Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture & audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
however, these are just icon level msgs; i am less clear how to see the actual failure details. besides /var/log/messages, is there any error log for Skype use?
tia, jackc...
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On 08/26/2009 02:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture & audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
however, these are just icon level msgs; i am less clear how to see the actual failure details. besides /var/log/messages, is there any error log for Skype use?
tia, jackc...
I am. Installation info here:
http://www.sterndata.com/content/skype-fedora-linux
- --
Steve
On 08/26/2009 12:40 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
I am. Installation info here:
http://www.sterndata.com/content/skype-fedora-linux
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Great! thx, i'll check this out, ...
On 08/26/2009 12:40 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
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On 08/26/2009 02:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture& audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
however, these are just icon level msgs; i am less clear how to see the actual failure details. besides /var/log/messages, is there any error log for Skype use?
tia, jackc...
I am. Installation info here:
I read all the time that Skype won't work with pulseaudio, but it works for me. I do, however, have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.20-2.fc11.i586 installed. I don't have oss on my system, yet Skype works just fine. Go figure. YMMV.
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On 08/26/2009 04:10 PM, Joel Gomberg wrote:
On 08/26/2009 12:40 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
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On 08/26/2009 02:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture& audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
however, these are just icon level msgs; i am less clear how to see the actual failure details. besides /var/log/messages, is there any error log for Skype use?
tia, jackc...
I am. Installation info here:
I read all the time that Skype won't work with pulseaudio, but it works for me. I do, however, have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.20-2.fc11.i586 installed. I don't have oss on my system, yet Skype works just fine. Go figure. YMMV.
I had very choppy sound and alsa-oss fixed it, although I don't use "aoss" to run skype. Once I use alsa-oss, I just tried every output until I got one that worked.
- --
Steve
Are you actually running an FC11 version?
On 08/26/2009 05:10 PM, Joel Gomberg wrote:
On 08/26/2009 12:40 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
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On 08/26/2009 02:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture& audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
however, these are just icon level msgs; i am less clear how to see the actual failure details. besides /var/log/messages, is there any error log for Skype use?
tia, jackc...
I am. Installation info here:
I read all the time that Skype won't work with pulseaudio, but it works for me. I do, however, have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.20-2.fc11.i586 installed. I don't have oss on my system, yet Skype works just fine. Go figure. YMMV.
On 08/26/2009 04:13 PM, Elliott Chapin wrote:
Are you actually running an FC11 version?
no, i downloaded the fc7 (latest) from their site.
i am not aware of a more current option.
I had just wondered if the repo URL you showed us might list something more recent than mentioned on their download page. The repo page did not permit me direct access.
On 08/26/2009 09:22 PM, jack craig wrote:
On 08/26/2009 04:13 PM, Elliott Chapin wrote:
Are you actually running an FC11 version?
no, i downloaded the fc7 (latest) from their site.
i am not aware of a more current option.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:49:46 -0400 From: echapin@teksavvy.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Skype on FC11 ?
I had just wondered if the repo URL you showed us might list something more recent than mentioned on their download page. The repo page did not permit me direct access.
On 08/26/2009 09:22 PM, jack craig wrote:
On 08/26/2009 04:13 PM, Elliott Chapin wrote:
Are you actually running an FC11 version?
no, i downloaded the fc7 (latest) from their site.
i am not aware of a more current option.
Here you go:
sudo wget -O /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-skype http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD66B746E
sudo wget -O /etc/yum.repo.d/skype.repo http://fedorasolved.org/multimedia-solutions/skype.repo
sudo yum install skype
Enjoy,
MK
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On 08/26/2009 12:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture & audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
A new beta, which supports pulseaudio, is available:
http://www.skype.com/intl/es/download/skype/linux/?cm_mmc=PAIDS%7CGAWS-_-AME...
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 09:50 -0700, Joel Gomberg wrote:
On 08/26/2009 12:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture & audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
A new beta, which supports pulseaudio, is available:
http://www.skype.com/intl/es/download/skype/linux/?cm_mmc=PAIDS%7CGAWS-_-AME...
For those who can't read Spanish, the direct link is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-fc10 (also -fc9, but not -f11).
I'll be testing it with interest as I currently have to use my wife's Mac to get video calls with Skype.
poc
I just got success with what the Skype site calls Fedora 7 (file is *fc5*). I'm on an Acer Aspire 1. I took the advice pointed to from here and set Skype's audio devices to HDA, but also used the Gnome mixer to boost the mic's. This probably is not important: because of music experiments I'm using CCRMA packages - realtime kernel, their Jack, etc.
On 08/27/2009 01:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 09:50 -0700, Joel Gomberg wrote:
On 08/26/2009 12:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture& audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
A new beta, which supports pulseaudio, is available:
http://www.skype.com/intl/es/download/skype/linux/?cm_mmc=PAIDS%7CGAWS-_-AME...
For those who can't read Spanish, the direct link is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-fc10 (also -fc9, but not -f11).
I'll be testing it with interest as I currently have to use my wife's Mac to get video calls with Skype.
poc
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 12:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 09:50 -0700, Joel Gomberg wrote:
On 08/26/2009 12:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture & audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
A new beta, which supports pulseaudio, is available:
http://www.skype.com/intl/es/download/skype/linux/?cm_mmc=PAIDS%7CGAWS-_-AME...
For those who can't read Spanish, the direct link is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-fc10 (also -fc9, but not -f11).
I'll be testing it with interest as I currently have to use my wife's Mac to get video calls with Skype.
No luck I'm afraid:
$ ldd /usr/bin/skype linux-gate.so.1 => (0xf7ff2000) libasound.so.2 => /lib/libasound.so.2 (0x00b1c000) libXv.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXv.so.1 (0xf7fc1000) libXss.so.1 => not found librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0x005fd000) libQtDBus.so.4 => not found libQtGui.so.4 => not found libQtNetwork.so.4 => not found libQtCore.so.4 => not found libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x0037f000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00666000) libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00355000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x005ad000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x001db000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x0034e000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x0047c000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00832000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x001b7000) libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 (0x005da000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x005f8000)
So it looks like F11 is out.
poc
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On 08/27/2009 12:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 09:50 -0700, Joel Gomberg wrote:
On 08/26/2009 12:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture & audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
A new beta, which supports pulseaudio, is available:
http://www.skype.com/intl/es/download/skype/linux/?cm_mmc=PAIDS%7CGAWS-_-AME...
For those who can't read Spanish, the direct link is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-fc10 (also -fc9, but not -f11).
I'll be testing it with interest as I currently have to use my wife's Mac to get video calls with Skype.
poc
It's working very nicely on my F11 box.
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Steve
On 08/27/2009 10:27 AM, Steven Stern wrote:
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On 08/27/2009 12:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 09:50 -0700, Joel Gomberg wrote:
On 08/26/2009 12:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture& audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
A new beta, which supports pulseaudio, is available:
http://www.skype.com/intl/es/download/skype/linux/?cm_mmc=PAIDS%7CGAWS-_-AME...
For those who can't read Spanish, the direct link is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-fc10 (also -fc9, but not -f11).
I'll be testing it with interest as I currently have to use my wife's Mac to get video calls with Skype.
poc
It's working very nicely on my F11 box.
Mine, too, up to a point. If you're running x86_64, make sure that you've got:
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.20-2.fc11.i586 pulseaudio-libs-0.9.15-14.fc11.i586
These are the listed software requirements:
* Software requirements * Qt 4.2.1+ * D-Bus 1.0.0 * libasound2 1.0.12 * PulseAudio 0.9.10+ (optional) * PulseAudio 0.9.15+ (optional recommended)
My webcam isn't working with the new beta. It stopped working a few months ago, probably because of a kernel update.
The only sound option available is pulseaudio server [local]. I'm unable to specify one sound card for the incoming ring and another for my headset.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:51:52PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
For those who can't read Spanish, the direct link is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-fc10 (also -fc9, but not -f11).
I'll be testing it with interest as I currently have to use my wife's Mac to get video calls with Skype.
No luck I'm afraid:
$ ldd /usr/bin/skype linux-gate.so.1 => (0xf7ff2000) libasound.so.2 => /lib/libasound.so.2 (0x00b1c000) libXv.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXv.so.1 (0xf7fc1000) libXss.so.1 => not found librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0x005fd000) libQtDBus.so.4 => not found libQtGui.so.4 => not found libQtNetwork.so.4 => not found libQtCore.so.4 => not found libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x0037f000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00666000) libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00355000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x005ad000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x001db000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x0034e000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x0047c000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00832000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x001b7000) libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 (0x005da000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x005f8000)
So it looks like F11 is out.
It's dependency list must be wrong, I have all those under F11 (I did not install or ldd skype):
# for i in libXss.so.1 libQtDBus.so.4 libQtGui.so.4 libQtNetwork.so.4 \ libQtCore.so.4 ; do rpm -q -f /usr/lib/$i; done libXScrnSaver-1.1.3-2.fc11.i586 qt-4.5.2-2.fc11.i586 qt-x11-4.5.2-2.fc11.i586 qt-4.5.2-2.fc11.i586 qt-4.5.2-2.fc11.i586
-- Patrick Mansfield
Joel Gomberg wrote:
On 08/26/2009 12:34 PM, jack craig wrote:
Hi folks,
After the base sw install, i am getting audio capture & audio playback errors when i try to make a test call.
A new beta, which supports pulseaudio, is available:
http://www.skype.com/intl/es/download/skype/linux/?cm_mmc=PAIDS%7CGAWS-_-AME...
And in English:
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/?cm_mmc=PAIDS%7CGAWS-_-AME... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Which is worse: ignorance or apathy? I don't know. Who cares? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 10:51 -0700, Patrick Mansfield wrote:
So it looks like F11 is out.
It's dependency list must be wrong, I have all those under F11 (I did not install or ldd skype):
# for i in libXss.so.1 libQtDBus.so.4 libQtGui.so.4 libQtNetwork.so.4 \ libQtCore.so.4 ; do rpm -q -f /usr/lib/$i; done libXScrnSaver-1.1.3-2.fc11.i586 qt-4.5.2-2.fc11.i586 qt-x11-4.5.2-2.fc11.i586 qt-4.5.2-2.fc11.i586 qt-4.5.2-2.fc11.i586
None of those exist on my x86_64 system. However the /usr/lib64 equivalents do exist, so the dependency list must indeed be wrong. I'll try installing the 32-bit libs and see what happens.
poc
i was able to install fine, its the hardware connection, audio capture playback that is so far failing to work...
On 08/26/2009 07:36 PM, Markus Kesaromous wrote:
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:49:46 -0400 From: echapin@teksavvy.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Skype on FC11 ?
I had just wondered if the repo URL you showed us might list something more recent than mentioned on their download page. The repo page did not permit me direct access.
On 08/26/2009 09:22 PM, jack craig wrote:
On 08/26/2009 04:13 PM, Elliott Chapin wrote:
Are you actually running an FC11 version?
no, i downloaded the fc7 (latest) from their site.
i am not aware of a more current option.
Here you go:
sudo wget -O /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-skype http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD66B746E
sudo wget -O /etc/yum.repo.d/skype.repo http://fedorasolved.org/multimedia-solutions/skype.repo
sudo yum install skype
Enjoy,
MK
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sudo wget -O /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-skype
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD66B746E
sudo wget -O /etc/yum.repo.d/skype.repo http://fedorasolved.org/multimedia-solutions/skype.repo
Also, have you tried Skype for MID, yet? I think the version is 3.0.0.93, but I'm not sure whether that's in the same version # scheme as regular Skype. It's a modifed client intended for Linux MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices).
* http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-mid
I am running it now, on Fedora 11, and it works pretty well with my Logitech QuickCam 9000 USB. It seems to like PulseAudio, after I uncommented and changed some settings.
* high-priority = yes * nice-level = 3 * default-fragments = 8 * default-fragment-size-msec = 5
You may not need all of those, I'm not 100% sure which ones solved my problems. (Basically, I was getting sound so choppy that it sounded like short, sharp bursts of static--totally unusable.) After changing settings, do a `killall pulseaudio`, and then restart your client apps (pulseaudio should be automatically restarted when a client requests it).
I haven't gotten around to making an F11 RPM spec file, yet, but the manual installation is dead simple:
* Untar to '/usr/share/skype/', * copy the 'skype' script 'skype.bin' binary executables to '/usr/bin', and * edit the 'skype' script so that it points to the correct binary path
There are a few missing features in MID, but I haven't missed them.
-Ryan
Hi Randy,
I was not aware of this option, but it does sound good. if it works for fc11, maybe it will work on moblin?! :O
i suspect i should remove the current skype install before trying this pkg, ?? in the below parameter changes, where did you make those? the skype gui or direct file edits?
Thx for this option! jackc...
On 08/28/2009 10:11 AM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
sudo wget -O /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-skype
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD66B746E
sudo wget -O /etc/yum.repo.d/skype.repo http://fedorasolved.org/multimedia-solutions/skype.repo
Also, have you tried Skype for MID, yet? I think the version is 3.0.0.93, but I'm not sure whether that's in the same version # scheme as regular Skype. It's a modifed client intended for Linux MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices).
I am running it now, on Fedora 11, and it works pretty well with my Logitech QuickCam 9000 USB. It seems to like PulseAudio, after I uncommented and changed some settings.
- high-priority = yes
- nice-level = 3
- default-fragments = 8
- default-fragment-size-msec = 5
You may not need all of those, I'm not 100% sure which ones solved my problems. (Basically, I was getting sound so choppy that it sounded like short, sharp bursts of static--totally unusable.) After changing settings, do a `killall pulseaudio`, and then restart your client apps (pulseaudio should be automatically restarted when a client requests it).
I haven't gotten around to making an F11 RPM spec file, yet, but the manual installation is dead simple:
- Untar to '/usr/share/skype/',
- copy the 'skype' script 'skype.bin' binary executables to '/usr/bin', and
- edit the 'skype' script so that it points to the correct binary path
There are a few missing features in MID, but I haven't missed them.
-Ryan
i guess i muffed this one?
1. i removed the skype.fc10 2. i extracted the tarball to /usr/share/skype (note that i moved skype-3.0.0.93/* to /usr/share/skype/..) 3. i coped the skype script to /usr/bin and updated it to be, ...
*#!/bin/sh # Configure this with paths that suit you. The default should work if you run ./skype from the current directory. # # Example: # LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype/Qt4.4:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./skype.bin # cd /usr/share/skype; LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./skype.bin $**
4. i also copied /usr/share/skype/skype.bin to /usr/bin/.
But! after launch, i put in my passwd and it comes back with, 'unable to access skype data files'.
does my error jump out at you?
tia, jackc...
On 08/28/2009 10:11 AM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
sudo wget -O /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-skype
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD66B746E
sudo wget -O /etc/yum.repo.d/skype.repo http://fedorasolved.org/multimedia-solutions/skype.repo
Also, have you tried Skype for MID, yet? I think the version is 3.0.0.93, but I'm not sure whether that's in the same version # scheme as regular Skype. It's a modifed client intended for Linux MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices).
I am running it now, on Fedora 11, and it works pretty well with my Logitech QuickCam 9000 USB. It seems to like PulseAudio, after I uncommented and changed some settings.
- high-priority = yes
- nice-level = 3
- default-fragments = 8
- default-fragment-size-msec = 5
You may not need all of those, I'm not 100% sure which ones solved my problems. (Basically, I was getting sound so choppy that it sounded like short, sharp bursts of static--totally unusable.) After changing settings, do a `killall pulseaudio`, and then restart your client apps (pulseaudio should be automatically restarted when a client requests it).
I haven't gotten around to making an F11 RPM spec file, yet, but the manual installation is dead simple:
- Untar to '/usr/share/skype/',
- copy the 'skype' script 'skype.bin' binary executables to '/usr/bin', and
- edit the 'skype' script so that it points to the correct binary path
There are a few missing features in MID, but I haven't missed them.
-Ryan
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:15, jack craigjackc@linuxlighthouse.com wrote:
i guess i muffed this one?
- i removed the skype.fc10
- i extracted the tarball to /usr/share/skype (note that i moved
skype-3.0.0.93/* to /usr/share/skype/..) 3. i coped the skype script to /usr/bin and updated it to be, ...
#!/bin/sh # Configure this with paths that suit you. The default should work if you run ./skype from the current directory. # # Example: # LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype/Qt4.4:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./skype.bin # cd /usr/share/skype; LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./skype.bin $*
- i also copied /usr/share/skype/skype.bin to /usr/bin/.
But! after launch, i put in my passwd and it comes back with, 'unable to access skype data files'.
does my error jump out at you?
Hmm... You're using a different modification than what I meant. Here's what I have in my '/usr/bin/skype' script:
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/bin/skype.bin $*
If I had to guess, I'd say that the LD_LIBRARY_PATH setting is where 'skype.bin' looks for its config file (which should be at '/usr/share/skype/skype.conf', based on how we both did your installations). So I don't know that changing to my usage will work for you--try it, see what happens.
-R
updating to use, ...
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/bin/skype.bin $*
and /usr/share/skype looks like, ...
drwxr-xr-x. 10 1000 users 4096 2009-01-07 08:15 . drwxr-xr-x. 276 root root 12288 2009-08-28 10:47 .. drwxr-xr-x. 2 1000 users 4096 2008-11-12 04:19 accessible drwxr-xr-x. 2 1000 users 4096 2008-11-12 04:19 avatars drwxr-xr-x. 2 1000 users 4096 2008-11-12 04:19 codecs drwxr-xr-x. 2 1000 users 4096 2008-11-12 04:19 icons drwxr-xr-x. 2 1000 users 4096 2008-11-12 04:19 imageformats drwxr-xr-x. 2 1000 users 4096 2008-11-12 04:19 inputmethods drwxr-xr-x. 2 1000 users 4096 2008-11-12 04:19 lang -rw-r--r--. 1 1000 users 1893640 2008-11-12 04:19 libQtCore.so.4 -rw-r--r--. 1 1000 users 7672856 2008-11-12 04:19 libQtGui.so.4 -rw-r--r--. 1 1000 users 556172 2008-11-12 04:19 libQtNetwork.so.4 -rw-r--r--. 1 1000 users 1387 2008-11-12 04:19 LICENSE.RtAudio -rw-r--r--. 1 1000 users 2388 2009-01-07 08:02 README -rwxr-xr-x. 1 1000 users 260 2008-11-12 04:19 skype -rwxr-xr-x. 1 1000 users 13388548 2008-11-12 04:19 skype.bin -rw-r--r--. 1 1000 users 453 2008-11-12 04:19 skype.conf -rw-r--r--. 1 1000 users 161 2008-11-12 04:19 skype.desktop drwxr-xr-x. 2 1000 users 4096 2008-11-12 04:19 sounds
even with a chown to my user, i get unable to access skype data files.
is the source open anywhere?
thx again, jackc...
On 08/28/2009 02:51 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:15, jack craigjackc@linuxlighthouse.com wrote:
i guess i muffed this one?
- i removed the skype.fc10
- i extracted the tarball to /usr/share/skype (note that i moved
skype-3.0.0.93/* to /usr/share/skype/..) 3. i coped the skype script to /usr/bin and updated it to be, ...
#!/bin/sh # Configure this with paths that suit you. The default should work if you run ./skype from the current directory. # # Example: # LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype/Qt4.4:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./skype.bin # cd /usr/share/skype; LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./skype.bin $*
- i also copied /usr/share/skype/skype.bin to /usr/bin/.
But! after launch, i put in my passwd and it comes back with, 'unable to access skype data files'.
does my error jump out at you?
Hmm... You're using a different modification than what I meant. Here's what I have in my '/usr/bin/skype' script:
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/bin/skype.bin $*
If I had to guess, I'd say that the LD_LIBRARY_PATH setting is where 'skype.bin' looks for its config file (which should be at '/usr/share/skype/skype.conf', based on how we both did your installations). So I don't know that changing to my usage will work for you--try it, see what happens.
-R
ok, one step closer; i used strace and found the leftover ~/.Skype/...
moving that aside, got me a login, but how did you test your audio playback/capture as mind is failing on the test call...
thx!
On 08/28/2009 02:51 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:15, jack craigjackc@linuxlighthouse.com wrote:
i guess i muffed this one?
- i removed the skype.fc10
- i extracted the tarball to /usr/share/skype (note that i moved
skype-3.0.0.93/* to /usr/share/skype/..) 3. i coped the skype script to /usr/bin and updated it to be, ...
#!/bin/sh # Configure this with paths that suit you. The default should work if you run ./skype from the current directory. # # Example: # LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype/Qt4.4:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./skype.bin # cd /usr/share/skype; LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./skype.bin $*
- i also copied /usr/share/skype/skype.bin to /usr/bin/.
But! after launch, i put in my passwd and it comes back with, 'unable to access skype data files'.
does my error jump out at you?
Hmm... You're using a different modification than what I meant. Here's what I have in my '/usr/bin/skype' script:
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/share/skype:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/bin/skype.bin $*
If I had to guess, I'd say that the LD_LIBRARY_PATH setting is where 'skype.bin' looks for its config file (which should be at '/usr/share/skype/skype.conf', based on how we both did your installations). So I don't know that changing to my usage will work for you--try it, see what happens.
-R
Is there an alternative to skype for F11 Roger
Is there an alternative to skype for F11 Roger
Roger wrote:
Is there an alternative to skype for F11
Skype uses a proprietary system that isn't an open standard.
There are lots of H.323 and/or SIP clients available (e.g. Ekiga), that can access services that do dialup and such and can offer phone numbers for your computer. Try googling "voip clients +fedora" and "sip clients +fedora" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - To err is human, to forgive, beyond the scope of the OS - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just got skype working on Fedora 11 - had a few set up issues to start. bit of fiddling to get the test call to work. Had to set and apply the <Options><Sound Devices> to HDA Intel (hw:Intel,0) for sound in, sound out and Ringing then set 'Allow skype to automatically adjust my mixer'. I don't have a sound card, just what's on the MB.
Roger
Thanks Rick It seems they all charge like wounded bulls at sunset for contacting standard phones.
I yum installed ekiga and then when I read they, AOL and others charge by the minute for everything I yum removed 'cause it works out $5 for same call that Telstra charges $2 for -- more expensive than Telstra. Unless I read the info wrong?
I'd rather not use skype however. Roger
On 08/29/2009 10:36 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
Roger wrote:
Is there an alternative to skype for F11
Skype uses a proprietary system that isn't an open standard.
There are lots of H.323 and/or SIP clients available (e.g. Ekiga), that can access services that do dialup and such and can offer phone numbers for your computer. Try googling "voip clients +fedora" and "sip clients +fedora"
- Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks@nerd.com -
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On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 15:07 -0700, jack craig wrote:
is the source open anywhere?
It's a closed source application. That, and the various discovered nasties (never mind the ones that haven't, yet, been discovered, because it's closed source), are why it's not well regarded here.
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 17:54 +0930, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 15:07 -0700, jack craig wrote:
is the source open anywhere?
It's a closed source application. That, and the various discovered nasties (never mind the ones that haven't, yet, been discovered, because it's closed source), are why it's not well regarded here.
Not to defend Skype, but let's keep a sense of proportion. Is the *phone system* open source? Is it free from bugging?
(BTW there is no evidence to suggest that Skype conversations can be overheard, as long as both ends are secured. That doesn't mean they can't be, but the balance of probabilities seems to be against it for the time being. Note that traffic analysis is another matter).
poc
On 08/30/2009 06:24 PM, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 15:07 -0700, jack craig wrote:
is the source open anywhere?
It's a closed source application. That, and the various discovered nasties (never mind the ones that haven't, yet, been discovered, because it's closed source), are why it's not well regarded here.
Regardless, its what people use and Open Source doesn't communicate with it without pain. Ekiga won't let me talk to the people I need to talk to. I need alternatives and haven't got the time to search for them.
Skype charges 31 cents to dial and talk on a land line phone for as long as you like. AOL which somehow arrived thru Ekiga/Aim charges 17 cents per minute, - Greed exemplified.
There is an app that supposedly lets Ekiga talk to skype but the cost for domestic -to phone- calls is not on their page. I use only Open Source but for the next 3 years I need to talk to certain people so closed source becomes my grudging alternative.
<Rant - Gripe> I am annoyed with skype and I haven't used it yet. Why? ---Because it doesn't find 5 people with skype names in it's database who have used it for the last 5+ years. These have long time skype addresses but which cannot be entered in to my contact list. This is crap. ---Because, while sound works I can't hear or talk to callers. This apparently because skype doesn't talk through alsa only through OSS -- yes I have alsa-oss installed according to Yum ---Because skype help is not helpful. </Rant - Gripe>
Open source please. Has anyone got skype working on Fedora 11? I thought I did but was wrong. Roger
On Sunday 30 August 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 17:54 +0930, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 15:07 -0700, jack craig wrote:
is the source open anywhere?
It's a closed source application. That, and the various discovered nasties (never mind the ones that haven't, yet, been discovered, because it's closed source), are why it's not well regarded here.
Not to defend Skype, but let's keep a sense of proportion. Is the *phone system* open source? Is it free from bugging?
(BTW there is no evidence to suggest that Skype conversations can be overheard, as long as both ends are secured. That doesn't mean they can't be, but the balance of probabilities seems to be against it for the time being. Note that traffic analysis is another matter).
poc
Sorry Patrick, but our govco snoops have been bragging they have skype decoded now for about 2 years. And I assume skype has been changing things too, but whatever one group can do, another group can undo. Its just the nature of the internet for that to happen. I don't have the talent to decode it, but there are plenty who do.
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 21:33 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
Sorry Patrick, but our govco snoops have been bragging they have skype decoded now for about 2 years.
If by "decoded" you mean "payload encryption broken routinely without the use of keyloggers or Trojans", do you have a reference?
And I assume skype has been changing things too, but whatever one group can do, another group can undo. Its just the nature of the internet for that to happen.
That's a seductive generalization, but it *is* a generalization. It's meaningless without more specificity. For example, crypto is entirely based on one group doing something which another group cannot undo with any realistic set of resources. Yes, crypto can be poorly implemented (which is a big argument in favour of open source) but it can also be extremely secure if done right. Is it done right in Skype? I don't know, but to date I know of no evidence to suggest it has problems. I'd be interested to hear if you have any.
poc
On Monday 31 August 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 21:33 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
Sorry Patrick, but our govco snoops have been bragging they have skype decoded now for about 2 years.
If by "decoded" you mean "payload encryption broken routinely without the use of keyloggers or Trojans", do you have a reference?
And I assume skype has been changing things too, but whatever one group can do, another group can undo. Its just the nature of the internet for that to happen.
That's a seductive generalization, but it *is* a generalization. It's meaningless without more specificity. For example, crypto is entirely based on one group doing something which another group cannot undo with any realistic set of resources. Yes, crypto can be poorly implemented (which is a big argument in favour of open source) but it can also be extremely secure if done right. Is it done right in Skype? I don't know, but to date I know of no evidence to suggest it has problems. I'd be interested to hear if you have any.
poc
Search on /. for skype & spooks. Or if you are really confident, use it to plan blowing something up on the 9/11/01 anniversary but plan to have your plans interrupted.
Also, there is another attack that was discussed just in the last 36 hours or so, where a compromised machine makes an mp3 out of your conversation, and then mails it someplace. Presumably a winderz box I imagine. Hopefully us linux folks have enough sense to not let that happen.
I used skype a few times when I was in upstate MI for a while, mainly cuz the telco's up there think long distance is worth 41 cents a damned minute, just to call a business 7 miles down the road. Those I could put on expenses, but by the time I bought a card, and dialed about 30 damned numbers without a typu, it simply wasn't worth it. Everybody up there has a cellphone, so I bought the nationwide plan when it became obvious that was the only way to have working communications. The echos, dropouts and lags in skype were so bad it was impossible to carry on an intelligent conversation with anyone. Now I'm glad, and echelon gets to listen to my drivel in what passes for cellphone hifi. And I expect they _do_ listen to what I say, or write as my presence on another mailing list, where there is only one rule, and that is that there are not any rules. That right there should give anyone who wants to, enough info to find that list. We're a bunch of miss-fits and we have a ball at times tweaking the establishments collective noses. We have realized that old saying is true, that when you need the police in seconds, they are just minutes away.
Like the sign on Chuck Norris's front porch says, we don't dial 911.
2009/8/31 Gene Heskett gene.heskett@verizon.net:
Search on /. for skype & spooks. Or if you are really confident, use it to plan blowing something up on the 9/11/01 anniversary but plan to have your plans interrupted.
Also, there is another attack that was discussed just in the last 36 hours or so, where a compromised machine makes an mp3 out of your conversation, and then mails it someplace. Presumably a winderz box I imagine. Hopefully us linux folks have enough sense to not let that happen.
Hi,
I'm missing the particular information how have they "decoded" Skype, please give us a link or something. AFAIK Skype is using RSA for key negotiation, so it will be much bigger technological breakout if the gov manages to decrypt the data in a reasonable time. We all know about the supercomputers, ingenious scientists, UFO technologies and so, but for me the authorities are still just blindly raising fears in the normal internet users.
Attack such as the second can be done on every single computer program and I don't think we must assume it's against Skype. If somebody steals your GMail password with a trojan, I don't think it's a weakness in the security of Google's product.
Cheers,
Georgi
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 10:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Not to defend Skype, but let's keep a sense of proportion. Is the *phone system* open source?
That would depend on your level of electronics knowledge... But it doesn't matter, how to use the phone, isn't a guarded secret. You can plug just about any phone into the wall, and it works. You can even build your own, if you're so inclined. Years ago I built a speakerphone because I wanted a full duplex one without crappy squelch or feedback.
Is it free from bugging?
Mostly impossible for the average person to listen to your calls.
I don't really care whether the government snoops on my dead boring conversations, so long as their agents don't abuse their ability to do so. Likewise for the telecom techs (which they have been known to do).
I have had one peculiar phone incident, many years ago. I answered the phone to hear someone play back a recording of me answering my phone, then it hung up. None of my friends stirred me about it later, so I don't think it was a practical joke. Darned if I can guess what the point of it was.
I don't care whether a phone tap that stops drug dealers, etc., is illegal or not. In the choice between stop them, or try to prosecute but perhaps fail, I'd vote for stop them.
(BTW there is no evidence to suggest that Skype conversations can be overheard, as long as both ends are secured. That doesn't mean they can't be, but the balance of probabilities seems to be against it for the time being. Note that traffic analysis is another matter).
Traffic analysis might be enough to be a concern, depending on what you're doing. Trojans, and other malware might be a concern. I wouldn't like to find out that using VOIP would be yet another avenue of computer hacking.
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 02:04 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 31 August 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 21:33 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
Sorry Patrick, but our govco snoops have been bragging they have skype decoded now for about 2 years.
If by "decoded" you mean "payload encryption broken routinely without the use of keyloggers or Trojans", do you have a reference?
And I assume skype has been changing things too, but whatever one group can do, another group can undo. Its just the nature of the internet for that to happen.
That's a seductive generalization, but it *is* a generalization. It's meaningless without more specificity. For example, crypto is entirely based on one group doing something which another group cannot undo with any realistic set of resources. Yes, crypto can be poorly implemented (which is a big argument in favour of open source) but it can also be extremely secure if done right. Is it done right in Skype? I don't know, but to date I know of no evidence to suggest it has problems. I'd be interested to hear if you have any.
poc
Search on /. for skype & spooks. Or if you are really confident, use it to plan blowing something up on the 9/11/01 anniversary but plan to have your plans interrupted.
So that would be "no, I don't have a reference to our govco snoops bragging they have skype decoded". I did search on /. and found a number of articles referring to rumours, both that Skype has a back-door, and that the NSA is offering large sums to anyone who can break Skype. It seems unlikely that both are true.
Also, there is another attack that was discussed just in the last 36 hours or so, where a compromised machine makes an mp3 out of your conversation, and then mails it someplace. Presumably a winderz box I imagine. Hopefully us linux folks have enough sense to not let that happen.
As I said, compromising the end-user's machine doesn't count. Also, Skype-to-phone doesn't count either as you can just bug the phone system.
I used skype a few times when I was in upstate MI for a while, mainly cuz the telco's up there think long distance is worth 41 cents a damned minute, just to call a business 7 miles down the road.
[...]
I use Skype every week to keep in touch with my family, now spread over three continents. Could I get them all to install some other VOIP app? Maybe, but none of them are technically minded and I just don't want the hassle. Besides, we use other means to discuss our plans for World Domination.
poc
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 21:54 +0930, Tim wrote:
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 10:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Not to defend Skype, but let's keep a sense of proportion. Is the *phone system* open source?
That would depend on your level of electronics knowledge... But it doesn't matter, how to use the phone, isn't a guarded secret. You can plug just about any phone into the wall, and it works. You can even build your own, if you're so inclined. Years ago I built a speakerphone because I wanted a full duplex one without crappy squelch or feedback.
You're talking about the CPE (Customer Premises Equipment). The CPE is not the phone system, which is choc-a-bloc with highly proprietary systems, both hardware and software. Nobody cares unless it breaks down. (Please don't take this as an argument against open source).
Is it free from bugging?
Mostly impossible for the average person to listen to your calls.
I thought we were talking about government agencies here.
[...]
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan:
You're talking about the CPE (Customer Premises Equipment). The CPE is not the phone system, which is choc-a-bloc with highly proprietary systems, both hardware and software. Nobody cares unless it breaks down. (Please don't take this as an argument against open source).
And which part of a phone system would a user be wanting to run customised on their own premises? The phone, not the exchange. People run skype, and its ilk, to have an alternative phone in their hot little hands.
Even then, the protocols involved in telephony aren't that well a guarded secret.
Is it free from bugging?
Mostly impossible for the average person to listen to your calls.
I thought we were talking about government agencies here.
I think that came up later in the thread. Let's face it, you can't stop the government snooping on you, if they really want to. Not unless you live in a sound proofed, and electrically isolated Faraday cage. If it proved hard to tap your phone, they'd simply bug the room.
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 13:13:44 +0930, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
I think that came up later in the thread. Let's face it, you can't stop the government snooping on you, if they really want to. Not unless you live in a sound proofed, and electrically isolated Faraday cage. If it proved hard to tap your phone, they'd simply bug the room.
But you can raise the cost, to reduce incentive to snoop on everyone instead of just people of interest (currently).
until this actual attempt to use it, i had assumed it was open source.
as its not, i dont expect i will use it; someone else had asked me to try it.
i found most of my earlier issues were with install issues that weren't immediately obvious, now i seem to have sound via PA and i get no errors on a test call.
i just want to verify i can make a call and will probly set it aside; i am not a supporter/user of closed source.
thx for your time to reply, jackc...
On 08/30/2009 01:24 AM, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 15:07 -0700, jack craig wrote:
is the source open anywhere?
It's a closed source application. That, and the various discovered nasties (never mind the ones that haven't, yet, been discovered, because it's closed source), are why it's not well regarded here.
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 13:13 +0930, Tim wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan:
You're talking about the CPE (Customer Premises Equipment). The CPE is not the phone system, which is choc-a-bloc with highly proprietary systems, both hardware and software. Nobody cares unless it breaks down. (Please don't take this as an argument against open source).
And which part of a phone system would a user be wanting to run customised on their own premises? The phone, not the exchange. People run skype, and its ilk, to have an alternative phone in their hot little hands.
Make the equation phone==PC, Skype infrastructure==phone system. The doubts about Skype security are not focussed on what's running in your PC but on what Skype might be doing in their cloud.
You can hack your phone because it has no security at all, but you have no idea what's going on the phone system except that you know for a fact that government agencies (and possibly others) can tap into it.
You can't hack Skype (easily) because it's a proprietary black box, and you also have no idea what's going on in the Skype cloud, but there are some unconfirmed rumours that some people might be able to tap into it.
The point of my original post was that people complaining about Skype security should consider whether the normal phone system is secure.
Obviously, comparing either of them with a well-designed, open source, end-to-end secure system is a different kettle of fish. SIP *may* be the basis of such a system, but it's worth noting that many implementations, including Ekiga, offer *no encryption at all*.
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