back button in firefox?
by Tom Horsley
Has anyone else noticed that the "back" button in firefox on
fedora 17 rarely if ever does anything the first time you click it?
I seem to always need to click it multiple times before it actually
goes back to the previous page.
11 years, 10 months
Re: An apology is required from me
by Daniel
On 06/22/2012 08:10 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 06:27:14AM -0700, Daniel wrote:
>>> On 06/22/2012 05:00 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:45:06PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 06/21/2012 09:36 PM, Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it to date the devs say:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Go away", rightly so,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and "Put up or shut up", again rightly so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never heard complaints about the KDE devs doing that, and I
>>>>>>>>> know that the Xfce devs don't. AFAIK, only the Gnome devs say that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Citation needed! :P
>>>
>>> I hope that you're not asking for a citation to the effect that the
>>> KDE or Xfce developers_don't_ respond to complaints with "Go away!"
>>> nor with "Put up or shut up!" and are simply asking for
>>> substantiation that Gnome developers_have_.
>
> In Wikipedia "citation needed" is added to prove a claim.
Right; but the question was whether you were asking for a _positive_
proof of an _negative_ claim.
> Basically a
> reference to a study showing that in general GNOME developers give this
> answer and secondly that XFCE as well as KDE developers don't do this.
So, it indeed appears that you were demanding a positive proof of a
negative claim.
The claim that Gnome developers tell people to kiss off is a positive
claim, one establishes it by pointing to an example of one of them
doing so.
The claim that KDE and Xfce developers don't do this is a negative claim.
> I think it is somewhat normal to ask for more details.
What sort of _details_ could one find in such an _absence_?
> And I understand
> that proving a negative is difficult (XFCE/KDE), but that should still
> be possible (sampling of all the answers).
And how would one prove that the sampling were representative?
(Do note that, while I have plainly agreed with Roger and Joe about
what has come from the Gnome developers, I have _not_ taken a position
on whether the KDE or Xfce developers do the same thing. I've just
point to the active absurdity of wanting a _citation_ to prove a claim
that they _don't_ do it.)
>>> In this latter case, what would you do with the substantiation? If
>>> your response would be to shrug or to embrace the acts of
>>> rejection,it would hardly be worth the effort of providing the
>>> substantiation. If, on the other hand, you promise to pour warm,
>>> stale beer on one of those developers, then I for one will be happy
>>> to track down an instance. :-;
>
> So in short: you have a belief, no basis for it, but cannot be bothered
> to properly investigate. You make a judgement about GNOME developers,
> and when someone from GNOME asks for details, there are none.
No. In short I have a belief, and a basis for it, but don't want to
slog back through the communications that I've read in an attempt to
find those in which Gnome developers essentially said what Roger and
Joe have claimed they say (Roger with approval). And you want me to
slog back through it without expectation of profit; you've even held
onto the option of saying "So what?" or "Durn'd tootin'!" Plainly
it'd be a waste of my time.
> Glad you cleared that up for me :)
Oh, I'm not trying to clear it up for you. I'm trying to clear it up
for anyone else who might be reading. ;-)
11 years, 10 months
Re: An apology is required from me
by Daniel
On 06/22/2012 05:00 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:45:06PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> >On 06/21/2012 09:36 PM, Roger wrote:
>>>>> As I understand it to date the devs say:
>>>>> "Go away", rightly so,
>>>>> and "Put up or shut up", again rightly so.
>>>
>>> I've never heard complaints about the KDE devs doing that, and I
>>> know that the Xfce devs don't. AFAIK, only the Gnome devs say that.
>
> Citation needed! :P
I hope that you're not asking for a citation to the effect that the
KDE or Xfce developers _don't_ respond to complaints with "Go away!"
nor with "Put up or shut up!" and are simply asking for substantiation
that Gnome developers _have_.
In this latter case, what would you do with the substantiation? If
your response would be to shrug or to embrace the acts of rejection,it
would hardly be worth the effort of providing the substantiation. If,
on the other hand, you promise to pour warm, stale beer on one of
those developers, then I for one will be happy to track down an
instance. :-;
11 years, 10 months
Change in structure of F17 instakkation disc.
by Aaron Konstam
I bought a F17 installation disc from OSDISC.com. When you use it to
install F17 the GUI to check the integrity of the DVD is found when you
choose the Trouble Shooting option rather than were it has always been
when you choose the Install or Upgrade Fedora option.
Is that true on all F17 install media?
You think you could find this out from the Installation guides but I
can't. The Quick installation guide for F17 shows you a display where
you are installing F16.
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11 years, 10 months
Broken clang++ 3.0
by Andrea
Hi,
clang 3.0 shipped in Fedora 17 is broken as a c++ compiler.
It cannot compile the stl
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=824406
Has anybody found a way to patch it, upgrade it or else.
Unfortunately there are a few things depending on llvm-libs
=====================================================================================================================================
Package Arch Version
Repository Size
=====================================================================================================================================
Removing:
llvm-libs i686 3.0-13.fc17 @updates
21 M
Removing for dependencies:
ffmpeg i686 0.10.4-1.fc17
@rpmfusion-free-updates 638 k
ffmpeg-libs i686 0.10.4-1.fc17
@rpmfusion-free-updates 10 M
libva i686 1.0.15-2.fc17 @fedora
142 k
mesa-dri-drivers i686 8.0.3-1.fc17 @updates
41 M
mesa-libxatracker i686 8.0.3-1.fc17 @updates
1.2 M
mplayer i686 1.0-0.139.20120205svn.fc17
@rpmfusion-free-updates 3.3 M
xorg-x11-drv-vmware i686 12.0.2-1.fc17 @fedora
146 k
Any idea?
11 years, 10 months
printer configuration on F17 ???
by Fred Smith
Hi!
I did a base (default) install from i686 DVD onto my netbook. it's
working fine, but...
it doesn't have any tools to configure any printers. so using "add/remove software" I searched for "printing" and it came up with an item "Printing Support"
and installed it.
but I still don't have any items in any of the menus to allow printer
configuration.
there is a package installed named system-config-printer-libs-1.3.9-1.fc17.i686
but it doesn't seem to contain anything obviously designed as an end-user UI
for configuring printers.
how is one supposed to set up a printer on F17?
(I suppose I could fall back on browsing to port 630...)
thanks!
Fred
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11 years, 10 months
Record my desktop with Byzanz applet and f17/Gnome 3 panel
by Dario Lesca
Hi! ... with F14 I used byzanz for record my desktop and save it in a
GIF file.
In to F14 (gnome 2) there are a applet for start or stop the record, but
into Gnome3 this feature is missing. Now (byzanz 3.0.1) seem this
feature is back also for gnome 3
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=23446
I have rebuild and install byzanz 3.0.1 with support to gnome 3 panel on
my f17
> [lesca@dodo rpmbuild]$ rpm -q byzanz
> byzanz-0.3.0.1-0.fc17.x86_64
>
> [lesca@dodo rpmbuild]$ rpm -ql byzanz|grep -Ev icons\|locale\|doc
> /etc/gconf/schemas/byzanz.schemas
> /usr/bin/byzanz-playback
> /usr/bin/byzanz-record
> /usr/libexec/byzanz-applet
> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.gnome.panel.applet.ByzanzAppletFactory.service
> /usr/share/gnome-2.0/ui/byzanzapplet.xml
> /usr/share/gnome-panel/4.0/applets/org.gnome.ByzanzApplet.panel-applet
> /usr/share/man/man1/byzanz-playback.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/byzanz-record.1.gz
My question is:
How to enable the /usr/libexec/byzanz-applet to see the start/stop
button on my desktop? It's this possible?
There is another way o apps "Gnome 3 enabled" for record my desktop?
There is an applet for gnome3 to start/stop build-in record desktop
( CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+R )?
Many thanks for reply.
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(Inviato dal mio Fedora Linux)
11 years, 10 months
Re: An apology is required from me
by Daniel
On 06/20/2012 07:28 AM, users-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
> Then you should also apologize a second time for making unnecessary
> disparaging remarks about Gnome-3.4.
Necessity and accuracy are largely orthogonal, and the fact that his
disparagement was unnecessary didn't render it inaccurate.
> This Gnome bashing is becoming extremely tiresome.
Your fatigue would largely have been avoided had the Gnome developers
proceeded differently. So perhaps you should complain to them. ;-)
11 years, 10 months
gnome-dvb-daemon and totem Digital TV failure
by Andrew Gray
Hi
Trying to watch Digital TV from my Pinnacle DVB usb stick
totem reports it as a DiBcom 7000PC(DVB-t)
I have run "gnome-dvb-setup" and it finds all the local Free View
channels
If I run
gnome-dvb-daemon -d --disable-epg-scanner
or
gnome-dvb-daemon --disable-epg-scanner
As soon as start watching a TV channel with totem it just shows the
first image it receives then stops
The gnome-dvb-daemon is continually reporting
(gnome-dvb-daemon:1326): GStreamer-WARNING **: Trying to set string on
structure field 'name', but string is not valid UTF-8. Please file a
bug.
Can anyone help !
Kernel 3.4.3-1.fc17.x86_64
gnome-dvb-daemon-0.2.8-1.fc17.x86_64
totem-mozplugin-vegas-3.4.2-1.fc17.x86_64
totem-3.4.2-1.fc17.x86_64
totem-nautilus-3.4.2-1.fc17.x86_64
totem-pl-parser-3.4.2-1.fc17.x86_64
totem-lirc-3.4.2-1.fc17.x86_64
totem-mozplugin-3.4.2-1.fc17.x86_64
totem-devel-3.4.2-1.fc17.x86_64
totem-pl-parser-devel-3.4.2-1.fc17.x86_64
gnome-python2-totem-2.32.0-9.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-devel-0.10.36-1.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-espeak-0.3.5-2.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-rtsp-0.10.8-2.fc17.x86_64
gstreamermm-doc-0.10.10-3.fc17.noarch
gstreamer-java-swt-1.5-4.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-good-devel-docs-0.10.31-3.fc17.noarch
gstreamer-0.10.36-1.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.13-2.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.31-3.fc17.x86_64
gstreamermm-devel-0.10.10-3.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-base-devel-docs-0.10.36-1.fc17.noarch
gstreamermm-0.10.10-3.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-python-0.10.19-3.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-python-devel-0.10.19-3.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-entrans-0.10.3-4.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-base-tools-0.10.36-1.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.23-6.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.36-1.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.19-1.fc17.x86_64
PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.7.4-4.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-devel-0.10.23-6.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-ugly-devel-docs-0.10.19-1.fc17.noarch
gstreamer-rtsp-vala-0.10.8-2.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-entrans-docs-0.10.3-4.fc17.noarch
gstreamer-plugins-base-devel-0.10.36-1.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-rtsp-devel-0.10.8-2.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-devel-docs-0.10.23-6.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-tools-0.10.36-1.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-java-javadoc-1.5-4.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-rtsp-python-0.10.8-2.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-fc-0.2-3.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-java-1.5-4.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugin-crystalhd-3.5.1-1.fc14.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-6.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.22-4.fc17.x86_64
gstreamer-devel-docs-0.10.36-1.fc17.noarch
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Linnet Solutions Ltd
11 years, 10 months
grub.cfg broken after yum update
by JD
After yum update (which produced no error messages)
kernel-3.4.2-1 was installed. So, because of my prior
problems with yum updating the kernel, I decided to
look at grub.cfg.
Again, dracut did not produce the initramfs for the new kernel.
I had to manually run
dracut -f /boot/initramfs-3.4.2-1.img 3.4.2-1.fc16.i686
and add the line
initrd /boot/initramfs-3.4.2-1.fc16.i686.img
to the bottom of each menuentry.
See the menue ntries below, as they were created by dracut for the new
kernel.
menuentry 'Fedora (3.4.2-1.fc16.i686.debug)' --class fedora --class
gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
set gfxpayload=keep
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd0,msdos2)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
259d7b44-1122-42cc-b504-3dd40027d3b9
echo 'Loading Fedora (3.4.2-1.fc16.i686.debug)'
linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.4.2-1.fc16.i686.debug
root=UUID=259d7b44-1122-42cc-b504-3dd40027d3b9 ro rd.md=0 rd.lvm=0 rd.dm=0
KEYTABLE=us quiet SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb rd.luks=0
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
}
menuentry 'Fedora (3.4.2-1.fc16.i686)' --class fedora --class gnu-linux
--class gnu --class os {
load_video
set gfxpayload=keep
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd0,msdos2)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
259d7b44-1122-42cc-b504-3dd40027d3b9
echo 'Loading Fedora (3.4.2-1.fc16.i686)'
linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.4.2-1.fc16.i686
root=UUID=259d7b44-1122-42cc-b504-3dd40027d3b9 ro rd.md=0 rd.lvm=0
rd.dm=0 KEYT
ABLE=us quiet SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb rd.luks=0 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
}
11 years, 10 months