The whole idea of using an open-source platform like Zanata is to have control. Usually, it's control over what gets developed and it's control over the fate of the project if it suddenly gets dropped.
Well, guess what. Fedora had no influence over the roadmap of Zanata, and now that the project is dead, Fedora is forced to move somewhere else.
I'd really like to see here the people who loudly voted in favor of Zanata (so that Fedora controls its destiny), to put their efforts where their mouth is and step up, host Zanata and maintain it for Fedora. If Fedora never really had that option, it was just words.
-d
Le 09/05/2019 à 01:12, Dimitris Glezos a écrit :
I'd really like to see here the people who loudly voted in favor of Zanata (so that Fedora controls its destiny), to put their efforts where their mouth is and step up, host Zanata and maintain it for Fedora. If Fedora never really had that option, it was just words.
Well, I wasn't there but it probably was the right choice at this time.
The people did the work to leave a closed source platform and maintained a system working for years. We can easily move forward for another open-source tool. The difficult part is to make sure we don't force the choice and make sure everyone understands the pros and cons.
For the context:
In 2011, Fedora moved to transifex.com https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Migration_to_Transifex.com?rd=Migration_to_tr...
In 2014, Fedora moved to Zanata https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Move_To_Zanata
it's easy to read what was said in the past, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/infrastructure/2014-July/014475.ht... and I feel like most of what is written is still true.
Note for readers: Dimitris is the transifex creator.
I think the main reason for us to leave Zanata is that it isn't longer actively developed. The last commit is half year old (see: https://github.com/zanata/zanata-platform/commits/master).
This is why we should move to somewhere else.
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, May 13, 2019 10:55 PM, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft jean-baptiste@holcroft.fr wrote:
Le 09/05/2019 à 01:12, Dimitris Glezos a écrit :
I'd really like to see here the people who loudly voted in favor of Zanata (so that Fedora controls its destiny), to put their efforts where their mouth is and step up, host Zanata and maintain it for Fedora. If Fedora never really had that option, it was just words.
Well, I wasn't there but it probably was the right choice at this time.
The people did the work to leave a closed source platform and maintained a system working for years. We can easily move forward for another open-source tool. The difficult part is to make sure we don't force the choice and make sure everyone understands the pros and cons.
For the context:
In 2011, Fedora moved to transifex.com https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Migration_to_Transifex.com?rd=Migration_to_tr...
In 2014, Fedora moved to Zanata https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Move_To_Zanata
it's easy to read what was said in the past, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/infrastructure/2014-July/014475.ht... and I feel like most of what is written is still true.
Note for readers: Dimitris is the transifex creator.
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
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On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 8:11 AM Michal Konecny < michal.konecny@packetseekers.eu> wrote:
I think the main reason for us to leave Zanata is that it isn't longer actively developed.
If Fedora isn't influencing the tool's roadmap and if Fedora realistically doesn't realistically have the choice to continue the tool's development, what are the material benefits of choosing open-source then?
-d
Weblate has a paid version alongside the open source version so as long as you keep paying you can probably enjoy both worlds.
You are right about purely open source, it might be tricky in some cases.
On Mon, May 20, 2019, 18:57 Dimitris Glezos glezos@transifex.com wrote:
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 8:11 AM Michal Konecny < michal.konecny@packetseekers.eu> wrote:
I think the main reason for us to leave Zanata is that it isn't longer actively developed.
If Fedora isn't influencing the tool's roadmap and if Fedora realistically doesn't realistically have the choice to continue the tool's development, what are the material benefits of choosing open-source then?
-d
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Þann 20.5.2019 15:56, skrifaði Dimitris Glezos:
what are the material benefits of choosing open-source then?
Transparency -for instance ;-)
If an open-source project chooses a closed-source tool for its operations, that would have to be for really, really good reasons; like that there's nothing else providing similar services.
In this case, there are valid open-source contenders; Weblate, Translatewiki, Mojito, and perhaps others. I skip Pootle here, because it seems the project is a bit stalled, but I could be wrong.
The commercial model of Weblate (to support the devs) is based on the hosting part of the operation; they offer paid hosting and their expertise in setting up a translation project, but which is free for open-source projects (up to a certain size?). All the code is there for grabbing if you are willing to self-host your project.
As much as I like many aspects of Transifex (especially the tx-client), it leaves some questions unanswered which wouldn't be if the code was totally open-source. And if I were to choose between closed-source solutions for a project like Fedora, I'd probably go for Crowdin: as a translator I like their interface, group communication is not awful, and translation statistics for a language are accessible without logging in (one of the major defects in Transifex which makes it difficult to recruit new translators).
But then, normally it's up to the developers to see if a translation system fits their workflow and to decide if some of them are willing to commit time to the maintenance of such a system.
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