My 2 cents:
One reason we moved to Zanata from Transifex where Open Source
concerns, right? ;)
Although the tone of Jean-Baptiste's email was a bit harsh one point
it's absolutely legitimate IMHO:
Fedora is following the goal of providing and supporting only free and
open source software by default. So we should use open source tools as
well for surveys, feedback forms, etc. Not mentioning the privacy
concerns here. I know it's quite hard to avoid some great and easy to
use Google (or other) tools but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try it
And yes, let's move on! I greatly appreciate the work Alex is doing!
Am Sonntag, den 23.04.2017, 11:22 +0200 schrieb Sylvia Sánchez:
I would like to say something on the topic. I gave my normal email
and filled the aforementioned survey. I do care about my privacy,
but without getting paranoid. This is a community-based survey, and
my name and email are easy to find. Let's not go over the top.
Second, I think a survey is a good idea. It gives feedback, and we
can talk about the results and how to improve the tools and our work.
Third, as you said Alex, it wasn't mandatory. Anyone could do it or
not at will.
Forth, what does it mean "in the benefit of Zanata only"? Aren't we
using Zanata? How any improvement in a tool we use can do us any
Fifth, discussing without information is pointless. First you gather
information, in the form of a survey or another method, and *after*
you discuss on the provided information.
Sixth, your email is perfectly fine AFAIK.
Cheers and have a nice day all,
2017-04-22 19:08 GMT+02:00 Alex Eng <loones1595(a)gmail.com>:
> I know this email will somehow backfire on me or brings out more
> harsh discussion but I was disappointed and upset by this issue for
> few days now and just want to put it out there.
> Recently I have sent out a survey request for Zanata platform in
> this mailing list, asking for translators' feedback for improvement
> and understand our users. But it was knocked back for various
> I admit there are few points that were pointed out are valid and
> should be corrected, eg. Mandatory of email, and use of Google.
> However, I was troubled by the rather harsh critics and unexpected
> response. And yes, I do take it personally.
> The comments below are all my opinion personally.
> 1) I never force anyone to partake the survey, if anyone is
> uncomfortable doing it, then don't do it.
> 2) One of the reason I was told is that the survey is only for the
> benefit of Zanata, not Fedora. That to me is a very selfish mindset
> and I strongly disagree with that. Correct me if I'm wrong but
> I don't think that's how Fedora community works.
> 3) Another reason was I need to "discuss it first" before doing it.
> For a survey? Although I understand the benefit of letting the
> group know beforehand, but is it not the same as sending out the
> survey and just don't do it if you're not comfortable?
> 4) I was told to " respect mailing lists guidelines". Isn't mailing
> list main purpose it for communication? And I do think it is the
> right platform to use to communicate with all translators in
> Fedora, unless there are some other ways. Until now, I am still not
> sure what wrong I did in the email. Maybe I'm violating the
> guideline in this email too :)
> Having to work with various large communities, I understand
> different people have different opinion and I do respect that. Also
> I like to think myself as a reasonable person which often takes
> critics as an opportunity to improve myself, or on any project.
> Often I do try my best to provide explanation and solution to any
> issue. But getting complaint just to send out a survey with the
> impression of no respect at all is a whole new level for me.
> I believe community work is only success by working together and be
> able to provide constructive feedback to each other for
> improvement. This to me will not help with the situation and only
> will move things backwards.
> My main goal in the Fedora community is to improve and help the
> project with whatever I can. If I am doing things not in the right
> way, please do let me know and I am more than happy to be
> Alex Eng
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