CD control to control volume...
My sound card is an olde AW320 from Aopen. It does use the little cable from the CD and the sound is OK on F10. Should I really reconfigure the sound card and is it at all possible?
Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 27/07/09 17:20, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: [snip]
One thing to check on the applications that play the CD, but do not produce sound is how they are set up to get sound from the CD. I have found that a lot of programs still default to using the analog line from the CD to the sound card, yet most new machines do not have this cable, so you need to reconfigure them to use digital sound over the interface. You then end up suing the PCM mixer control instead of the CD control to control volume...
My sound card is an olde AW320 from Aopen. It does use the little cable from the CD and the sound is OK on F10. Should I really reconfigure the sound card and is it at all possible?
You do not have to reconfigure sound. It may be worth it, depending on the quality of the DtoA converter in the CD-ROM drive, the DtoA converter on the sound card. the quality of your speakers, and how well you hear.
Mikkel
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 20:25 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
Similarly, when I look at the multimedia page in systemsettings I see a list of possible outputs for each type of input. Experiment with those, if you can find them. I found it well worth moving some around, making sure that either PA or an output seen to work (test button) is at the top of the list.
I can remember doing that sort of thing, in the past, with Gnome. The default setting was "autodetect." I've no idea what it actually is meant to pick in that mode, and it doesn't tell you.
With everything set to pulseaudio, sound sharing worked (i.e. two, or more, programs could generate sound at the same time). But as soon as *anything* directly used ALSA (or another sound system), it wedged everything else, and sometimes even itself. You get the same whether one thing, or everything was set to use ALSA (or OSS, or whatever else).
The solution wasn't stopping using pulse, it was stop everything directly accessing sound in some other way. It's *them* that wedges sound, whatever method is used.
And, in some cases, what wedged a sound system was logging into a desktop and it trying to play a sound as you logged in. So you never had a chance to use your audio hardware.
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 06:46:11 Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 20:25 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
Similarly, when I look at the multimedia page in systemsettings I see a list of possible outputs for each type of input. Experiment with those, if you can find them. I found it well worth moving some around, making sure that either PA or an output seen to work (test button) is at the top of the list.
I can remember doing that sort of thing, in the past, with Gnome. The default setting was "autodetect." I've no idea what it actually is meant to pick in that mode, and it doesn't tell you.
With everything set to pulseaudio, sound sharing worked (i.e. two, or more, programs could generate sound at the same time). But as soon as *anything* directly used ALSA (or another sound system), it wedged everything else, and sometimes even itself. You get the same whether one thing, or everything was set to use ALSA (or OSS, or whatever else).
The solution wasn't stopping using pulse, it was stop everything directly accessing sound in some other way. It's *them* that wedges sound, whatever method is used.
And, in some cases, what wedged a sound system was logging into a desktop and it trying to play a sound as you logged in. So you never had a chance to use your audio hardware.
PA's fallback method does work, but it seems to pay to make sure that the best output for the job is next in line. When it has to go past something that works after a fashion but not acceptably - crackly, for instance - I suspect that it sees that as a working device and doesn't carry on to find the better one. Sheer guesswork, but that's the way it seems, here.
Anne
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 06:46:11 Tim wrote:
With everything set to pulseaudio, sound sharing worked (i.e. two, or more, programs could generate sound at the same time). But as soon as *anything* directly used ALSA (or another sound system), it wedged everything else, and sometimes even itself. You get the same whether one thing, or everything was set to use ALSA (or OSS, or whatever else).
This is precisely the motivation for introducing pulseaudio in the first place (ok, aside from networking sound and other stuff it improves).
ALSA is a common audio interface for all hardware drivers, so that the app doesn't need to know how to deal with every and any sound card specifically. But ALSA provides just that, an audio interface (and it does a great job) --- one app uses it, other stay in line waiting (or failing). It is the simple situation of "only one app can open a file as writeable" philosophy.
So the main idea is to have a sound server (pulseaudio) which takes the role of talking to apps, mixing all the audio, and giving the result to ALSA for playback. So PA is the only app that talks to audio hardware (through ALSA), while all other apps should be configured to talk to PA.
But if some app is misconfigured and tries to use audio hardware directly (through ALSA protocol), things break.
The question is therefore similar to a race condition --- which app gets to access the soundcard *first*? If it is PA, all apps that use PA will work, and those that don't, won't. However, if it is a "bad" app, PA will fail, and take down all "good" apps with it.
I'm not a developer, but my naive idea to resolve this is to hard-code ALSA to allow access *only* to pulseaudio, and every app that doesn't play well should be denied access to ALSA and bugzilla-ed. Possibly make it a configuration option to fall back to permissive way if the user really doesn't want pa.
My 2c.
Best, :-) Marko
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 20:25 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 27 July 2009 16:09:25 Erik P. Olsen wrote:
I don't use Rythmbox, so I didn't try it. I am not even sure how to play a CD using it.
I tried some of those applications. grip played the CD but no sound was heard. Audio Extractor produced sound for a while then the sound disappeared although he playing continued.
Rhythembox would not play the CD.
So all is still not well.
Same here, gxine would play the CD but no sound (due to the pulseaudio - alsa problem)
I don't use gnome, so this may be of no use at all, but assuming that what I do in kde must have an equivalence in gnome, here are my comments.
Some applications use xine-backend and some use gstreamer-backend. See if you can find the configuration tool to switch them, then experiment. Similarly, when I look at the multimedia page in systemsettings I see a list of possible outputs for each type of input. Experiment with those, if you can find them. I found it well worth moving some around, making sure that either PA or an output seen to work (test button) is at the top of the list.
Vague, but HTH
Anne
Let us be clear. The complaints about CDs not playing were in gnome but: audio CDs do not play in KDE either on the same machines and: All was well until the July updates. It is the updates that broke the system. In order to get yuutube, hulu, etc to work I had to remove alsa-pulseaudio rpm, which had been updates in early July. But this did not cure the audio CD problem. -- ======================================================================= Here I am in the POSTERIOR OLFACTORY LOBULE but I don't see CARL SAGAN anywhere!! ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On 07/28/2009 07:37 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 20:25 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 27 July 2009 16:09:25 Erik P. Olsen wrote:
I don't use Rythmbox, so I didn't try it. I am not even sure how to play a CD using it.
I tried some of those applications. grip played the CD but no sound was heard. Audio Extractor produced sound for a while then the sound disappeared although he playing continued.
Rhythembox would not play the CD.
So all is still not well.
Same here, gxine would play the CD but no sound (due to the pulseaudio - alsa problem)
I don't use gnome, so this may be of no use at all, but assuming that what I do in kde must have an equivalence in gnome, here are my comments.
Some applications use xine-backend and some use gstreamer-backend. See if you can find the configuration tool to switch them, then experiment. Similarly, when I look at the multimedia page in systemsettings I see a list of possible outputs for each type of input. Experiment with those, if you can find them. I found it well worth moving some around, making sure that either PA or an output seen to work (test button) is at the top of the list.
Vague, but HTH
Anne
Let us be clear. The complaints about CDs not playing were in gnome but: audio CDs do not play in KDE either on the same machines and: All was well until the July updates. It is the updates that broke the system. In order to get yuutube, hulu, etc to work I had to remove alsa-pulseaudio rpm, which had been updates in early July. But this did not cure the audio CD problem.
--
Here I am in the POSTERIOR OLFACTORY LOBULE but I don't see CARL SAGAN anywhere!! ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
I am having the same problem with my 32 and 64 bit machines. I have not found a followup to this thread. Has anyone found a fix for it yet?
On Monday 07 September 2009 18:08:53 Paul Erickson wrote:
Let us be clear. The complaints about CDs not playing were in gnome but: audio CDs do not play in KDE either on the same machines and: All was well until the July updates. It is the updates that broke the system. In order to get yuutube, hulu, etc to work I had to remove alsa-pulseaudio rpm, which had been updates in early July. But this did not cure the audio CD problem.
I am having the same problem with my 32 and 64 bit machines. I have not found a followup to this thread. Has anyone found a fix for it yet?
Works for me - 32-bit. - and has done from 24 hours after I installed F11.
Anne
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 10:08 -0700, Paul Erickson wrote:
Let us be clear. The complaints about CDs not playing were in gnome
but:
audio CDs do not play in KDE either on the same machines and: All was well until the July updates. It is the updates that broke
the
system. In order to get yuutube, hulu, etc to work I had to remove alsa-pulseaudio rpm, which had been updates in early July. But this
did
not cure the audio CD problem.
Do theyy nor play if you open a audio player or do the icon doesw not show up on the screen. If the latter here is the solution:
in bugzilla # 513495 Aram Agajanian poses a solution for the Audio CD problem and it works.
First you get udev-141-4.fc11.src.rpm from the link below.
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/udev/141/4.fc11/src/udev-141-4.fc...
Get the spec file with rpm -i udev-141-4.fc11.src.rpm
Remove patch4 from the spec file by commenting it out. Do a rpmbuild -bp then a rpmbuild -bb Install the files created (not the devel files) udev, udev-static libudev0 and libvolume_id
Reboot and the Audio CD icon is back.
If it is the former try the following: In /etc/pulse change in daemon.conf:; no-cpu-limit = yes
This is in GNOME
-- ======================================================================= Don't hit me!! I'm in the Twilight Zone!!! ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 15:38 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
in bugzilla # 513495 Aram Agajanian poses a solution for the Audio CD problem and it works.
I have encountered this problem recognizing audio CDs, and also a problem with Grip, which may be related (or not).
Grip recognizes CDs, looks them up correctly on the freedb database, and even appears to play them. However no sound is heard. This may possibly be related to bugzilla #513495, but more likely to a pulseaudio problem.
Has anyone seen a similar problem? or Has anyone got grip to work with F11 pulseaudio?
Thanks - jon
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