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Self-Introduction: Ronald
by Ronald 26 Nov '07

26 Nov '07

Hello, My name is Ronald :) I'm from the Netherlands, I live in Amstelveen. Currently I'm a pupil at the Alkwin Kollege (final year). This is the first time I'm getting involved into the Fedora project. So I'll keep it to translation for the time being :) GPG stuff: pub 1024D/61B6723E 2007-11-26 Vingerafdruk van de Sleutel = 01F3 AE26 768B 1D66 ECB9 17F9 B632 A45F 61B6 723E uid Ronald (Vertaler) <ronald645(a)gmail.com> sub 2048g/1C8DCF37 2007-11-26 Ronald

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Re: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ?
by Nicolas Mailhot 26 Nov '07

26 Nov '07

Le Lun 26 novembre 2007 15:51, Tom \"spot\" Callaway a écrit : > > On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 13:51 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> 7. The font situation is bad enough we have a font exception to our >> FLOSS rules >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#head-daa717ea096fa4d9cf7… >> [for example we ship Luxi even though its licensing forbids >> modification, making it non-free >> http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE11.html] > > Open a bug report. Let's start the process of having it removed in F9. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=317641 >> 8. There are efforts to drain the font licensing swamp and promote >> FLOSS fonts (http://unifont.org/go_for_ofl/) they are aligned with >> Fedora general objectives yet Fedora has totally ignored them so far >> (cf Liberation licensing choices) > > Keep in mind that Liberation licensing was a Red Hat, Inc decision, > not > a Fedora decision. > > Also, we haven't totally ignored the OFL, since it is listed as the > "preferred" font license on the Fedora licensing page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Fonts Wasn't the case when I wrote this :p Many thanks, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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Re: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ?
by Tom Callaway 26 Nov '07

26 Nov '07

On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 13:51 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > 7. The font situation is bad enough we have a font exception to our > FLOSS rules > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#head-daa717ea096fa4d9cf7… > [for example we ship Luxi even though its licensing forbids > modification, making it non-free > http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE11.html] Open a bug report. Let's start the process of having it removed in F9. > 8. There are efforts to drain the font licensing swamp and promote > FLOSS fonts (http://unifont.org/go_for_ofl/) they are aligned with > Fedora general objectives yet Fedora has totally ignored them so far > (cf Liberation licensing choices) Keep in mind that Liberation licensing was a Red Hat, Inc decision, not a Fedora decision. Also, we haven't totally ignored the OFL, since it is listed as the "preferred" font license on the Fedora licensing page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Fonts ~spot

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[Bug 395541] New: Transifex Request: system-config-rootpassword
by Red Hat Bugzilla 22 Nov '07

22 Nov '07

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=395541 Summary: Transifex Request: system-config-rootpassword Product: Fedora Localization Version: unspecified Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: low Priority: low Component: l10n-requests AssignedTo: dimitris(a)glezos.com ReportedBy: lkundrak(a)redhat.com QAContact: aalam(a)redhat.com CC: fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com Module name: system-config-rootpassword Description: A graphical interface for modifying the rootpassword Project webpage: none, possibly http://fedoraproject.org/ VCS root: svn+ssh://svn.fedoraproject.org/svn/hosted module: /system-config-rootpassword branch: /trunk File filter: (Is this meant to be a shell glob or regexp?) regexp: .*\.po shell glob: po/*.po Web front-end to VCS: http://svn.fedoraproject.org/svn/hosted/system-config-rootpassword (it might be inacessible at the time. Infra ticket deals with this [1] [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/243#… -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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Self-Introduction: Alexander Todorov
by Alexander Todorov 19 Nov '07

19 Nov '07

Hello translators, following the wiki template here it is: Full legal name: Alexander Todorov Location: Sofia, Bulgaria / Brno, Czech Republic Affiliation: Red Hat Czech s.r.o. / QE engineer GPG key : E88572DE Key fingerprint = 7BDB D236 6BEE B134 391F 6950 8667 7758 E885 72DE I would like to start working on Bulgarian translations of Fedora and will coordinate that with Bulgarian translations team leader. As part of my work I contribute small patches to various projects from time to time. Mainly testing/automation tools. Greetings, Alexander.

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FLP Meeting 2007-11-13 Summary
by Bart Couvreur 19 Nov '07

19 Nov '07

So I'm bad at this, sorry for being so terribly late in reporting Attendees: ---------- * Noriko Mizumoto (ja) * Davidson Paulo (br) * Ville Pekka Vainio (fi) * Robert Scheck (de) * Dimitris Glezos (el) * Bart Couvreur (nl) Summary: -------- * We had some discussions about what we did good and what could have been better with all the changes we've implemented between Fedora 7 and 8. Basic conclusion: we've done a good job, now we need to iron out the glitches and we'll be good * It would be great to add QA into our process, translators can commit stuff without having someone backing them up, which tends to impose some problems. Target: F9 * Helping out with maintaining our website is encouraged, the more, the better. If you want to help out, drop a note to the list * We've had some basic ideas for the F9 schedule, this will be something a separate mail will expand more on. * Noriko will do some more TQSG work and asks for some proofreaders to check her work. Next meeting: ------------- Tue 27 Nov 2007 19:00 UTC Thanks all for attending, Bart -- Bart <couf(a)fedoraproject.org> <couf(a)skynet.be> key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93

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FLP Meeting 2007-11-13 IRC
by Bart Couvreur 19 Nov '07

19 Nov '07

--- Log opened Tue Nov 13 00:00:31 2007 20:12 -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Translation Meeting -- init 20:14 < couf> so who's here? 20:14 < couf> BartCouvreur (nl) 20:14 < noriko> NorikoMizumoto(ja) 20:14 < DavidsonPaulo> DavidsonPaulo (br) 20:14 < vpv> VillePekkaVainio (fi) 20:15 < rsc> RobertScheck (de) 20:15 < couf> so hi all, it's been a while 20:16 < couf> meeting topics: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-November/msg00024.ht… 20:16 -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Translation Meeting -- post-F8 20:16 < couf> first up: F8 got released and it's the first release where we tried to be a bit more visible 20:17 < glezos> couf: viva la FLP 20:17 < couf> what's your viewpoint on how we did? 20:17 < couf> glezos: aye 20:18 < glezos> We did give it a good shot IMO 20:19 < glezos> especially from the viewpoint of the Freeze policies 20:19 < couf> ow yeah, that's a very good improvement 20:19 < glezos> which rose awareness about the needs of the translators 20:21 < couf> anyone else willing to comment? I'm just trying to evaluate our progress here 20:22 < couf> list of changes: move from elvis, translate.fp.o, transifex, policies, meetings, all around awareness, ... 20:24 < vpv> I think most of this stuff has gone quite well, transifex is nice, we now have somewhat of a community here, etc. 20:24 < glezos> couf: I don't think we ever saw such big changes and general stuff in terms of localization in the life of Fedora/RH Linux 20:24 < quaid> couf: from 0 news mentions to dozens(?) is pretty good progress 20:25 < couf> glezos: yeah, that's why evaluating this might be a good idea :-) 20:25 < noriko> I feel that especially we started to have closer communication and collaborative work with docs team as well. 20:25 < glezos> noriko: +1 20:25 < DavidsonPaulo> transifex and translations of websites were the greatest shots on spreading Fedora and getting contributors, IMO 20:25 < quaid> I feel like I'm seeing more complete strangers coming to the translation communities 20:25 < quaid> at least, via f-docs-list 20:26 * quaid is lurking ... sort of :) 20:26 < couf> quaid: you betya 20:26 < DavidsonPaulo> I don't know how doc team was, but I felt incredibly more comfortable working here than on Ambassador's team 20:27 < quaid> the rising visibility that is bringing new volunteers reminds me of the same thing happening in Docs since ~FC 5 20:27 < vpv> the ability to translate the website is great, I've seen some Finnish IT media giving links to the get-fedora page and it's good to know they get the Finnish version if their browser asks for it :) 20:27 < glezos> quaid: what's your reflection on the progress of the team? 20:28 < couf> yeah the idea that i18n/l10n was considerd for things like the new F9-schedule means a lot (coming to that later on) 20:29 < quaid> glezos: I could write paragraphs, but I'll summarize -- GREAT! +1 on esp. what noriko said about communication with all Fedora groups; you've had much better visibility and input into the rest of Fedora 20:29 < quaid> and I'm also happy to see I18N doing the same things 20:30 < glezos> quaid: me too, the fact that the i18n team is having public meetings etc is great, helps collaboration between the two groups 20:31 < couf> I'm gonna say this as one who has some background in it (initial meeting at Fosdem with glezos and MrTom): we've come very far in just over 5-6 months 20:31 < couf> cudos to all of ya! 20:31 < glezos> the move from elvis went "ok".. We could wait for after F8 but having Transifex as a F8 feature was good publicity IMO and was worth the small confusion for the modules affected (not too many core ones, moves were late in the schedule) etc 20:32 < glezos> couf: indeed. I think we did much more than what we had expected to do back then 20:33 < glezos> and meetings went great, I think they are great to keep interested alive and help us "do stuff" on a regular basis 20:33 < glezos> s/interested/interst/ 20:33 < glezos> grr interest 20:33 < couf> heh, yeah :-) 20:34 < couf> okay, so what can we do to improve for F9? 20:36 < glezos> Some important missing pieces are: Better docs for translation processes, have every module in our Transifex instance, continue working in awareness. 20:36 < ln-> suggestion: one should be able to select the preferred language as early as possible when booting the installation DVD. 20:36 < vpv> An idea I've had for a while: split specspo to smaller groups, if possible 20:37 < glezos> ln-: do we have a bug reported for this? If yes, we can push it a bit 20:37 < couf> vpv: yeah, that would mean something :-) 20:37 < DavidsonPaulo> "Better docs for translations processes". We need to stop using jargon when possible 20:37 < DavidsonPaulo> translate jargon is painful 20:38 < rsc> the translations also should be more free. 20:38 < glezos> rsc: in what way? 20:38 < rsc> most of the German translations are nearly translated word by word and with horrible typos, grammar etc. 20:38 < rsc> I don't know, whether this applies to other languages, too. 20:38 < rsc> Quality, not quantity. 20:39 < vpv> - Remind developers to add translator-credits to all the applications 20:39 < couf> yeah, that's an interesting thing: QA for translations 20:39 < ln-> glezos: not sure, i've seen some discussion about it, but it may have been the mailing list. 20:39 < glezos> rsc: That's an important issue that should be discussed in each translation team -- Is there a way we can do it centrally as a project? 20:40 < glezos> vpv: or jump in and do it ourselves.. :) 20:40 < couf> glezos: we could give some general hints 20:40 < rsc> glezos: well...just remind in general? 20:40 < rsc> of course each translator (team) is at the end for its own, no question 20:41 < glezos> vpv: how about creating a table in a wiki page and mark with green/red each module having/not having a box? 20:41 < ln-> what's the policy nowadays, is anyone given access to modify the translations (of his language)? 20:41 < couf> okay, someone wanting to put these ideas on a wiki-page so we can tick them off when done, sort of like the fedora-features? 20:41 < vpv> glezos: good idea 20:41 < couf> ln-: yep that's the basic idea 20:42 < glezos> rsc: good idea, again a page on the wiki with Translation Hints would make sense. 20:43 < glezos> couf: something like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks? 20:43 < glezos> (which is awfully outdated, which is bad) 20:44 < ln-> so a new translator can join and commit translations, maybe without the coordinator of the language even noticing it? 20:44 < couf> I think we can basicly conculde with: finalizing/cleaning up from F8 progress + keeping awareness up 20:44 < couf> ln-: yeah, you see the need of some QA? 20:44 < glezos> Oh, one major thing we should do ASAP is send an email to all elvis translators to go on and create a FAS account 20:44 < glezos> (and explain things a bit) 20:44 < couf> glezos: ah right 20:45 < couf> okay, shall we move on? 20:45 < glezos> ln-: well, the idea was that each maintainer would be requested to join the l10n-commits group 20:45 < ln-> couf: i see a potential risk in that, because sometimes people have more enthusiasm than skills. 20:47 < couf> that's the issue we're facing right now, we should investigate more into it during this release cycle, IMO 20:47 < glezos> ln-: Creating a draft translation hints page might be a first step? 20:48 < glezos> and then we could move it in the TQSG itself 20:49 < noriko> sounds organized. 20:49 < couf> this is something for the list I'd say 20:49 < glezos> noriko: we rock. 20:49 < noriko> :) 20:49 < couf> anything else to be added? 20:50 -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Translation Meeting -- translate.fp.o 20:50 < couf> moving on, any updates on translate.fp.o 20:50 < ln-> let's think this way: probably write access to the actual source code is not given right away to someone who chooses to join. 20:51 < ln-> that is because programming requires some skills, and i'd assume one has to prove one's skills somehow before getting write access. 20:51 < glezos> ln-: I think following the Docs approach, which is full access but close monitoring, is wise 20:51 < ln-> now, we shouldn't forget that also translation requires skills, if the quality is supposed to be of any standard. 20:53 < couf> I'm actually still in the unclear here: is transifex live right now? 20:53 < glezos> ln-: How about making all language leaders "sponsors" in the FAS, and each leader should give access for members of their team/ 20:54 < glezos> couf: last time I checked it was live 20:54 < ln-> glezos: sounds good... 20:54 < couf> b/c there's no link from translate.fp.o 20:55 < glezos> couf: well, let's say it was beta until now. :) 20:55 < couf> ln-, glezos: take this up to the list for further discussion 20:55 < glezos> I'll try to make it live at translate.fpo/submit/ in the following days. 20:55 < couf> glezos: ah well, I'd consider that not live then :-) 20:55 < couf> cool 20:55 < ln-> e.g. what the finnish team for Ubuntu has done (after anarchy), is that nowadays new translators need to write a short introduction of themselves and tell what have they translated earlier, before they are given access. 20:56 < glezos> ln-: good idea for already established teams, although it adds another step in the registration process. I did mention it at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join FWIW. 20:56 < ln-> (i'm of course not involved with Ubuntu) 20:56 < glezos> Quote from the page; Post a short self introduction to the fedora-trans-list mailing list and to the list of your local team. 20:57 < glezos> Let's discuss it on the list and hear what other language maintainers have to say. 20:57 < ln-> sure 20:58 < glezos> translate.fpo needs updating, and maybe some more helping hands on the XML files :) 20:59 < glezos> Piotr Drag has done some great maintenance of the files. 20:59 < couf> true that 20:59 < glezos> noriko: maybe someone from RH L10n could help a bit in keeping the conf files up2date with the relases/brancehs etc.. What do you think? 21:00 < couf> ow good idea 21:00 < glezos> IIRC ankit showed some interest, I can ask him 21:00 < vpv> btw, the Finnish stats are incorrect, is this a known issue: http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/fi/fedora-8 21:01 < couf> vpv: not only fi, nl is affected too 21:01 < noriko> glezos: yp, good idea. 21:01 < couf> wiping the scrathdir seems to solve it 21:01 < glezos> couf: will look into it. Let's have all these in the meeting summary to tick them in the next days. 21:02 < couf> glezos: sure 21:02 < couf> glezos: if you need any help with both, just yell 21:02 < couf> both as in: DL and transifex 21:04 < glezos> couf: We need some in DL. Transifex is OK I think. 21:04 < couf> all right 21:04 < couf> next topic 21:04 -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Translation Meeting -- F9 - schedule 21:05 < glezos> link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule 21:05 < couf> it's a bit early but we've got a prelimary schedule 21:05 < glezos> Almost 1 month of frozen strings, and then 1 month until release. 21:06 < couf> more info on: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f9/f9-tasks-details.html 21:06 < glezos> Sounds great from our point of view IMO, since ni the last month we can work on Docs/Website translations ;-) 21:07 < couf> well the idea is to get the website done much earlier, so we have more time, which is nice 21:07 < poelcat> i'd love to add a separate section for translation and docs 21:07 < poelcat> then we can create custom views of the schedule 21:07 < couf> poelcat: fyi, was following rel-eng meeting, wanted to have some input from here 21:07 < poelcat> and build dependencies between groups very easily 21:07 < couf> that would be really intersting 21:07 < glezos> poelcat: BTW, there are different string/translatino freezes for software (release schedule) and docs (docs schedule) 21:08 < poelcat> glezos: yeah, i need to talk to the docs people too :) 21:08 < glezos> poelcat: sounds awesoem 21:08 < poelcat> if someone wants to send me a list of tasks w/ durations and milestones I pop them in 21:09 < couf> heh, that's partly the same people, lol 21:09 < poelcat> s/I/I'll 21:09 * glezos uses a stranger's laptop for the meeting, please excuse the typos. ;) 21:09 < couf> poelcat: cool, will do 21:10 < poelcat> even if it is a wild stab in the dark... we can always smooth in out later 21:10 < couf> so is everyone okay with one month string freezing == translating lots in 1 month 21:12 < glezos> couf: The only worry is whether developers might find the string freeze too early. I think this was shown a bit in the previous release. We could ask from now on -devel-list. 21:13 < couf> glezos: that's actually a good point, we could request a string freeze two week before test3 or whatever it'll be called 21:13 < couf> and just do a lot more ahead of that 21:14 < couf> two weeks to iron out the last things seems enough 21:14 < couf> and/or move translation freeze to rc? 21:14 * couf just tossing in some ideas 21:16 < noriko> if we can have two phase for translation would be nice. such as one month freeze then 2-day freeze for last minutes change from developers 21:16 < couf> and zero-day update translations? 21:17 < noriko> do we have zero-day officially? 21:17 < couf> I'm actually wondering of creating a specific zero-day update for translations only 21:18 < couf> although that would bring up the whole one-package-per-language discussion again 21:18 < noriko> sounds cool, couf then forget about 2-day. 21:19 < couf> well let's take this to the list too 21:19 -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Translation Meeting -- training 21:20 < couf> I've been thinking of giving some training seesions for translations 21:20 < couf> using transifex, best practices, maybe cvs/svn/git/hg, maintainer tasks 21:21 < couf> what ya think? 21:21 < couf> just to get the new stuff known to all 21:22 < couf> I'll send to the list and see if there's some interest in stuff like this 21:23 -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Translation Meeting -- Open floor 21:23 < couf> so anyone want to discuss anything? 21:24 < noriko> let me update TQSG a bit. 21:24 < noriko> can I? 21:25 < couf> sure :-) 21:25 < noriko> :) 21:25 < noriko> as all already know, tqsg splitted into four chapters with four files. 21:25 < noriko> three files can be said ready to publish 21:26 < noriko> last file which is Translating_Software.xml, because my documenting skill is bad it requires a bit more work. 21:27 < noriko> I am going to work on this asap, then I need someone to proofread so that tqsg can finally be published. 21:27 < couf> noriko: take your time and let us know we you're done 21:27 < noriko> couf: ok. 21:28 < couf> anything else? 21:28 < couf> if not let's move to a close 21:29 * couf starts countdown 21:29 < couf> 10 21:29 < couf> 5 21:29 < couf> 4 21:29 < couf> 3 21:29 < couf> 2 21:29 < couf> 1 21:29 -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Translation Meeting -- Meeting closed 21:29 < couf> thanks all 21:30 < noriko> thanks! 21:30 < couf> next meeting: probably in two weeks 21:30 < couf> I might not be around then, but you can go ahead :-) -- Bart <couf(a)fedoraproject.org> <couf(a)skynet.be> key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93

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Re: Transifex Live -- please test
by Dimitris Glezos 17 Nov '07

17 Nov '07

(Oops, replied privately to Chester instead of all.) Chester wrote: > Transifex seems down for days. Did I connect to the wrong place? Just a quick note to say that Transifex is back up and running at https://publictest5.fedora.redhat.com/submit/. -d

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about cvs
by lukecui 16 Nov '07

16 Nov '07

Hi, I just can not checkout from i18n.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS, I got an error in cvs like: cvs [server aborted]: there is no repository /usr/local/CVS/anaconda/po cvs checkout: in directory .: cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory Error, CVS operation failed did someone else meet the same problem? Thanks, -------------------------------------------------------------------- 中国移动139手机邮箱，手机号就是邮箱地址，方便好记！请即登录:http://mail.139.com

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Self-Introduction: Daniel Ferreira
by Daniel 16 Nov '07

16 Nov '07

- Name: Daniel Chaves Ferreira - City: Uberlandia - Country: Brazil - Profession or Student status: High School student - School: COC - You and the Fedora Project - What other projects would you be interesting in working with?: I'll take only L10N for now. In the future, I'll try to work with docs, maybe Ambassador... - Anything else you'd like to do?: Get involved with other open-source projects. - Comments, Suggestions about the L10N project: Since I've just joined the project, I don't have any comments or suggestions. - Historical qualifications - What other projects or translations have you worked on in the past?: None - What level and type of computer skills do you have?: In general, intermediate. I have some knowledge of hardware too. - What other skills do you have that might be applicable?: I know how to use Photoshop/Gimp, Corel, etc, but I'm not creative. - GPG KEYID and fingerprint: pub 1024D/9D5465EE 2007-11-11 Key fingerprint = 61DC F708 EB52 9C3D EFF5 AAEB 1BB2 5D16 9D54 65EE uid Daniel Ferreira <dinhochaves26(a)gmail.com> sub 2048g/4F8C9872 2007-11-11

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