Hi all,
We will face a problem in the near future that will slow us down with translations on Transifex. Often projects are handled on a group based permission level aka projects maintains their own translation teams and are not using the Fedora teams. A coordinator is in charge for the approval of new members.
There are several projects with a coordinator who is unresponsive. In this case a new user who wants to contribute have to wait for days/weeks to get approved. This is not really bringing us forward and is frustrating for people who wants to get started.
I think that there needs to be something like a "unresponsive coordinator process" (The package maintainers do it that way). Or an other approach could be to let other coordinators approve people for their language to any group.
What do you think about that? I know this is not really a Fedora L10n issue but many of the Projects translated through Transifex lands in Fedora releases.
Kind regards,
Fabian
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Fabian Affolter fab@fedoraproject.org wrote:
We will face a problem in the near future that will slow us down with translations on Transifex. Often projects are handled on a group based permission level aka projects maintains their own translation teams and are not using the Fedora teams. A coordinator is in charge for the approval of new members.
There are several projects with a coordinator who is unresponsive. In this case a new user who wants to contribute have to wait for days/weeks to get approved. This is not really bringing us forward and is frustrating for people who wants to get started.
I think that there needs to be something like a "unresponsive coordinator process" (The package maintainers do it that way). Or an other approach could be to let other coordinators approve people for their language to any group.
I'm not sure how we could help with that. Maybe someone from FLP could volunteer to co-maintain the project with the maintainer, helping him approve members?
I suppose this is probably something we should discuss directly with the developers in question.
What do you think about that? I know this is not really a Fedora L10n issue but many of the Projects translated through Transifex lands in Fedora releases.
Indeed. If we can help, it'd be great. But as you mentioned, this is ultimately the developer's choice and responsibility.
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Hi all,
We will face a problem in the near future that will slow us down with translations on Transifex. Often projects are handled on a group based permission level aka projects maintains their own translation teams and are not using the Fedora teams. A coordinator is in charge for the approval of new members.
There are several projects with a coordinator who is unresponsive. In this case a new user who wants to contribute have to wait for days/weeks to get approved. This is not really bringing us forward and is frustrating for people who wants to get started.
I think that there needs to be something like a "unresponsive coordinator process" (The package maintainers do it that way). Or an other approach could be to let other coordinators approve people for their language to any group.
What do you think about that? I know this is not really a Fedora L10n issue but many of the Projects translated through Transifex lands in Fedora releases.
Hi Fabian and all
I am sorry responding such late this issue. I do feel exactly same and still unable to find good solution.
Especially some projects which FLP could contribute translation on fp.o, now choose not use FLP, therefore FLP no longer able to continue translation work unless joining newly created project specific language team on tx.net.
What is going on here is that, when package maintainer created it's project on tx.net according to recent move, he or she chose the option 'Limited access' for translation under Access Control tab (this tab only appears for project maintainers). With this option, translation team for this project needs to be formed first by some one who likes to start translation, and then new translators can join. It does not care whether you are from FLP. So we are facing the problem.
There are three options to choose; Free for all, Limited access and Outsourced access. To allow FLP to translate, he or she has to choose Outsourced access and specify the outsource project as Fedora Project.
Some projects say that they want to accept translation wider not limiting from FLP, thus they configure the setting 'Limited access'. Other projects simply take default setting without knowing actually what will happen, and it seems that default setting is Limited access. Anyway it gives us hard days.
The simplest way would be that the coordinator of FLP to become the coordinator for those. However, to be honest, I don't want and can't become the coordinator for every single project. I'm afraid that those project may receive less translation from FLP in future.
This problem depends on each package maintainer's preference. And I am not too sure that they do understand the situation.
Btw, I see German team info has been removed from L10N team page [1]. Does this relate to this issue??
[1]:http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Teams
noriko
28.03.2011, 00:50, "Fabian Affolter" fab@fedoraproject.org;:
Hi all,
We will face a problem in the near future that will slow us down with translations on Transifex. Often projects are handled on a group based permission level aka projects maintains their own translation teams and are not using the Fedora teams. A coordinator is in charge for the approval of new members.
There are several projects with a coordinator who is unresponsive. In this case a new user who wants to contribute have to wait for days/weeks to get approved. This is not really bringing us forward and is frustrating for people who wants to get started.
I think that there needs to be something like a "unresponsive coordinator process" (The package maintainers do it that way). Or an other approach could be to let other coordinators approve people for their language to any group.
What do you think about that? I know this is not really a Fedora L10n issue but many of the Projects translated through Transifex lands in Fedora releases.
Kind regards,
Fabian
Hi.
There is a simple sanity check for the newcomers to the Russian team. Besides signing up for a FAS account and signing FPCA, they are given instructions to subscribe to the main and the local translators mailing lists and send a short resumé to both. Okay, at least to the local one, to be granted access. Until they do, I may or may not send them an email. The "unresponsive coordinator process" may need to account for this.
-- Best regards, Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Shnurapet shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, GPG: 00217306
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