I meant translation of these, not the names in English.

Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani.

Yaron Shahrabani
<Hebrew translator>


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:14 PM, <keld@keldix.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:37:22AM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> Wasn't sure, thanks for the clarifications, apparently they are both
> related to ICU, but CLDR has more terms (Time Zone names, Country names,
> Languages names, etc.).

Well glibc also have language names, time zone names, country names etc. I think ICU also can handle
glibc  data, but the glibc data are primarily made for the POSIX/C style way of doing internationalization,
and has a lot of influence from the Linux world.

Best regards
Keld

> Kind regards,
>
> Yaron Shahrabani
>
> <Hebrew translator>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM, <keld@keldix.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 01:59:03PM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, <keld@keldix.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:12:10AM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <yurchor@ukr.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:10:05 +0200 ???????? ???????????????? Yaron
> > > > Shahrabani <
> > > > > > sh.yaron@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <
> > yurchor@ukr.net>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>  Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:49:18 +0200 ???????? ???????????????? Yaron
> > > > Shahrabani <
> > > > > >>> sh.yaron@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>  Hi Yuri!
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Just to make sure, is this package using CLDR?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Yaron Shahrabani
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> <Hebrew translator>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> Hi Yaron!
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> No. It is not. It is Fedora/Red Hat-only solution, not used in
> > any
> > > > other
> > > > > >>> distributions (AFAIK).
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Best regards,
> > > > > >>> Yuri
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>  Hi again!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> CLDR has nothing to do with cross distro, it's a standard
> > directory
> > > > for
> > > > > >> international definitions like the names of the day in each
> > language
> > > > or
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> name of the months, names of languages, countries etc.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> This way you don't need to wait for the translators to do it, you
> > just
> > > > > >> copy
> > > > > >> this definitions from there or use it via an external package
> > > > providing
> > > > > >> all
> > > > > >> this info (I think it's called ICU).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Kind regards,
> > > > > >> Yaron Shahrabani.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, system-config-date does not use CLDR and I am not a developer
> > of
> > > > > > system-config-date. Please report bugs if you want this feature.
> > > > > >
> > > > > I see, thanks for the clarification.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The crowd translations from CLDR are of very low quality (imho) and
> > > > should
> > > > > > be used with great care, at least for Ukrainian. The results of
> > their
> > > > > > application at transifex are not very promising. The general idea
> > was
> > > > good
> > > > > > but the implementation is very inflexible and at least sometimes
> > leads
> > > > to
> > > > > > mistakes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Why don't you get involved in CLDR in order to fix that?
> > > >
> > > > I think we should rather use the glibc data that has good participation
> > > > from Linux, and IMHO
> > > > has better data quality for as number of locales, including Danish, my
> > own
> > > > language.
> > > >
> > > > best regards
> > > > keld
> > > >
> > > Gettext does not include translation of terms, only the plural forms,
> > these
> > > are related though quite different :)
> >
> > I am not talking about gettext, but about glibc locale data.
> >
> > Are you aware that glibc includes locale data, such as day and month
> > names, date formats
> > and other stuff?
> >
> > Best regards
> > Keld
> >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Broken dates in Ukrainian locale on Transifex due to mistakes in
> > CLDR:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**55247264/broken_dates.png<
> > > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55247264/broken_dates.png>
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you need my assistance in opening  a bug in CLDR?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea, In Hebrew it works
> > pretty
> > > > well.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Yuri
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Yuri Chornoivan <
> > yurchor@ukr.net>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>  Hi,
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> You might already realized that system-config-date
> > translations [1]
> > > > > >>>>> were
> > > > > >>>>> wiped due to minor mistake in template names (the original
> > > > template was
> > > > > >>>>> replaced by system-config-date interface template, then
> > restored).
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> The maintainer answered to my request as follows:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> "it seems that I've made a copy-paste error, I should have
> > fixed
> > > > this
> > > > > >>>>> now."
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Now the template is on its right place and the translations
> > can be
> > > > > >>>>> restored using POs from src RPM. Just extract it for your
> > language
> > > > then
> > > > > >>>>> upload to Transifex [1].
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Hope this helps.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Best regards,
> > > > > >>>>> Yuri
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> [1]
> > > > https://fedora.transifex.com/******projects/p/system-config-****
> > > > > >>>>> date/**<
> > > > https://fedora.transifex.com/****projects/p/system-config-**date/**>
> > > > > >>>>> <https://fedora.**
> > > > transifex.com/**projects/p/**system-config-date/**<
> > > > https://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**>
> > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >>>>>
> > resource/timezones_master/<**htt**ps://fedora.transifex.**com/**<
> > > > http://fedora.transifex.com/**>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > projects/p/system-config-date/****resource/timezones_master/<h**
> > > > > >>>>> ttps://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**
> > > > > >>>>> resource/timezones_master/<
> > > >
> > https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-date/resource/timezones_master/
> > > > >
> > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> [2]
> > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/******fedora/linux/development/**<
> > > > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**>
> > > > > >>>>> <**ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**
> > <
> > > > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/**fedora/linux/development/**>
> > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >>>>>
> > rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-******config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.**
> > > > > >>>>> **src.**rpm<
> > > > > >>>>> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.**net/linux/**fedora/linux/**development/**
> > > > > >>>>> rawhide/source/
> > > > > >>>>> **SRPMS/s/system-config-date-**1.**10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<ftp://
> > **
> > > > > >>>>> fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/**linux/development/rawhide/**
> > > > > >>>>> source/SRPMS/s/system-config-**date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<
> > > >
> > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm
> > > > >
> > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> >
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