Thanks for passing this on to the French team, Jérôme.
Unfortunately though, as I said, the pot files that were uploaded two
months ago during the test were for f17, not f18, which I've confirmed
by looking at certain strings. I understand that this means labour has
been wasted, and I apologise for the oversight.
Not all pot files were updated for f18, of course, but I'm not aware of
a way to distinguish them and then push the po files that are still
current into Zanata. If anyone has an idea about this, which would
enable us to re-use some of the stranded translations, please let us know.
I agree that more consistent notifications for trans-list would be
valuable. I don't have enough knowledge of existing trans-list practices
to know where improvements can be made, but I'll help any way I can.
I've CC'd Pete Travis, the Fedora docs lead, so he can mull this over too.
Thanks,
Jack
On 05/02/2013 06:10 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
Hi Jack,
No worries, I've indeed stopped people to translate the Install Guide
on Transifex on trans-fr. I also need to compile all the .po and try
to see if I can push them to Zanata (any API on Zanata?).
In order to fix the process in the mean time, I will organize a
regular news/FAQ/roadmap mail on the trans-fr list.
Maybe we can plan to do so on the trans list as well, informing which
new guides are coming (Defensive coding which appeared a bit out of
the blue), which have been replaced (Deployment -> SAG/Storage), etc.
That would also be interesting in the light of F19 coming, for
instance with pointers to the F19 schedule, with reminders of the work
that will be coming (release notes, mandatory docs, etc.).
Regards,
J.
2013/5/1 Jack Reed <jreed(a)redhat.com <mailto:jreed@redhat.com>>
Hi Jérôme, and other translators who have worked on the
Installation Guide lately,
I was shocked to discover that there were so many files still
accepting translation, because Alick Zhao and I blocked all the
files in this project many months ago.
But I've discovered the cause. 2 months ago, in an attempt to
further troubleshoot the problems we had with the project on
Transifex, a couple of us did test pushes to try and get all the
files on to Transifex's servers. Previously - including at the
point when Alick and I blocked the files - the project contained
less than half of the files it was supposed to, which was one of
the reasons we moved the project to Zanata.
In working through that bug on github, the issue was resolved and
we pushed all the files. However, because all work had moved to
Zanata, I failed to consider that these newly added files needed
to be blocked too.
Although the Docs Project Guide Table [1] directs translators to
Zanata for work on both installation guides, obviously experienced
Fedora translators are going to check Transifex first. So when you
found files that could be translated, you understandably
proceeded. This is a consequence of, as you say, there not being a
way to inform all translators, without fail, of such changes, or
because I was not aware of how to do so.
Because we want to leave the Transifex project open in the event
that it is viable to return translation of the Installation Guide
there, I will manually block the new files from accepting
translations. However, if Dimitris or someone else knows a way to
block access to the project entirely without deleting it, that
would be the most future-proof method.
I would also appreciate any suggestions of where else the move to
Zanata should be publicised to help avoid confusion in future.
I apologise to the translators who have worked on this project in
Transifex since these new files were added. I had to push F17
files for testing purposes, so I'm sorry to say that your work
will need to be redone in Zanata. I regret that the difficulties
we have had managing this large guide have caused further
problems. There have been a lot of plates to keep spinning.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.
Thanks,
Jack
[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table
On 04/30/2013 05:36 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
> Hi Jack,
>
> Thanks for the pointers and the explanation.
> Do you know why the Install Guide has not been cleared from
> Transifex after a backup?
> People are still translating the non disabled part of it, and
> having it rot having translated & disabled is not satisfying either.
> Do I need to file a BZ to get it removed entirely from Transifex?
>
> As people come and go on a regular basis, could we also think of
> having a regular newsletter which would remind to everybody such
> moves?
>
> Regards,
>
> J.
>
>
>
> 2013/4/30 Jack Reed <jreed(a)redhat.com <mailto:jreed@redhat.com>>
>
> Hi Jérôme,
>
> Great to hear that your team has targeted the Installation
> Guide in this way.
>
> The Installation Guide is actually translated on Zanata now,
> which is why you've encountered these issues in the Transifex
> project.
>
> I've also consolidated the Installation Quick Start Guide
> into the Installation Guide repo, so there are a list of
> files that would ideally be translated first so that the
> Quick Start Guide can be ready sooner.
>
> An explanation of this:
>
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html
>
> And an explanation of the move to Zanata:
>
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html
>
> And the project itself:
>
https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide
>
> Let me know if you have any more questions.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> On 04/26/2013 06:19 AM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> The French team is considering making a special effort to
>> advance French translation of the Fedora Installation Guide.
>>
>> We however have a number of issues which do not ease its
>> translation :
>> - 877 different resources visible in Transifex, of which
>> - a lot are read-only and not accepting translations,
>> - a lot are one-liners, or to be correct, one stringers.
>>
>> Could we please have a status about this guide (are there
>> parts not to translate), and can we expect a cleanup of its
>> setup in Transifex (major sections only, not more
>> one-stringers)?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Jérôme Fenal
>>
>>
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