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FLP Meeting 2008-03-18
by Runa Bhattacharjee 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hello, The next meeting for the Fedora Localization Project is on Tuesday, 18th March 2008 at 1900 UTC. The possible topics for discussion are listed in the following page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings Please add any other topics that you would like to discuss during the meeting. Thanks regards Runa -- blog: http://runab.livejournal.com irc: mishti or runa_b on Freenode, Gimpnet, Mozilla, LinuxChix

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FLP Meeting 2008-03-04 Summary
by Runa Bhattacharjee 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

FLP Meeting 2008-03-04 Summary ============================== Attendees --------- * Bart Couvreur (couf) * Dimitris Glezos (glezos:el) * Runa Bhattacharjee (runa_b:bn_IN) * ThomasCanniot (MrTom:fr) Summary ------- - A revamp of the ergonomics for Transifex. - No new module had been added uptil the time of this meeting. - No response received about the change in meeting time proposed. [1] - All blogposts about Fosdem have been collected here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2008#reports - No new module had been added uptil the time of this meeting. - Proposal to discuss the method to address Country/Region based difference in the same language - Discussion about cvsl10n group having access to the cvs/elvis for direct access for the 'specspo' module. Alternatively, individual translators can request for access to 'cvsspecspo' group. - The proposed Transifex command line interface would facilitate direct submissions for all modules, including large modules like specspo and avoid timeouts. - The Proposal for the Steering committee (FLSco) was supported. A draft action plan for its formation to be sent to the list. - User Interface test cases for Fedora to be proposed. - Fortnightly contribution to the Fedora Weekly News about important announcements, discussions etc. about the FLP Action Item ------------ o Post the string freeze for Fedora 9, a reminder mail about the new Translation System is to be sent. (couf/glezos) o Proposal for revamp of Transifex ergonomics to be sent along with the list of things to be modified. (MrTom has already proposed it on the mailing list [2]) o Method to address Country/Region based difference in the same language to be sent to the mailing list for proposal (couf/glezos) o FLSco action plan draft to be sent to the mailing list (glezos has proposed this [3]) o Send a proposed format for the User Interface testcase (sent by runa_b to the mailing list [4]) IRC Log ------- IRC log of the meeting is available at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-March/msg00075.html Thanks Runa [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-February/msg00007.ht… [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-March/msg00063.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-March/msg00040.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-March/msg00030.html -- blog: http://runab.livejournal.com mishti or runa_b on Freenode, Gimpnet, Mozilla, LinuxChix

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FLP Meeting 2008-03-04 IRC log
by Runa Bhattacharjee 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

<log> March 05 <00:35:17 * couf has changed the topic to: FLP Meeting - fedora-board meeting at #fedora-board-meeting and #fedora-board-public - init March 05 <00:35:19 * glezos_afk is now known as glezos March 05 <00:35:55 <couf> <meeting> March 05 <00:36:06 <couf> so who's here? March 05 <00:36:20 <glezos> Dimitris Glezos March 05 <00:36:29 <couf> Bart Couvreur March 05 <00:36:32 <runa_b> Runa Bhattacharjee March 05 <00:37:07 * MrTom (n=mrtom@fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <00:37:14 <MrTom> hi, ThomasCanniot March 05 <00:37:45 <couf> meeting topics: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings March 05 <00:38:06 <couf> anyone want to chair / summarize? March 05 <00:38:54 * glezos could summarize March 05 <00:39:24 * couf thanks glezos March 05 <00:40:08 <couf> so I'll spearhead this one then March 05 <00:40:42 * couf has changed the topic to: FLP Meeting - fedora-board meeting at #fedora-board-meeting and #fedora-board-public - new members March 05 <00:40:54 <couf> no new memebers here at the moment, this could go really quick March 05 <00:41:23 <couf> just wanted to know if we've seen a huge amout of newcomers since the final elvis-move? March 05 <00:42:19 <glezos> couf: no huge amount March 05 <00:42:37 <glezos> however, the latest feedback I got from the RH i18n team was that elvis had around 300-400 <active users March 05 <00:42:39 * tombolinux (n=tombo@fedora/tombo) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <00:43:20 <glezos> and currently cvsl10n has 280 <people, so I think the news are not bad. Could be better though. March 05 <00:43:40 <couf> right March 05 <00:44:07 <couf> have all the @rh internal translators joined us yet, or are they working on a different level? March 05 <00:45:00 <glezos> runa_b:? March 05 <00:45:09 <runa_b> couf: most of them are working via transifex March 05 <00:45:37 <couf> great :-) March 05 <00:45:38 <runa_b> couf: it would be best to float a mail on the mailing list to check the actual status as the teams are based at various locations March 05 <00:46:22 <glezos> runa_b: would you like to handle it? March 05 <00:46:35 <runa_b> glezos: sure.. :) March 05 <00:47:10 <runa_b> couf: your query was to check if transifex is being used by all? March 05 <00:47:46 <couf> runa_b: well yeah, if they've changed to the new system, if they all worked on elvis until recently March 05 <00:47:54 <couf> so you've actually answered that March 05 <00:48:14 <runa_b> ahh ok March 05 <00:49:03 <couf> lets just keep the "we've got the new system up, join here" in the news for a little bit longer, post-string freeze would be a good moment to send a reminder out March 05 <00:49:56 * couf has changed the topic to: FLP Meeting - fedora-board meeting at #fedora-board-meeting and #fedora-board-public - previous meeting updates March 05 <00:50:18 <couf> previous meeting was: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-February/msg00009.html March 05 <00:50:37 <couf> any updates on the action items? March 05 <00:51:18 * glezos sent the email for a new meeting time, no replies March 05 <00:51:20 * stickster has quit (Read error: 110 <(Connection timed out)) March 05 <00:51:28 <MrTom> ! March 05 <00:51:43 <couf> go ahead MrTom, speak freely March 05 <00:52:18 <MrTom> there is actually a new item to add : which is my work on the ergonomics of transifex, that i we try to handle by the end of this week, as I am in holiday till the end of the month :) March 05 <00:52:52 <couf> awesome March 05 <00:53:32 <MrTom> this should not be a whole revamp of transifex, but a "move this button there" to make it more consistent March 05 <00:54:19 <glezos> I like Tom's ideas in this area, and they seem easy fixes as long as we've got a concrete list of "this and this needs these changes" March 05 <00:54:37 <MrTom> you'll have March 05 <00:54:41 <couf> +1 March 05 <00:54:42 * glezos will jump right in once we have those March 05 <00:55:20 <MrTom> :) March 05 <00:55:23 <couf> which ties in neetly too ... March 05 <00:55:29 * couf has changed the topic to: FLP Meeting - fedora-board meeting at #fedora-board-meeting and #fedora-board-public - FOSDEM update March 05 <00:55:41 <glezos> To follow up with other action items, no new modules have been added March 05 <00:56:07 <glezos> I did some work to make sure every module works, and AFAIK every module that doesn't has a bug report open to their maintainer. March 05 <00:56:36 <couf> glezos++ March 05 <00:56:59 <couf> so next was a fosdem update (summary: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-February/msg00079.html) March 05 <00:57:07 <glezos> runa_b: any news from the UI testcase front? March 05 <00:57:29 <runa_b> glezos: nope.. i was going to mention it once we finish the agenda items March 05 <00:57:30 <couf> ow missed that, sorry :-/ March 05 <00:57:49 <glezos> ok March 05 <00:57:49 * stickster_ (n=pfrields(a)ip72-209-237-99.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <00:59:39 <couf> fosdem meeting updates: anything? or comments/suggestions? March 05 <01:00:43 <MrTom> not for me March 05 <01:00:59 <glezos> spevack collected all blog posts about it at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2008#reports March 05 <01:02:44 <couf> let's just wait for comments on the mailinglist March 05 <01:03:06 * ln- (i=lauri(a)vanha.ksenos.fi) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:03:12 * couf has changed the topic to: FLP Meeting - fedora-board meeting at #fedora-board-meeting and #fedora-board-public - Dev updates March 05 <01:03:32 * runa_b had a question about the FOSDEM meeting notes March 05 <01:03:42 <couf> runa_b: go ahead March 05 <01:04:18 <runa_b> couf: "Same language can be written in a slightly different way depeneding on the country (de_DE vs de_CH)" => What is the reference for this comment? March 05 <01:04:51 <runa_b> There are already quite a few language groups with Country-based differences...pt, pt_BR, bn, bn_IN March 05 <01:05:04 <couf> ah, some languages are spoken the same, but written differently March 05 <01:05:28 <couf> right, the problem here was that we don't really have a decent point of view on this March 05 <01:06:31 <couf> so the DE-maintainer (swiss) choose to write everything with a double ss, which would be wrong in real german (because they use this special beta-type charachter) March 05 <01:06:51 <couf> it was more of a concern, but imo it's inevitable March 05 <01:07:21 <runa_b> couf: ahh ok March 05 <01:07:41 <runa_b> I'd say it would really depend on the people speaking/writing the language March 05 <01:08:03 <couf> +1 March 05 <01:08:28 <couf> we just need to back up the people making thoose choices March 05 <01:08:47 <runa_b> right March 05 <01:08:53 <glezos> having some guidelines, though, would be helpful March 05 <01:09:04 * pygi (n=mario(a)193.198.164.196) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:09:05 <runa_b> how does gnome does it? March 05 <01:09:21 <runa_b> iirc..they have atleast 15 <Spanish locales listed March 05 <01:10:29 <glezos> I guess a Q on gnome-i18n-list could get some answers. March 05 <01:10:43 <runa_b> hmm... ok. March 05 <01:11:14 <runa_b> perhaps we could take it to the mailing list, might require detailed feedback March 05 <01:11:25 <runa_b> from other projects and language groups March 05 <01:11:41 <runa_b> there is also the issue about same languages using different scripts March 05 <01:12:28 <glezos> This sounds like an issue that affects particular languages March 05 <01:12:37 <glezos> so people from those teams could take a stab at it March 05 <01:13:09 * bpepple_ (n=bpepple(a)adsl-75-60-198-173.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:13:39 <couf> so let's take thuis guideline: choose whatever seems the most correct thing if in that certain situation, maybe do a small announcement on both the trans-list and also the <lang>-trans list March 05 <01:13:58 <couf> and from that point on, we'll keep it as it is, untill a majority wants to change March 05 <01:14:38 <glezos> Maybe we should discuss this on list with more people involved in the discussion? March 05 <01:14:51 <runa_b> +1 March 05 <01:15:07 <couf> sure March 05 <01:15:26 * stickster_ has quit (Connection timed out) March 05 <01:16:17 <glezos> Should we move on? (clock is ticking:) March 05 <01:16:22 <couf> indeed March 05 <01:16:23 * gregdek (n=gdk@nat/redhat/x-5ecf35989fba3a52) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:16:26 <couf> dev updates? March 05 <01:16:56 * bpepple_ is now known as bpepple|lt March 05 <01:17:22 <glezos> Not much from me ($dayjob too busy), besides making sure all modules work and the rest have bug reports opened March 05 <01:18:21 <couf> okay, moving on March 05 <01:18:32 * couf has changed the topic to: FLP Meeting - fedora-board meeting at #fedora-board-meeting and #fedora-board-public - /cvs/elvis March 05 <01:18:34 <glezos> asgeirf_ is working on fixing some DL bugs, I don't of any public push yet March 05 <01:19:00 <glezos> don't *know* March 05 <01:19:14 <glezos> What I do know is that he's a bit frustrated with it. :-) March 05 <01:19:33 <couf> well you know, it's DL :-) March 05 <01:19:47 <couf> why do you think it's Damned March 05 <01:19:50 <glezos> It's a good software, but designed in a different way than what we'd like March 05 <01:20:37 * wolfy (n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:21:20 <couf> glezos: you've had a chat about /cvs/elvis with petreu, need for any mentioning here? March 05 <01:21:34 <glezos> oh, yeah, I'd like your feedback on that March 05 <01:21:45 <glezos> currently cvsl10n has access to /cvs/docs/.*/po/* March 05 <01:22:01 <glezos> so petreu was wondering if we could have that for /cvs/elvis as well March 05 <01:22:29 <glezos> The reason is to have command-line access to specspo, which is a large module March 05 <01:23:00 <runa_b> glezos: is this in context to the permission error that petreu was talking about earlier in the evening? March 05 <01:23:07 <glezos> runa_b: yes March 05 <01:23:15 * wolfy (n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("If swimming is so good for your figure, how do you explain whales?") March 05 <01:23:16 <runa_b> ahh ok. March 05 <01:23:21 * bpepple|lt has quit (Client Quit) March 05 <01:23:28 <couf> I've never tried to upload specspo through tx, does this time-out? March 05 <01:23:30 * bpepple_ (n=bpepple(a)adsl-75-60-198-173.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:23:45 <glezos> Giving access to translators to specspo isn't easy, there's no way to do it and I woudn't like putting more weight on infra March 05 <01:24:13 * bpepple_ is now known as bpepple|lt March 05 <01:24:24 <glezos> So a specific translators could request access to the 'cvsspecspo' group if she'd like. We can't do it for all translators though. March 05 <01:24:44 <glezos> However, when the CLI interface for Tx arrives, this will not only just work for specspo, but for all modules. March 05 <01:25:26 <couf> what's the eta (roughyl) for the CLI? March 05 <01:25:41 <couf> if it's possible pre-trans freeze, I'd leave it as is March 05 <01:26:25 <glezos> couf: With the current amount of time I can spend on developing Transifex, 1 <month for a production solution March 05 <01:26:47 * GeroldKa (n=GeroldKa@fedora/geroldka) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:28:46 <glezos> Unless the web interface isn't working at all, I'm leaning to keeping things simple March 05 <01:29:10 <glezos> s/to/towards/ March 05 <01:29:13 <couf> +1 March 05 <01:29:27 <glezos> From what I see, submissions do succeed. March 05 <01:29:37 <glezos> If they don't, let me know immediately. March 05 <01:30:08 <couf> okay, and if they really want to do cvs: join cvsspecspo March 05 <01:30:33 <glezos> right. March 05 <01:30:46 <couf> okay, last topic March 05 <01:30:57 * couf has changed the topic to: FLP Meeting - fedora-board meeting at #fedora-board-meeting and #fedora-board-public - Steering committee March 05 <01:31:05 <couf> before AOB that is :-) March 05 <01:31:17 <couf> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-February/msg00071.html March 05 <01:31:24 <couf> and all answers to it March 05 <01:31:38 <runa_b> +1 <to the steering committee :) March 05 <01:32:02 <runa_b> how is it formed if its an initial committee? March 05 <01:32:15 <couf> officially the project is run by two leaders (RH-employees) March 05 <01:32:57 <couf> +1 <to SCo too March 05 <01:33:05 <couf> formation is pretty liberal March 05 <01:34:03 <couf> I'd go with the FDSCo way of doing stuff: which would be start a self-nomination period and have elections March 05 <01:34:11 <glezos> +1 March 05 <01:34:17 <runa_b> +1 March 05 <01:34:31 * palosba (n=chatzill(a)fw2.js26.ba.netlab.sk) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:35:07 <couf> for more info on there way of working: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/ March 05 <01:35:24 <couf> and more importantly http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Charter and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections March 05 <01:35:33 <glezos> I suggest to leave a couple more days in case someone raises any objection March 05 <01:36:10 <glezos> And then to have an action plan on this. Eg. Copy/adapt pages from Docs, propose some dates, request feedback, announce. March 05 <01:36:34 <couf> +1 March 05 <01:36:42 <couf> I'll flesh this out on-list March 05 <01:36:58 <couf> and lets see where it goes :-) March 05 <01:38:04 <runa_b> +1 <to glezos March 05 <01:38:24 <glezos> I am confident that enough people will nominate themselves for the board. March 05 <01:38:40 <glezos> especially when we have the appropriate wiki pages ready. March 05 <01:38:53 <couf> right March 05 <01:38:57 * bpepple has quit (Connection timed out) March 05 <01:40:33 <runa_b> couf: can i go ahead with the UI test cases topic? March 05 <01:40:38 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr(a)p54B107B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:40:43 <couf> sure March 05 <01:40:50 <runa_b> couf: thanks March 05 <01:40:52 <glezos> OK, we could continue this discussion on the list. Ask more people to join the discussion, I think most of them are feeling shy, although they have tons of ideas to bring. March 05 <01:41:39 <runa_b> Well the UI Testcases idea was to have a set of Testcases that would help people review the important parts of the translated User interface March 05 <01:42:08 <runa_b> Nothing could be done since the past meeting... no excuses.. March 05 <01:42:15 * GreyEagle (n=rob(a)71.93.75.225) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:42:26 <runa_b> I'd like to propose this idea on the mailing list tomorrow, if it sounds do-able March 05 <01:44:26 <runa_b> does it sound do-able? March 05 <01:45:04 <glezos> runa_b: everything is doable given enough time. : March 05 <01:45:05 * GreyEagle (n=rob(a)71.93.75.225) has left #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:45:05 <glezos> :) March 05 <01:45:17 <couf> I'd propose it, and see what the list thinks about doability March 05 <01:45:29 * couf has no idea what this is going to turn out to so :-) March 05 <01:45:34 <glezos> runa_b: Any chance of getting together people from your office to flesh out an initial draft? March 05 <01:46:03 <runa_b> glezos: i could send a proposal to the mailing list and then check with the QE team if they would be able to help out March 05 <01:46:09 <glezos> You guys have a great team and locality, so a lot of good stuff could come out March 05 <01:46:18 <runa_b> some of them are already on the FLP.. :) March 05 <01:46:43 <glezos> Right.. I was thinking of a f2f brainstorming session or sth similar March 05 <01:47:02 <runa_b> ahh ok...surely can check up on that March 05 <01:47:43 <glezos> ok March 05 <01:47:45 <glezos> great March 05 <01:47:46 <couf> that would be awesome March 05 <01:48:09 * couf has changed the topic to: FLP Meeting - fedora-board meeting at #fedora-board-meeting and #fedora-board-public - AOB March 05 <01:48:11 <runa_b> i guess there was a suggestin to align it with the page that vpv was putting together March 05 <01:49:15 <couf> right March 05 <01:49:26 <couf> so anything else on this subject? March 05 <01:49:36 <couf> or anything else on a different subject? March 05 <01:50:36 <glezos> A quick note to say that the server timezone has been changed to UTC March 05 <01:50:49 <glezos> so all dates appearing on the websites will now be UTC March 05 <01:51:31 * stickster (n=pfrields(a)ip72-209-237-99.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:51:49 * alexxed has quit ("Leaving.") March 05 <01:52:08 * couf closes meeting in 60 March 05 <01:52:47 * couf closes meeting in 30 March 05 <01:52:54 <glezos> ah March 05 <01:52:59 <glezos> I've remembered something March 05 <01:53:06 <glezos> Fedora Weekly News March 05 <01:53:09 * jcollie (n=jcollie(a)161.210.135.4) has joined #fedora-meeting March 05 <01:53:14 <glezos> Why aren't we on them? March 05 <01:53:49 <glezos> And what we could do to get on them? March 05 <01:54:13 <couf> because we've got no beat writer :-/ March 05 <01:54:41 <glezos> (FWIW, the FWN team just needs someone to get together the week's most important updates (if any) on a wiki page) March 05 <01:54:54 <glezos> every Sunday March 05 <01:55:37 <glezos> any ideas for my second Q? March 05 <01:56:35 <mether glezos: send a request for help on every avenue you can find March 05 <01:56:36 <couf> I'm willing to do it, but if someone wants to take it, go ahead March 05 <01:57:25 <glezos> OK, I'll blog about it, couf can you do so as well? March 05 <01:57:32 <mether glezos: usually getting covered in FWN will get more attention and more contributors, so it is well worth the effort to spam March 05 <01:57:37 <couf> yep, sure March 05 <01:57:44 <glezos> k March 05 <01:58:16 * couf restarts count at 30 March 05 <01:58:30 <glezos> couf: we could do it in alternate weeks if no contributor steps up March 05 <01:58:57 <couf> glezos: yep March 05 <01:59:06 <glezos> It's a pretty important medium, and as mether says, it will bring more contributors March 05 <01:59:12 <glezos> and attention. March 05 <01:59:56 <mether just covering important announcements and discussions wont take more than half an hour March 05 <02:00:03 <glezos> Hoping someone energetic enough would like to contribute back to the FLP this way! March 05 <02:00:52 <couf> <final-countdown> March 05 <02:00:54 <couf> 10 March 05 <02:01:00 <couf> 5 March 05 <02:01:02 <couf> 4 March 05 <02:01:03 <couf> 3 March 05 <02:01:04 <couf> 2 March 05 <02:01:06 <couf> 1 March 05 <02:01:11 <couf> </final-countdown></meeting> March 05 <02:01:21 <couf> thanks all March 05 <02:01:25 <runa_b> Thanks everyone March 05 <02:01:41 <glezos> thanks couf for spearheading March 05 <02:01:52 * couf has changed the topic to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel -- Meetings often get logged -- see schedule in the wiki for next meeting </log>

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Translation hackerthon
by Danishka Navin 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hi All, Sinhala (si-LK) community will be conducting a translation hackerthon on 29th and 30th March 2008. Appreciate your valuable ideas and major areas we should play around. Regards, -- Danishka Navin

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Improving Transifex ergonomics
by Thomas Canniot 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hey, I am in charge of submitting ideas to improve translate.fp.org and Transifex ergonomics. The fact is that webdevelopper are not specialists in ergonomics and so am I. But I had a course this year in the university about ergonomics on internet, so let's share this experience to make translators lives better. Issue #1 When you load translate.fp.org and we you go to transifex, the first things that breaks the tool is that it is not translated yet. This remains a problem for translators and for the website constituency. Issue #2 When you are in transifex, the first things most of translators may have to do is : login. Then the login area should not be at the bottom of the menu bar, but on top of it, or on the top right handside corner. Issue #3 Fedora is a big projet. Fedora has many web pages with a lot of documentation and information on it. And inevitably, Fedora websites suck into constituency : pick and choose three links from translate.fp.org left menu. By chance : * Join FLP (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/) * Fedora Home (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/) * Planet (http://planet.fedoraproject.org/) And wow ! Four ways completely different to navigate. It sucks, really, and it hurts. People have to learn four different ways to navigate and four different ways to search for the information they want. This *is* horrible. Issue #4 The welcome page of Transifex seems to need some improvements as well. Its menu bar goes into contradictions : there are two "modules" links. Great, these should link to the same page, as both links have the same word (modules). But they don't. However, you can know the difference between the two links when you move your mouse on them. The FLP Home > modules should definetely be named "translatable modules list" and the Submit (Tx) > modules should be name "Send your translation" or "submittable modules". Naming a link is very difficult because one has to sum up what someone may expect to see once he clicks on the link. There are two lists modules in our case, then we should differentiate them by the action people can do with these modules : get information about them, or submit translation. Issue #5 On this same welcome page, the link "Jump to the modules" is not appropriate as well, because it does not help to know where the translator will be directed to. Which module page is expected to be loaded by the user ? Will he be redirected to the page to look at module statistics or to the submit a module page ? It is the second option, it should be named "Submit your translation". Issue #6 Let's focus on https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/ now. This is quite a long module list isn't it ? The web developer thought the same and wanted to improve navigation for it. However, some points are missing. First, the button to go to the second page is not well positioned. It should be on the right side, not the left one. And there should be the same button under the module list, on the right side. Issue #7 The "Back to home" button is not appropriate. Which home is the user going to be sent to as there are both "FLP Home" and "Fedora Home" in the menu. So, where is "home"? Issue #8 On the same page, under the module list, on the left side or on the right side as well, there should be a "go to the top" button. Issue #9 On the same page, the cursor changes when it rollover the column "repository". What for ? If this does not bring new information, it shouldn't. Issue #10 Is the information given by this "repository" column relevant for translators ? It seems it is not the case, then it could be deleted. If it is relevant for any kind of user (for the maintainer of transifex for example), maybe it could only be displayed when he is looged in? Which means to have a profiled website. Issue #11 The links are not well formatted on the page. Downloading the pot file is made trough different pattern than downloading a po file. Bug #427155 explains this in details. Issue #12 Let's now pick up a module from the list at https://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/. Anaconda is a perfect example. Let's focus on the language list. You can notice the list is not sorted by alphabetically. It should be sorted alphabetically and not from the statistics of the most translated language. This way, it would be much easier to find the .po file of your language. Issue #13 At the end of each branch list, there should be a "back to the top" button. Issue #14 In the first part of the module statistics page, there should be a link to submit a translation for this module, as there is a link to display statistics when one is to submit a translation on each page module. Issue #15 Let's now pick up the anaconda module from https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/ There two icons on the right side are should be just before the "Module cache" with a text link to click on. Icons are not used as links in the website, there is no reason this should change :) Issue #16 At the bottom of the page, the "back to module" link is an issue either, the same as in Issue #5. The link could be called "submit another module". I published it as well on my blog at : http://mrtomlinux.org/blog/index.php?post/Improving-Transifex-ergonomics We'll discuss it with Dimitris when he'll be back :) Thomas

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i want to maintain Tigrinya (ti) translation. need help joining FTP.
by Yonas Abraham 14 Mar '08

14 Mar '08

can some one help me in joining the FTP? I have created account on the FAS2 and signed the CLA. I try to join the cvsl10n group. So I do I get approved? /yonas

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Heads up: Unavailability for a couple of weeks
by Dimitris Glezos 14 Mar '08

14 Mar '08

I'll be mostly unavailable for the next couple of weeks. Because of high load at my $dayjob, I will have very little time, if any, to dedicate to Fedora. In case you need me for something, please be patient during this period, since a reply might take some time. If something on our L10n toolchain seems to behave in a strange way to you, please take a look at the L10n FAQ. If the issue is affecting your productivity, the folks over at #fedora-admin might be able to help, but please be gentle as their plate is always full. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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system-config-* online docs
by Nils Philippsen 14 Mar '08

14 Mar '08

Hi all, Dim Glezos just activated the online documentation subtrees in my system-config-* modules[1] for Transifex, but I just learnt the hard way ;-) that my translation toolchain doesn't quite work as I expected and this needs some changes that I unfortunately won't get ready in time until tomorrow (i.e. Beta freeze). [1]: system-config-date, -nfs, -samba, -services, -users This means that until I fix my toolchain, you don't need to bother with any files in these modules which live in the doc/ directory. I'll post here on the list as soon as I've fixed this issue so that you can translate them (if there's enough time in the schedule left for you to do so). Feel free to ask me questions (or name me names ;-), but do Cc me as I'm not subscribed to the list. Thanks, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp(a)redhat.com "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011

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Outage notification (Transifex) -- 2008-03-12 10:20 UTC
by Dimitris Glezos 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

There is an unplanned outage of Transifex starting at 2008-03-12 10:20 UTC, which could last a few hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d 'YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM UTC' Affected Services: Transifex Unaffected Services: Translation statistics (DL) Reason for Outage: The Fedora Accounts System has been replaced yesterday by a shiny new system. This update unexpectently caused Transifex commits to fail. We're working to get it fixed as quickly as possible. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-l10n in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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[Bug 437355] Wrong language name for norwegian language
by Red Hat Bugzilla 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Wrong language name for norwegian language https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437355 katzj(a)redhat.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com AssignedTo|anaconda-maint- |dimitris(a)glezos.com |list(a)redhat.com | Component|anaconda |Other language Product|Fedora |Fedora Localization QAContact|extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org |aalam(a)redhat.com Version|8 |unspecified -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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FLSCo charter draft, Tx tracker bug
by Dimitris Glezos 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Since there seems to be a positive feeling around the creation of a Steering Committee, I've tried getting together a page for it, or charter. The Elections rules could be copied from FAmSCo [1] or FDSCo. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/SteeringCommittee How does it look? Too big, too bureaucratic, too good? What needs to be added or deleted? In other news, there's now a "tracker bug" for Transifex bugs: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436824 We can use this to track which bugs are open that need our attention, or require a follow-up in order our website to work as it should. If you open a bug against another product/component, make sure you mark it as a blocker to 436824. -d [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Election/Rules -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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Release Notes for F9 Preview Release
by Paul W. Frields 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Hi translators, The Docs Project looks to be on schedule[1] for having updated POT for release notes at 2359 UTC, 2008-03-17. We have some new folks learning the ropes with the F9 release, so we'll keep you informed if anything changes. Thank you for your assistance and hard work! = = = [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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modules in Transinfex
by Alexander Todorov 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi all, I wonder why there are some applications under "Various" rather than Fedora9. For example virt-manager and virt-inst. Also these two in particular do not appear under modules (or I can't see them). Thanks, Alexander. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH1rXmhmd3WOiFct4RCrziAKCT9zs4GYUucYh+K4SvqNcKHjAdEwCePCTQ 6k4+ae5vrlw/NuGLitshdR0= =GN5R -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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String in docs-readme-live-image
by pablo.martin-gomez 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

Hello everybody, We are translating the readme-live-image documentation (to french) which hasn't a component in Bz and there are an incomprehensible string : "As you explore the the cascading menus on or around the desktop, look for application programs you may wish to run. In addition, you may wish to explore other capabilities." One "the" have to be delete, that's ok (what can we do without Bz ?), but what "the cascading menus on or around the desktop" mean ? For me, I just see cascading menus on the panel (around the desktop ?) so why "on or around" (the right click?) ? Also, in the context, the word "capabilities" refers to what ? If somebody have an idea, I will be glad. Pablo

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Transifex translation not submittable through transifex
by Pavol Šimo 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

I just wonder why is translation of transifex not submittable through transifex? One can submit to flpweb and not to transifex? Or am I missing something? Pal'o

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[Bug 283591] New: Chinese translation for âPrinting' is not correct.
by Red Hat Bugzilla 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=283591 Summary: Chinese translation for ‘Printing' is not correct. Product: Fedora Localization Version: unspecified Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: low Priority: medium Component: Other language AssignedTo: dimitris(a)glezos.com ReportedBy: rockyac(a)gmail.com QAContact: aalam(a)redhat.com CC: fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com Description of problem: Chinese translation for Menu Item 'Printing' is not correct. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): F7 How reproducible: Open menu: System->administration->Printing. Now, the word 'Printing' is translated to '正在打印', it should be '打印'. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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How to commit to RHEL 5 branch?
by Alexander Todorov 08 Mar '08

08 Mar '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hello, is it possible to commit translations to RHEL5 branch? Or any other? For most of the modules I see only HEAD or master branch which essentially means rawhide. Is it possible to update F8 translations for example and they will land on the user system after the package is updated (e.g. bug fixes). Thanks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH0nlehmd3WOiFct4RCjg+AJ0WBFyvmZBVYbc6AkNz1FBEsoQH9gCeIczf Kd3BnPomnHvW0k9uSw33lMM= =MpwT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Updating/merging translations
by Alexander Todorov 06 Mar '08

06 Mar '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Sending again. Sent to local lang list by mistake. Hello, can some msgmerge guru help with the following situation: I have a RHEL5 po file with untranslated strings which are translated in F8/F9 po files for the same package. How can I grab only the translated stuff (without the new strings) and merge them with the RHEL5 po file? Any ideas are welcome before I sit down and start writing a script. I don't want to copy&paste strings but I'd like to re-use the work done by other translators. Thanks, Alexander. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHzsvehmd3WOiFct4RCsatAJ9Zo6cO3bx/ArurQCJH8Oz5+5kKcwCeIYGo YuUsIFOyEknQKJfRuFC4trY= =2c2h -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[RFC] FLP - User Interface Test Cases
by Runa Bhattacharjee 05 Mar '08

05 Mar '08

Hello, In an earlier FLP Meeting on 5th February 2008 [1], a proposal was put forward to create a set of test-cases that would aid in testing the Translated User Interface, prior to a release. A basic outline of the proposal would include: # Identification of the essential packages that would require User Interface testing # Identifying the testing areas (e.g. translation context, widget length etc.) # Listing specific and easy-to-follow test-cases for the testing areas, that can be used by the Translation teams # Test Result collection mechanism, that would help the Translation teams to share/archive the information Since, Quality Testing is a highly specialised domain, we would require inputs from Subject Matter Experts before a plan can be chalked out. Existing testing mechanisms used by the Translation Teams can also be listed and based upon inputs we all could determine the feasibility of the proposal. There was a /L10N/Testing Page listed earlier, but I can't seem to find it. vpv, can you point out the correct page please, if it still exists somewhere. :-) Thanks cheers Runa [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-February/msg00009.ht… -- blog: http://runab.livejournal.com irc: mishti or runa_b on Freenode, Gimpnet, Mozilla, LinuxChix

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No commit to /cvs/elvis/specspo possible
by Peter Reuschlein 05 Mar '08

05 Mar '08

Hi together, i just tried to commit some changes to the moved elvis specspo (now located at /cvs/elvis/specspo. But im currently not allowed [15:10] <mmcgrath> petreu: you're not in the "specspo" group to commit. [15:10] <petreu> hmm [15:11] <mmcgrath> technically "cvsspecspo" Who do i have to sleep with to get access to that group. Or is it restricted to the transifex system. Specspo files are pretty big so its much more comfortable to commit them via cvs. greetings Peter

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Entry for this language is not present in LINGUAS file.
by Dapid Candra 04 Mar '08

04 Mar '08

Hi, If I am seeing warning 'Entry for this language is not present in LINGUAS file.', what should I do? Thanks, Dapid Candra

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Steering Committee formation
by Paul W. Frields 04 Mar '08

04 Mar '08

Most if not all of the subprojects in Fedora follow the guidelines established by the Board for defining projects, found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DefiningProjects I'm not a big fan of organization just for organization's sake, if it stops people from being able to get things done. But steering committees in subprojects are *good* for a number of reasons, including identifying tasks, getting assignments made, and tracking progress. A steering committee serves as a central communication point between all the members of a subproject, other subprojects, and the Fedora Project Board. It also provides a unified voice and opportunities for solid decision making, empowering community leaders the contributors themselves identify and elect. I encourage the L10N (Translation) Project to start talking about an L10N Steering Committee. I also encourage interested community members to step up and serve as committee members to better organize and communicate about all the great work that's being done in L10N. Thanks to all contributors here for your hard work and incredible progress in making Fedora available to users worldwide! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Self Introduction
by majkimajki＠wp.pl 04 Mar '08

04 Mar '08

Hi, My name is Michał Klich. I am newbie polish translator. I am from Poland which is little obvious. I am deeply interested in OSS and rock climbing. I am also one of KDE translators. My PGP key pub 1024D/E1666C17 2008-03-02 Key fingerprint = 04CA 9B89 02F4 A2CF E3A9 1CC0 D9C5 6E36 E166 6C17 uid Michal Klich <majkimajki(a)o2.pl> sub 2048g/B4879ADD 2008-03-02 Thank you Michal Klich

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Re: FLP Meeting today (4th March 1900 UTC)
by Dimitris Glezos 04 Mar '08

04 Mar '08

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee <runabh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > Do we have a meeting to(day/night) at the usual time of 1900 UTC? I had proposed the Steering > Committee discussion to be included in the meeting for this week, but since there seems to be no > announcement yet of the meeting, perhaps I was a bit early to propose an agenda item :-) > > Any thoughts? It's probably too late to start a discussion about changing the time of today's meeting. :/ I sent an email a few weeks ago with some suggestions, so if anyone would prefer another time for the meetings (*cough* AU folks *cough*), please comment! http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-February/msg00007.html So, today at 19 UTC, #fedora-meeting. /me feels confident the AU people will be brave once more and step out of the bed for us to enjoy their company and suck out their brains. <g> As usual, the agenda is on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -d > > cheers > Runa > > -- > blog: http://runab.livejournal.com > irc: mishti or runa_b on Freenode > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list > -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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FLP Meeting today (4th March 1900 UTC)?
by Runa Bhattacharjee 04 Mar '08

04 Mar '08

Hi, Do we have a meeting to(day/night) at the usual time of 1900 UTC? I had proposed the Steering Committee discussion to be included in the meeting for this week, but since there seems to be no announcement yet of the meeting, perhaps I was a bit early to propose an agenda item :-) Any thoughts? cheers Runa -- blog: http://runab.livejournal.com irc: mishti or runa_b on Freenode

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