Hi!
Some links I came across today and thought people here might enjoy, to kick-start the conversation:
http://lwn.net/Articles/379423/rss - Luis Villa's post from Planet on why mailing lists are like parties is now on LWN.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=problem-solved-tic-tac-toe-... "In a blog post in January 2009, Gowers asked whether spontaneous online collaborations could crack hard mathematical problems—and if they could do so in the open, laying the creative process out for the world to see."
--Mel
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 06:01:48PM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
Hi!
Some links I came across today and thought people here might enjoy, to kick-start the conversation:
http://lwn.net/Articles/379423/rss - Luis Villa's post from Planet on why mailing lists are like parties is now on LWN.
Now that he and Mo have laid out some good ideas, I hope we can see some stuff soon. It's pretty good advancement. Having it multi-interface compatible is pretty key, simple, open.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=problem-solved-tic-tac-toe-... "In a blog post in January 2009, Gowers asked whether spontaneous online collaborations could crack hard mathematical problems—and if they could do so in the open, laying the creative process out for the world to see."
Nice! That is certainly a great story to tell, so you could post it and write a few paras here:
https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Great_stories_to_tell
One reason it is a story is because it is made up of multiple applications of the open source way. We'll want to start linking from the stories, or ... having some kind of pattern language-like usage as I did in the one story currently on that page.
We may want to be looking at ways in which we are applying this pattern language:
http://grouppatternlanguage.org/Home
And, wow, look at this that just appeared today, an application of the standard pattern language to online communities:
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/03/18/applying-a-pattern-language-to-on...
- Karsten
http://lwn.net/Articles/379423/rss - Luis Villa's post from Planet on why mailing lists are like parties is now on LWN.
Now that he and Mo have laid out some good ideas, I hope we can see some stuff soon. It's pretty good advancement. Having it multi-interface compatible is pretty key, simple, open.
Yep yep. For those who aren't readers of http://planet.fedoraproject.org, the posts Karsten and I are referencing are at http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/a-rich-web-interface-for-mailing-list... and http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/ - Mairin ("Mo") Duffy, Luke Macken, and Luis Villa kick around an interesting idea.
Nice! That is certainly a great story to tell, so you could post it and write a few paras here:
I added it to the list.
One reason it is a story is because it is made up of multiple applications of the open source way. We'll want to start linking from the stories, or ... having some kind of pattern language-like usage as I did in the one story currently on that page.
We may want to be looking at ways in which we are applying this pattern language:
http://grouppatternlanguage.org/Home
And, wow, look at this that just appeared today, an application of the standard pattern language to online communities:
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/03/18/applying-a-pattern-language-to-on...
Whoa. This is really cool.
I'm a bit overwhelmed, though - I'm not sure how to apply all these things to the one story (which I've only read the single article for). Maybe we could have storytelling time at some point, and then others could point out (inline) where various principles applied?
I'm not even sure I can remember very many of them - I think I've internalized this stuff so much I'm having a hard time remembering the names and numbers. Maybe each principle needs a snappy catchprase - some already have them, like "Quiet projects stay quiet. Noisy projects get noisier" - but, for instance, "You need a version controlled repository for content - code and documentation and art and etc" is less catchy.
--Mel
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 02:19:37AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
I'm a bit overwhelmed, though - I'm not sure how to apply all these things to the one story (which I've only read the single article for). Maybe we could have storytelling time at some point, and then others could point out (inline) where various principles applied?
I'm not even sure I can remember very many of them - I think I've internalized this stuff so much I'm having a hard time remembering the names and numbers. Maybe each principle needs a snappy catchprase - some already have them, like "Quiet projects stay quiet. Noisy projects get noisier" - but, for instance, "You need a version controlled repository for content - code and documentation and art and etc" is less catchy.
Yeah, we can work on reworking sections to be snappier sounding. I don't think we can totally (ab)use the pattern language method, but I like at least some call outs about how many ways a story implements the open source way.
Added to the big task list:
https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Big_task_list#Content
... a list which could maybe be (re)visioned in Trac instead ...
- Karsten
Added to the big task list:
https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Big_task_list#Content
... a list which could maybe be (re)visioned in Trac instead ...
So here's a crazy idea: book sprint.
Maybe with the http://writingopensource.org folks. Maybe around a major event like OSCON.
We seem to have a bunch of things queueing up here, and I'm guessing in a few months we might be able to really go ninja on this stuff in a short period of time with a lot of people.
--Mel