ISO 639 and all the others you mentioned are not fully translated to Hebrew
for example so I don't think it's a good reference.
Yaron Shahrabani
<Hebrew translator>
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <keld(a)keldix.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 01:34:10PM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> I meant translation of these, not the names in English.
Translation into which languages? There are actually translation projects
for all
nations of the world into a specific language in the TP project at
http://translationproject.org
They translate amongst others ISO 639, 3166, 4217 and 15924.
In glibc, translation of the country name and the language name into the
native
language are available in the glibc locale for that country and language.
Are you saying thta this is also available in CLDR?
Best regards
keld
> Kind regards,
> Yaron Shahrabani.
>
> Yaron Shahrabani
>
> <Hebrew translator>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:14 PM, <keld(a)keldix.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:37:22AM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> > > Wasn't sure, thanks for the clarifications, apparently they are both
> > > related to ICU, but CLDR has more terms (Time Zone names, Country
names,
> > > Languages names, etc.).
> >
> > Well glibc also have language names, time zone names, country names
etc. I
> > think ICU also can handle
> > glibc data, but the glibc data are primarily made for the POSIX/C
style
> > way of doing internationalization,
> > and has a lot of influence from the Linux world.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Keld
> >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Yaron Shahrabani
> > >
> > > <Hebrew translator>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM, <keld(a)keldix.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 01:59:03PM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, <keld(a)keldix.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:12:10AM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani
wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan
<
> > yurchor(a)ukr.net>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:10:05 +0200 ????????
????????????????
> > Yaron
> > > > > > Shahrabani <
> > > > > > > > sh.yaron(a)gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Yuri
Chornoivan <
> > > > yurchor(a)ukr.net>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:49:18 +0200 ????????
????????????????
> > Yaron
> > > > > > Shahrabani <
> > > > > > > >>> sh.yaron(a)gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Hi Yuri!
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Just to make sure, is this package
using CLDR?
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Yaron Shahrabani
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <Hebrew translator>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>> Hi Yaron!
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> No. It is not. It is Fedora/Red Hat-only
solution, not
used
> > in
> > > > any
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > >>> distributions (AFAIK).
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Best regards,
> > > > > > > >>> Yuri
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Hi again!
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> CLDR has nothing to do with cross distro,
it's a standard
> > > > directory
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > >> international definitions like the names of
the day in
each
> > > > language
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >> name of the months, names of languages,
countries etc.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> This way you don't need to wait for the
translators to do
it,
> > you
> > > > just
> > > > > > > >> copy
> > > > > > > >> this definitions from there or use it via an
external
package
> > > > > > providing
> > > > > > > >> all
> > > > > > > >> this info (I think it's called ICU).
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Kind regards,
> > > > > > > >> Yaron Shahrabani.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, system-config-date does not use CLDR and I am
not a
> > developer
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > system-config-date. Please report bugs if you
want this
> > feature.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see, thanks for the clarification.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The crowd translations from CLDR are of very low
quality
> > (imho) and
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > be used with great care, at least for Ukrainian.
The
results of
> > > > their
> > > > > > > > application at transifex are not very promising.
The
general
> > idea
> > > > was
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > but the implementation is very inflexible and at
least
> > sometimes
> > > > leads
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > mistakes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why don't you get involved in CLDR in order to fix
that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think we should rather use the glibc data that has good
> > participation
> > > > > > from Linux, and IMHO
> > > > > > has better data quality for as number of locales,
including
> > Danish, my
> > > > own
> > > > > > language.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > best regards
> > > > > > keld
> > > > > >
> > > > > Gettext does not include translation of terms, only the plural
forms,
> > > > these
> > > > > are related though quite different :)
> > > >
> > > > I am not talking about gettext, but about glibc locale data.
> > > >
> > > > Are you aware that glibc includes locale data, such as day and
month
> > > > names, date formats
> > > > and other stuff?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Keld
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Broken dates in Ukrainian locale on Transifex due
to
mistakes
> > in
> > > > CLDR:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**55247264/broken_dates.png<
> > > > > >
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55247264/broken_dates.png>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you need my assistance in opening a bug in CLDR?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea, In Hebrew
it
works
> > > > pretty
> > > > > > well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > Yuri
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Yuri
Chornoivan <
> > > > yurchor(a)ukr.net>
> > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Hi,
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> You might already realized that
system-config-date
> > > > translations [1]
> > > > > > > >>>>> were
> > > > > > > >>>>> wiped due to minor mistake in
template names (the
original
> > > > > > template was
> > > > > > > >>>>> replaced by system-config-date
interface template, then
> > > > restored).
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> The maintainer answered to my
request as follows:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> "it seems that I've made
a copy-paste error, I should
have
> > > > fixed
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > >>>>> now."
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Now the template is on its right
place and the
translations
> > > > can be
> > > > > > > >>>>> restored using POs from src RPM.
Just extract it for
your
> > > > language
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > >>>>> upload to Transifex [1].
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Hope this helps.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Best regards,
> > > > > > > >>>>> Yuri
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> [1]
> > > > > >
https://fedora.transifex.com/******projects/p/system-config-****
> > > > > > > >>>>> date/**<
> > > > > >
> >
https://fedora.transifex.com/****projects/p/system-config-**date/**>
> > > > > > > >>>>> <
https://fedora.**
> > > > > >
transifex.com/**projects/p/**system-config-date/**<
> > > > > >
https://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**>
> > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > >
resource/timezones_master/<**htt**ps://fedora.transifex.**com/**<
> > > > > >
http://fedora.transifex.com/**>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > projects/p/system-config-date/****resource/timezones_master/<h**
> > > > > > > >>>>> ttps://
> >
fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**
> > > > > > > >>>>> resource/timezones_master/<
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-date/resource/timez...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> [2]
> > > >
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/******fedora/linux/development/**<
> > > > > >
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**>
> > > > > > > >>>>> <**
> >
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**
> > > > <
> > > > > >
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/**fedora/linux/development/**>
> > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-******config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.**
> > > > > > > >>>>> **src.**rpm<
> > > > > > > >>>>> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.
> > **net/linux/**fedora/linux/**development/**
> > > > > > > >>>>> rawhide/source/
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > **SRPMS/s/system-config-date-**1.**10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<ftp://
> > > > **
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> >
fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/**linux/development/rawhide/**
> > > > > > > >>>>>
source/SRPMS/s/system-config-**date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> >
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