What does it mean to see an rpm with a kernel of 2.6.10-1.741_FC3, when we go to a site like http://www.kernel.org and see the latest kernel is at 2.6.10? If one wanted to compile their own kernel from this site, would they be losing fixes/etc. from the "-1.741_FC3" portion?
Thanks, still learning here...
Jeff Stevens wrote:
What does it mean to see an rpm with a kernel of 2.6.10-1.741_FC3, when we go to a site like http://www.kernel.org and see the latest kernel is at 2.6.10?
1.741_FC3 is the Fedora version of the kernel.
Linus Torvalds produces "base" kernels every few months. These days, he doesn't automatically re-release to fix known bugs: he waits until the new features he's been adding have settled down. (That, at least, is the theory).
Alan Cox is currently taking the kernels that Linus Torvalds releases, and providing "-ac" versions that do have the bug fixes and security fixes. There will be a number of these for each release Linus makes: currently, we're on 2.6.10-ac10.
Then Dave Jones adds in a few features that Red Hat wants to see in the kernel, but for various reasons won't go into the Linus kernel (for example, the Exec-Shield patch, and until recently, 4G/4G). That's the Fedora version of the kernel, which gets its own numbering system based on the Red Hat build system. That's the 1.741 bit.
If one wanted to compile their own kernel from this site, would they be losing fixes/etc. from the "-1.741_FC3" portion?
Yes. At the moment, you'd lose *security* fixes.
Use the latest -ac. I am.
James.
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:51:49 +0000, James Wilkinson james@westexe.demon.co.uk wrote:
Jeff Stevens wrote:
What does it mean to see an rpm with a kernel of 2.6.10-1.741_FC3, when we go to a site like http://www.kernel.org and see the latest kernel is at 2.6.10?
James explained the basics pretty well.
For FC3's 2.6.10-1.741_FC3 in particular, if you download the source-RPM (*.src.rpm) and install it, you'll see what's all included with Fedora's kernel in the /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/ directory. Specifically you'll find the offical kernel files (as you would download from kernel.org),
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 36533484 Dec 25 00:24 linux-2.6.10.tar.bz2 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 148560 Jan 13 15:24 patch-2.6.10-ac9.bz2
and about 64 separate patches (*.patch files). The patch files usually have names like "linux-n.n.n-description.path". For example, one of them is called "linux-2.6.9-vm-pageout-throttling.patch".
This means that the patch was originally created against the 2.6.9 kernel (and supposedly is still valid against the 2.6.10 kernel as well), but for whatever reason has not been included in either Linus' branch or in the -ac branch (at least as of -ac9). Sometimes the patch will contain comments at the top which explain it more (patches are just text files so you can view them).
Hello All,
I've just installed FC4 on a new machine that is dual booting with Windows XP. The soundcard and speakers work fine on the Windows side. On the FC4 side, when I test the sound with the soundcard detection program I get this:
The following audio device was detected. Vendor: Intel Model: Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller Module: snd-hda-intel
But when I press the button "Play test sound" I don't hear anything. Volume control on the Gnome panel is turned all the way up as are the other volume controls on the Alsa Mixer widget.
Any suggestions as to how to proceed would be most appreciated!
Jerry
On Wednesday 09 November 2005 20:38, Gerhard Magnus wrote:
Hello All,
Hi Gerhard,
I've just installed FC4 on a new machine that is dual booting with Windows XP. The soundcard and speakers work fine on the Windows side. On the FC4 side, when I test the sound with the soundcard detection program I get this:
The following audio device was detected. Vendor: Intel Model: Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller Module: snd-hda-intel
But when I press the button "Play test sound" I don't hear anything. Volume control on the Gnome panel is turned all the way up as are the other volume controls on the Alsa Mixer widget.
This is a known issue on FC4. What you need to do is open the mixer, and look for the switch "analogue/digital output jack" and turn it on. Then your sound will play just fine. I don't know why it default to the off position, but it's frustrating if you don't know about it.
Anand
Anand Buddhdev arb@anand.org writes:
This is a known issue on FC4. What you need to do is open the mixer, and look for the switch "analogue/digital output jack" and turn it on. Then your sound will play just fine. I don't know why it default to the off position, but it's frustrating if you don't know about it.
Could you please describe it in more detail? I use the GNOME desktop, and have looked for this switch in the
Applications->Sound&Video->Volume Control
tool, but I could not find it. And no, I am not the original poster, I just have the same problem.
Regards Ingemar
On Wednesday 09 November 2005 21:56, Ingemar Nilsson wrote:
Anand Buddhdev arb@anand.org writes:
This is a known issue on FC4. What you need to do is open the mixer, and look for the switch "analogue/digital output jack" and turn it on. Then your sound will play just fine. I don't know why it default to the off position, but it's frustrating if you don't know about it.
Could you please describe it in more detail? I use the GNOME desktop, and have looked for this switch in the
Applications->Sound&Video->Volume Control
tool, but I could not find it. And no, I am not the original poster, I just have the same problem.
I don't use Gnome, so I can't describe the precise steps. I think that if you right click on the little volume control applet in the top right-hand corner, it will give you the choice of opening the mixer.
Alternatively, open a terminal window, and run the program "alsamixer". You'll see a screen with many vertical bars, each representing the volume of a particular channel or component. Use the right arrow key to scroll to the analogue/digital output jack. When you come to it, you'll see that it probably has MM under it. Type the 'M' key on the keyboard to unmute it, and your sound will work.
Anand
I've just installed FC4 on a new machine that is dual booting with Windows XP. The soundcard and speakers work fine on the Windows side. On the FC4 side, when I test the sound with the soundcard detection program I get this:
The following audio device was detected. Vendor: Intel Model: Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller Module: snd-hda-intel
But when I press the button "Play test sound" I don't hear anything. Volume control on the Gnome panel is turned all the way up as are the other volume controls on the Alsa Mixer widget.
This is a known issue on FC4. What you need to do is open the mixer, and look for the switch "analogue/digital output jack" and turn it on. Then your sound will play just fine. I don't know why it default to the off position, but it's frustrating if you don't know about it.
I can't seem to find this "analogue/digital output jack" switch anywhere.
Opening "Volume Control" from the Gnome menu brings up the Alsa Mixer. The playback panel has muting/volume controls for Headphone, PCM, Front, Front Mic, Surround, Center, LFE, Line-in, CD, Microphone, and PC Speaker, all of which are turned on. (I've selected all these displays to be visible from the Mixer "Preferences".)
Running alsamixer from a Terminal window brings up a display with the same entries, none of which are muted.
Both displays also show the channel mode as "2ch" and the two "input source" options as "mic".
So... does anyone know where can I find this analog/digital output jack switch?
Jerry
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 22:28 +0100, Anand Buddhdev wrote:
On Wednesday 09 November 2005 21:56, Ingemar Nilsson wrote:
Anand Buddhdev arb@anand.org writes:
This is a known issue on FC4. What you need to do is open the mixer, and look for the switch "analogue/digital output jack" and turn it on. Then your sound will play just fine. I don't know why it default to the off position, but it's frustrating if you don't know about it.
Could you please describe it in more detail? I use the GNOME desktop, and have looked for this switch in the
Applications->Sound&Video->Volume Control
tool, but I could not find it. And no, I am not the original poster, I just have the same problem.
I don't use Gnome, so I can't describe the precise steps. I think that if you right click on the little volume control applet in the top right-hand corner, it will give you the choice of opening the mixer.
Alternatively, open a terminal window, and run the program "alsamixer". You'll see a screen with many vertical bars, each representing the volume of a particular channel or component. Use the right arrow key to scroll to the analogue/digital output jack. When you come to it, you'll see that it probably has MM under it. Type the 'M' key on the keyboard to unmute it, and your sound will work.
Anand
I still haven't been able to find any analog/digital output switch to un-mute. But what turned out to be successful in fixing this problem was "yum update alsa*"
Jerry
I'll keep that in-mind Gerhard if i come into problems
Mick Wright ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Magnus" magnus@agora.rdrop.com To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: sound problem -- fixed
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 22:28 +0100, Anand Buddhdev wrote:
On Wednesday 09 November 2005 21:56, Ingemar Nilsson wrote:
Anand Buddhdev arb@anand.org writes:
This is a known issue on FC4. What you need to do is open the mixer, and look for the switch "analogue/digital output jack" and turn it on. Then your sound will play just fine. I don't know why it default to the off position, but it's frustrating if you don't know about it.
Could you please describe it in more detail? I use the GNOME desktop, and have looked for this switch in the
Applications->Sound&Video->Volume Control
tool, but I could not find it. And no, I am not the original poster, I just have the same problem.
I don't use Gnome, so I can't describe the precise steps. I think that if you right click on the little volume control applet in the top right-hand corner, it will give you the choice of opening the mixer.
Alternatively, open a terminal window, and run the program "alsamixer". You'll see a screen with many vertical bars, each representing the volume of a particular channel or component. Use the right arrow key to scroll to the analogue/digital output jack. When you come to it, you'll see that it probably has MM under it. Type the 'M' key on the keyboard to unmute it, and your sound will work.
Anand
I still haven't been able to find any analog/digital output switch to un-mute. But what turned out to be successful in fixing this problem was "yum update alsa*"
Jerry
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Anand Buddhdev arb@anand.org writes:
I don't use Gnome, so I can't describe the precise steps. I think that if you right click on the little volume control applet in the top right-hand corner, it will give you the choice of opening the mixer.
It wasn't there, so I added one.
I actually solved the problem now, or rather found a "good enough" workaround. The sound works fine with headphones, but not with my speakers, but previously I didn't even think of trying the headphones since I didn't get the speakers to work (I'm using a Dell Latitude D810 laptop with speakers built in). And no, there is no problem with my speakers, since they work fine in Windows XP and in Knoppix. But I don't have any muted channels in any of the mixer programs.
But I can accept using the headphones for the time being, especially since my main use of sound is internet radio at my workplace.
Regards Ingemar
I had a similar problem, my sound didn't work with the speakers but it did with the headphones (on an Inspiron 9300 running FC4 and Gnome).
Solution: in the alsa mixer active external amplifier and tick the box that appears in the "switches" tab.
I guess this may work for you too.
Otto
--- Ingemar Nilsson init@pdc.kth.se wrote:
Anand Buddhdev arb@anand.org writes:
I don't use Gnome, so I can't describe the precise steps. I think that if you right click on the little volume control applet in the top right-hand corner, it will give you the choice of opening the mixer.
It wasn't there, so I added one.
I actually solved the problem now, or rather found a "good enough" workaround. The sound works fine with headphones, but not with my speakers, but previously I didn't even think of trying the headphones since I didn't get the speakers to work (I'm using a Dell Latitude D810 laptop with speakers built in). And no, there is no problem with my speakers, since they work fine in Windows XP and in Knoppix. But I don't have any muted channels in any of the mixer programs.
But I can accept using the headphones for the time being, especially since my main use of sound is internet radio at my workplace.
Regards Ingemar
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"Otto de Voogd (CompList)" ottodisp-complist@yahoo.com writes:
I had a similar problem, my sound didn't work with the speakers but it did with the headphones (on an Inspiron 9300 running FC4 and Gnome).
Solution: in the alsa mixer active external amplifier and tick the box that appears in the "switches" tab.
I guess this may work for you too.
It did. Thanks!
Regards Ingemar
I've just installed FC9 with the gnome desktop. I don't think I've done much of anything yet besides putting some stuff in the panel, turning on the network service (and disabling network manager), setting up the yum repositories and yum priorities, removing bluez-libs and pcmiautils (I'm not using laptops) and installing yumex. The next time I boot the desktop icons are gone, clicking the right mouse button on the desktop has no effect, and nautilus seems to be gone. (I can't start it from the command line either.)
What's going on? How can I get my desktop and file manager back?
Thanks for the help! Jerry
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:39:28 -0700 Gerhard Magnus magnus@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
What's going on? How can I get my desktop and file manager back?
I can't say what it going on. The same thing just happened to me on a new install, but a reboot got everything back to normal, so whatever it was, wasn't permanent.
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:53 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:39:28 -0700 Gerhard Magnus magnus@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
What's going on? How can I get my desktop and file manager back?
I can't say what it going on. The same thing just happened to me on a new install, but a reboot got everything back to normal, so whatever it was, wasn't permanent.
I ended up having to install nautilus and its related packages.
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