Good afternoon,
Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by Thunderbird. This is even though I whitelisted "From" = "users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org". Actually, I have this problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? Surely messages from this list are not junk!
thanks, Bill.
On 07/23/2015 12:00 PM, William wrote:
Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by Thunderbird. This is even though I whitelisted "From" = "users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org". Actually, I have this problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? Surely messages from this list are not junk!
No they're not, and don't call me Shirley!
Seriously, I've gotten rid of that issue by whitelisting any message where the To: field contains users@lists.fedoraproject.org and haven't had one drop into the Junk folder since.
Good afternoon,
On 07/23/2015 03:00 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by Thunderbird. This is even though I whitelisted "From" = "users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org". Actually, I have this problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? Surely messages from this list are not junk!
thanks, Bill.
My original message was vague; my apologies. The Fedora list messages were not being put into the "Bulk Mail" folder. Rather, they were being flagged with a little "flame" symbol in the inbox table of contents, and between the message header and the message body. Clicking the "Not Junk" button clears that flame symbol, but it reappears again shortly after. Also, not all fedora list messages are flagged with the flame symbol; but most are. I see no pattern as to which are and which are not.
Seriously, I've gotten rid of that issue by whitelisting any message where the To: field contains users@lists.fedoraproject.org and haven't had one drop into the Junk folder since.
Thank-you.
I tried that. No change; same behavior. It also doesn't matter when I set the filter to be run. I checked for other user filters; there are none. I have several e-mail accounts in Thunderbird, but this problem shows up only for Fedora list messages, and only in the one e-mail account that I use for the Fedora list. If I recall correctly, this problem started showing up in late spring. Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Is there something in the Fedora list message headers that is bugging Thunderbird's spam-checking code, and can be adjusted? This seems to not be a Thunderbird issue and not a Fedora issue, but a Fedora list issue.
thanks, Bill.
On 07/28/2015 11:17 AM, William wrote:
I tried that. No change; same behavior. It also doesn't matter when I set the filter to be run. I checked for other user filters; there are none. I have several e-mail accounts in Thunderbird, but this problem shows up only for Fedora list messages, and only in the one e-mail account that I use for the Fedora list. If I recall correctly, this problem started showing up in late spring. Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Is there something in the Fedora list message headers that is bugging Thunderbird's spam-checking code, and can be adjusted? This seems to not be a Thunderbird issue and not a Fedora issue, but a Fedora list issue.
Try this: remove the filter completely and close the list of filters. Then, reopen the list and create a new filter, giving it a different name and typing in the email address from scratch instead of using Copy/Paste. It sounds a tad heavy-handed, but there's a possibility that there's a non-printing character stuck in there that's fscking things up.
Back when I did Windows support for an ISP, there were times that simply removing and replacing the user's password for Dial-Up didn't work. Having the caller use the Backspace key to remove the password and holding it down for at least a second after the box was cleared did. No, I don't know if there were invisible characters there, but it's as good an explanation as any.
On 07/28/2015 02:17 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
On 07/23/2015 03:00 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by Thunderbird. This is even though I whitelisted "From" = "users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org". Actually, I have this problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? Surely messages from this list are not junk!
thanks, Bill.
My original message was vague; my apologies. The Fedora list messages were not being put into the "Bulk Mail" folder. Rather, they were being flagged with a little "flame" symbol in the inbox table of contents, and between the message header and the message body. Clicking the "Not Junk" button clears that flame symbol, but it reappears again shortly after. Also, not all fedora list messages are flagged with the flame symbol; but most are. I see no pattern as to which are and which are not.
Seriously, I've gotten rid of that issue by whitelisting any message where the To: field contains users@lists.fedoraproject.org and haven't had one drop into the Junk folder since.
Thank-you.
I tried that. No change; same behavior. It also doesn't matter when I set the filter to be run. I checked for other user filters; there are none. I have several e-mail accounts in Thunderbird, but this problem shows up only for Fedora list messages, and only in the one e-mail account that I use for the Fedora list. If I recall correctly, this problem started showing up in late spring. Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Is there something in the Fedora list message headers that is bugging Thunderbird's spam-checking code, and can be adjusted? This seems to not be a Thunderbird issue and not a Fedora issue, but a Fedora list issue.
thanks, Bill.
Try this: remove the filter completely and close the list of filters. Then, reopen the list and create a new filter, giving it a different name and typing in the email address from scratch instead of using Copy/Paste. It sounds a tad heavy-handed, but there's a possibility that there's a non-printing character stuck in there that's fscking things up.
Thank-you Joe. I tried what you suggested. No change. I also tried deleting *all* the filters, exiting Thunderbird, and re-launching Thunderbird. Still the same behavior. But it sure seemed like a good theory.
I raised this issue because it is unique to the Fedora list, though I experience the problem in both Fedora-21 and Windows-7. I gather from everyone else's silence that I'm the only person experiencing the problem. If I really am the only person affected, we can drop this; it's just a rather minor nuisance.
Bill.
On 07/28/2015 02:25 PM, William wrote:
On 07/28/2015 02:17 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
On 07/23/2015 03:00 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by Thunderbird. This is even though I whitelisted "From" = "users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org". Actually, I have this problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? Surely messages from this list are not junk!
thanks, Bill.
My original message was vague; my apologies. The Fedora list messages were not being put into the "Bulk Mail" folder. Rather, they were being flagged with a little "flame" symbol in the inbox table of contents, and between the message header and the message body. Clicking the "Not Junk" button clears that flame symbol, but it reappears again shortly after. Also, not all fedora list messages are flagged with the flame symbol; but most are. I see no pattern as to which are and which are not.
Seriously, I've gotten rid of that issue by whitelisting any message where the To: field contains users@lists.fedoraproject.org and haven't had one drop into the Junk folder since.
Thank-you.
I tried that. No change; same behavior. It also doesn't matter when I set the filter to be run. I checked for other user filters; there are none. I have several e-mail accounts in Thunderbird, but this problem shows up only for Fedora list messages, and only in the one e-mail account that I use for the Fedora list. If I recall correctly, this problem started showing up in late spring. Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Is there something in the Fedora list message headers that is bugging Thunderbird's spam-checking code, and can be adjusted? This seems to not be a Thunderbird issue and not a Fedora issue, but a Fedora list issue.
thanks, Bill.
Try this: remove the filter completely and close the list of filters. Then, reopen the list and create a new filter, giving it a different name and typing in the email address from scratch instead of using Copy/Paste. It sounds a tad heavy-handed, but there's a possibility that there's a non-printing character stuck in there that's fscking things up.
Thank-you Joe. I tried what you suggested. No change. I also tried deleting *all* the filters, exiting Thunderbird, and re-launching Thunderbird. Still the same behavior. But it sure seemed like a good theory.
I raised this issue because it is unique to the Fedora list, though I experience the problem in both Fedora-21 and Windows-7. I gather from everyone else's silence that I'm the only person experiencing the problem. If I really am the only person affected, we can drop this; it's just a rather minor nuisance.
In Thunderbird, go to:
Edit->Account Settings
Select the "Junk Settings" item under the account you're concerned with, then click on the "Global Junk Preferences" button. In the next window, select the "Junk" tab, then click on the "Reset Training Data" button. You've just wiped out any junk training Thunderbird client has.
When you get new mail, the system won't tag anything as junk unless you click on the "Junk" button. Eventually you'll retrain Thunderbird.
I also have the "Do not automatically mark mail as junk if the sender is in:....Personal Address Book" section of the "Junk Settings" for my account and I've added this list's address in my address book. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - He who laughs last thinks slowest. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 07/28/2015 05:25 PM, William wrote:
On 07/28/2015 02:17 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
On 07/23/2015 03:00 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by Thunderbird. This is even though I whitelisted "From" = "users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org". Actually, I have this problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? Surely messages from this list are not junk!
thanks, Bill.
My original message was vague; my apologies. The Fedora list messages were not being put into the "Bulk Mail" folder. Rather, they were being flagged with a little "flame" symbol in the inbox table of contents, and between the message header and the message body. Clicking the "Not Junk" button clears that flame symbol, but it reappears again shortly after. Also, not all fedora list messages are flagged with the flame symbol; but most are. I see no pattern as to which are and which are not.
Seriously, I've gotten rid of that issue by whitelisting any message where the To: field contains users@lists.fedoraproject.org and haven't had one drop into the Junk folder since.
Thank-you.
I tried that. No change; same behavior. It also doesn't matter when I set the filter to be run. I checked for other user filters; there are none. I have several e-mail accounts in Thunderbird, but this problem shows up only for Fedora list messages, and only in the one e-mail account that I use for the Fedora list. If I recall correctly, this problem started showing up in late spring. Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Is there something in the Fedora list message headers that is bugging Thunderbird's spam-checking code, and can be adjusted? This seems to not be a Thunderbird issue and not a Fedora issue, but a Fedora list issue.
thanks, Bill.
Try this: remove the filter completely and close the list of filters. Then, reopen the list and create a new filter, giving it a different name and typing in the email address from scratch instead of using Copy/Paste. It sounds a tad heavy-handed, but there's a possibility that there's a non-printing character stuck in there that's fscking things up.
Thank-you Joe. I tried what you suggested. No change. I also tried deleting *all* the filters, exiting Thunderbird, and re-launching Thunderbird. Still the same behavior. But it sure seemed like a good theory.
I raised this issue because it is unique to the Fedora list, though I experience the problem in both Fedora-21 and Windows-7. I gather from everyone else's silence that I'm the only person experiencing the problem. If I really am the only person affected, we can drop this; it's just a rather minor nuisance.
Bill.
Rick Stevens said:
In Thunderbird, go to:
Edit->Account Settings
Select the "Junk Settings" item under the account you're concerned with, then click on the "Global Junk Preferences" button. In the next window, select the "Junk" tab, then click on the "Reset Training Data" button. You've just wiped out any junk training Thunderbird client has.
When you get new mail, the system won't tag anything as junk unless you click on the "Junk" button. Eventually you'll retrain Thunderbird.
I also have the "Do not automatically mark mail as junk if the sender is in:....Personal Address Book" section of the "Junk Settings" for my account and I've added this list's address in my address book.
Thank-you Rick. I tried those things, both in Fedora and in Windows. After doing those things, I completely exited Thunderbird and re-launched. No change! Thunderbird keeps on flagging most messages from this group, and only messages from this group, as junk! ...even after I click the "Not Junk" button or use "Message > Mark > As Not Junk".
Bill.
On 07/29/2015 11:59 AM, William wrote:
Thank-you Rick. I tried those things, both in Fedora and in Windows. After doing those things, I completely exited Thunderbird and re-launched. No change! Thunderbird keeps on flagging most messages from this group, and only messages from this group, as junk! ...even after I click the "Not Junk" button or use "Message > Mark > As Not Junk".
Have you tried making a filter that triggers on all messages from the list, runs before Junk Classification and simply stops the filter execution? Doing that works for me; if that's not enough, moving to the top of the list might help.
On 07/29/2015 11:59 AM, William wrote:
On 07/28/2015 05:25 PM, William wrote:
On 07/28/2015 02:17 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
On 07/23/2015 03:00 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by Thunderbird. This is even though I whitelisted "From" = "users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org". Actually, I have this problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? Surely messages from this list are not junk!
thanks, Bill.
My original message was vague; my apologies. The Fedora list messages were not being put into the "Bulk Mail" folder. Rather, they were being flagged with a little "flame" symbol in the inbox table of contents, and between the message header and the message body. Clicking the "Not Junk" button clears that flame symbol, but it reappears again shortly after. Also, not all fedora list messages are flagged with the flame symbol; but most are. I see no pattern as to which are and which are not.
Seriously, I've gotten rid of that issue by whitelisting any message where the To: field contains users@lists.fedoraproject.org and haven't had one drop into the Junk folder since.
Thank-you.
I tried that. No change; same behavior. It also doesn't matter when I set the filter to be run. I checked for other user filters; there are none. I have several e-mail accounts in Thunderbird, but this problem shows up only for Fedora list messages, and only in the one e-mail account that I use for the Fedora list. If I recall correctly, this problem started showing up in late spring. Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Is there something in the Fedora list message headers that is bugging Thunderbird's spam-checking code, and can be adjusted? This seems to not be a Thunderbird issue and not a Fedora issue, but a Fedora list issue.
thanks, Bill.
Try this: remove the filter completely and close the list of filters. Then, reopen the list and create a new filter, giving it a different name and typing in the email address from scratch instead of using Copy/Paste. It sounds a tad heavy-handed, but there's a possibility that there's a non-printing character stuck in there that's fscking things up.
Thank-you Joe. I tried what you suggested. No change. I also tried deleting *all* the filters, exiting Thunderbird, and re-launching Thunderbird. Still the same behavior. But it sure seemed like a good theory.
I raised this issue because it is unique to the Fedora list, though I experience the problem in both Fedora-21 and Windows-7. I gather from everyone else's silence that I'm the only person experiencing the problem. If I really am the only person affected, we can drop this; it's just a rather minor nuisance.
Bill.
Rick Stevens said:
In Thunderbird, go to:
Edit->Account Settings
Select the "Junk Settings" item under the account you're concerned with, then click on the "Global Junk Preferences" button. In the next window, select the "Junk" tab, then click on the "Reset Training Data" button. You've just wiped out any junk training Thunderbird client has.
When you get new mail, the system won't tag anything as junk unless you click on the "Junk" button. Eventually you'll retrain Thunderbird.
I also have the "Do not automatically mark mail as junk if the sender is in:....Personal Address Book" section of the "Junk Settings" for my account and I've added this list's address in my address book.
Thank-you Rick. I tried those things, both in Fedora and in Windows. After doing those things, I completely exited Thunderbird and re-launched. No change! Thunderbird keeps on flagging most messages from this group, and only messages from this group, as junk! ...even after I click the "Not Junk" button or use "Message > Mark > As Not Junk".
Sorry it didn't work. To be honest, that was a shotgun approach to the problem. It's worked for me before on some things but since I'm not having the same issue as you, it's hard to make suggestions.
Looking at Thunderbird's website, make sure that you open messages that are NOT marked as junk and press the upper case "J" (not junk). This helps train Thunderbird to recognize non-junk messages.
Have a look at this link:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-junk-spam-messages
specifically the "Training the junk filter" section. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere, but - - probably not recoverable. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good morning,
On 07/23/2015 01:00 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by Thunderbird. This is even though I whitelisted "From" = "users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org". Actually, I have this problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? Surely messages from this list are not junk!
thanks, Bill.
It's been a long time, but I finally found out the cause of this problem. Matt, one of the Mozilla Thunderbird support moderators, said this:
"Sounds to me like you are using Yahoo IMAP. That is certainly how their spam guard works. It keeps re instating spam statuses."
Matt and a "top 10 contributor" (Zenos) imply that Mozilla cannot do anything about it. It seems the problem is in Yahoo's software, and is solvable by neither us users nor Mozilla. So I'm marking this "CLOSED" (not "SOLVED"). I thank Joe and Rick who tried to help, and Ed who tried to help off-line.
Bill.
On Tue, 2016-07-12 at 09:54 -0600, William wrote:
It's been a long time, but I finally found out the cause of this problem. Matt, one of the Mozilla Thunderbird support moderators, said this:
"Sounds to me like you are using Yahoo IMAP. That is certainly how their spam guard works. It keeps re instating spam statuses."
Matt and a "top 10 contributor" (Zenos) imply that Mozilla cannot do anything about it. It seems the problem is in Yahoo's software, and is solvable by neither us users nor Mozilla. So I'm marking this "CLOSED" (not "SOLVED"). I thank Joe and Rick who tried to help, and Ed who tried to help off-line.
Yes, and gmail... I thought this was answered quite some time ago.
You will have trouble getting a mail client to accept mail as being not-junk when the mail comes with headers that say it is junk. If you were to circumvent that, all externally-determined junk mail is likely to get passed through as not-junk.
You'd need to use a better mail client, that lets you set priorities of what un-junks the spamminess rating. So that certain list headers get a very high rating.
Or, receive your list mail from a different address not served by yahoo or gmail, while realising that choosing a different service that works now, may inherit the same problem at some future time.
Really, a better way to handle mailing lists is a newsgroup server. But I'm less than impressed with the news clients I've tried on Linux, so I've never bothered using the gmane news gateway.
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