From eugen at leitl.org Fri Jun 5 16:01:15 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0821015896210665780==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Eugen Leitl To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: fc5: install everything? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:23:13 +0200 Message-ID: <20060328162313.GF25017@leitl.org> In-Reply-To: 1143556705.2507.13.camel@mongrel.lan.evpc.biz --===============0821015896210665780== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 01:08:24AM +1030, Tim wrote: > > The point it took to click one checkbox to install a shitload of packag= es. > > User attention is a scarce resource. > = > Yes, it is, start paying attention... I said, and I'm quoting from I pegged you for a troll right away. You're making it too easy. > others, that the everything option didn't install "everything". It > installed *lots* of things, but it did *not* install *every* single RPM > that was available. There are numerous reasons for this, I don't care I'm not interested in your strawmen. = > whether you like the reasons or not, the reasons are there. I'm not interested in your reasons. I've described end user expectations which are violated, and result in reduce usability. = > e.g. On a 32 bit system there's no point, and probably some harm, in > installing 64 bit packages. Certainly so if you try to use them. Then There are no 64 bit packages nor MIPSel in FC5 x86_32, moron. > there's kernels for specific CPUs which you won't have. > = > There have always been some packages which conflict with others, they > *cannot* be installed at the same time, there is no resolution to this That's what conflict resolution is there for. Again: it used to work. It no longer works, because the "install everything and the kitchensink" option is no longer there. = > other than to not install both of them. Hence anything that pretends to > be an "everything installation" is not, and those picking one hoping > that it is installing everything so are being deluded. > = > If you really want to install everything, and it won't work, it's > child's play: CD into the RPMs folder, and do: rpm -i *.rpm If you really want want to make nonconstructive comments, it's a child's play, *plonk* = > It will attempt to install all RPMs, there will be no difficulty for you > to try this (no options to pick, no variations), and it will fail. > = > > Please stop rationalizing deficits being features. They're not. > = > Stop expecting everything to be precisely what you want, it's not going Stop pretending to speak for Fedora users. You most emphatically don't. > to happen. Take your fingers out of your ears and pay attention to the > thread that has explained all of this, in excruciating detail, over the > last few weeks. Those who've created the installation process > understand the problems, even if you do not. Idiots like you are responsible for user experience degradation. = Thanks for turning back the Linux clock. = -- = Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --===============0821015896210665780== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuNC4yLjIgKEdO VS9MaW51eCkKCmlEOERCUUZFS1dMeGRiQWtRNHNwOXI0UkFnUklBSjQ2dExLUmRFYUgyV2hVMS9T SGZtd1BYNGNXY0FDZlI2Z1YKUjZ5QUhwRmNYYjA1S1NmVkU2RW1iK3c9Cj1abEhJCi0tLS0tRU5E IFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQo= --===============0821015896210665780==--