Dear friends,
I am sure some one has asked this before, but I can not find it: If I am on F6.93 Rawhide with regular updates and want to shift to F7 Moonshine, what do I need to do? Will it update automatically into the release version, or will I continue on Rawhide if I do not interfere with the updates? If I want to end up with the F7 Moonshine release version, do I need to: (a) do nothing, let the updater do its job (b) modify the updater (c) boot from an install disk (d) take some other action. Thanks!
Take care Oliver
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 11:29 -0400, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
Dear friends,
I am sure some one has asked this before, but I can not find it: If I am on F6.93 Rawhide with regular updates and want to shift to F7 Moonshine, what do I need to do? Will it update automatically into the release version, or will I continue on Rawhide if I do not interfere with the updates? If I want to end up with the F7 Moonshine release version, do I need to: (a) do nothing, let the updater do its job (b) modify the updater (c) boot from an install disk (d) take some other action. Thanks!
(d).
Install the fedora-release package from Moonshine, which will change your repo files to point to the Moonshine repos, and update normally.
-w
Hi,
2007/5/31, Oliver Ruebenacker curoli@gmail.com:
I am sure some one has asked this before, but I can not find it: If I am on F6.93 Rawhide with regular updates and want to shift to F7 Moonshine, what do I need to do? Will it update automatically into the release version, or will I continue on Rawhide if I do not interfere with the updates? If I want to end up with the F7 Moonshine release version, do I need to: (a) do nothing, let the updater do its job (b) modify the updater (c) boot from an install disk (d) take some other action. Thanks!
considering that regular updating today will already take you past F7 and into the new Rawhide, it seems safe to say that you have to do something. I am not sure what though. I guess, one can get a fedora-release RPM somewhere what will do the job?
Niels
On 5/31/07, Niels Weber nathelbiya@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
2007/5/31, Oliver Ruebenacker curoli@gmail.com:
I am sure some one has asked this before, but I can not find it: If I am on F6.93 Rawhide with regular updates and want to shift to F7 Moonshine, what do I need to do? Will it update automatically into the release version, or will I continue on Rawhide if I do not interfere with the updates? If I want to end up with the F7 Moonshine release version, do I need to: (a) do nothing, let the updater do its job (b) modify the updater (c) boot from an install disk (d) take some other action. Thanks!
considering that regular updating today will already take you past F7 and into the new Rawhide, it seems safe to say that you have to do something. I am not sure what though. I guess, one can get a fedora-release RPM somewhere what will do the job?
this should do: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/7/Fedora/i386/os...
however there's something i'm not sure of: the pre-realease versions ofthe packages are compiled with debugging afaik, so just updating the fedora-release wil not imho get rid of debugging symbols, right? and until _all_ the old packages are updated there will still be a performance penalty ....
2007/5/31, Gianluca Sforna giallu@gmail.com:
On 5/31/07, Niels Weber nathelbiya@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
2007/5/31, Oliver Ruebenacker curoli@gmail.com:
I am sure some one has asked this before, but I can not find it: If I am on F6.93 Rawhide with regular updates and want to shift to F7 Moonshine, what do I need to do? Will it update automatically into the release version, or will I continue on Rawhide if I do not interfere with the updates? If I want to end up with the F7 Moonshine release version, do I need to: (a) do nothing, let the updater do its job (b) modify the updater (c) boot from an install disk (d) take some other action. Thanks!
considering that regular updating today will already take you past F7 and into the new Rawhide, it seems safe to say that you have to do something. I am not sure what though. I guess, one can get a fedora-release RPM somewhere what will do the job?
this should do:
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/7/Fedora/i386/os...
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2007/5/31, cornel panceac cpanceac@gmail.com:
however there's something i'm not sure of: the pre-realease versions ofthe packages are compiled with debugging afaik, so just updating the fedora-release wil not imho get rid of debugging symbols, right? and until _all_ the old packages are updated there will still be a performance penalty
I thought the debug symbols were turned off again in the last run of updates before the release? yum shows no updates after updating the fedora-release, had the packages changed in between, there would have been new versions, wouldn't there?
Niels
On Thursday 31 May 2007 12:02:53 Niels Weber wrote:
I thought the debug symbols were turned off again in the last run of updates before the release? yum shows no updates after updating the fedora-release, had the packages changed in between, there would have been new versions, wouldn't there?
The path that rawhide gets published to changed, but before a new fedora-release was issued to reference said new path. chicken/egg issue (sortof).
Rawhide is now pub/fedora/linux/development/<arch>/os
On 5/31/07, cornel panceac cpanceac@gmail.com wrote:
however there's something i'm not sure of: the pre-realease versions ofthe packages are compiled with debugging afaik, so just updating the fedora-release wil not imho get rid of debugging symbols, right? and until _all_ the old packages are updated there will still be a performance penalty
I don't think this is exact. AFAIK, the packages are always built with the same compiler flags, so yes, debugging symbols are added (but you won't notice since they are stored in -debuginfo packages) but no, there is no performance penalty since the optimization are active.
The only minor(?) excepton to this is the kernel, where I think there is some debugging stuff active in rawhide affecting performances.
hmm, this is good and bad news in the same time. this means my celeron/533mhz/320mibRAM will still be slow even after switching tfrom f7t4 o f7 ..... thnx anyway :)
2007/6/1, Gianluca Sforna giallu@gmail.com:
On 5/31/07, cornel panceac cpanceac@gmail.com wrote:
however there's something i'm not sure of: the pre-realease versions
ofthe
packages are compiled with debugging afaik, so just updating the fedora-release wil not imho get rid of debugging symbols, right? and
until
_all_ the old packages are updated there will still be a performance
penalty
I don't think this is exact. AFAIK, the packages are always built with the same compiler flags, so yes, debugging symbols are added (but you won't notice since they are stored in -debuginfo packages) but no, there is no performance penalty since the optimization are active.
The only minor(?) excepton to this is the kernel, where I think there is some debugging stuff active in rawhide affecting performances.
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On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 05:47:26PM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
On 5/31/07, Niels Weber nathelbiya@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
2007/5/31, Oliver Ruebenacker curoli@gmail.com:
I am sure some one has asked this before, but I can not find it: If I am on F6.93 Rawhide with regular updates and want to shift to F7 Moonshine, what do I need to do? Will it update automatically into the release version, or will I continue on Rawhide if I do not interfere with the updates? If I want to end up with the F7 Moonshine release version, do I need to: (a) do nothing, let the updater do its job (b) modify the updater (c) boot from an install disk (d) take some other action. Thanks!
considering that regular updating today will already take you past F7 and into the new Rawhide, it seems safe to say that you have to do something. I am not sure what though. I guess, one can get a fedora-release RPM somewhere what will do the job?
this should do: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/7/Fedora/i386/os...
Thnx. Unfortunately, I updated this morning, and there were 117 (or something like that) packages updated; but already with all kind of fc8-suffixes. When I installed this rpm, is it possible in some more or less easy way to revert those updates? Now I have a 'mixed' system, which I would like to fix to a fedora7-system.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Wietse Muizelaar wrote:
Thnx. Unfortunately, I updated this morning, and there were 117 (or something like that) packages updated; but already with all kind of fc8-suffixes. When I installed this rpm, is it possible in some more or less easy way to revert those updates? Now I have a 'mixed' system, which I would like to fix to a fedora7-system.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Do a clean installation. Reverting will be a pain that's not worth the time.
Rahul
Dear friends,
Same thing happened to me: Automatic update created an F7/F8 mix. After the updates, all fonts shrank to ridiculously tiny sizes. I tried to fix it by setting all theme fonts to larger sizes, but some applications still use tiny fonts, for example the editor of Eclipse, although it is supposed to use theme fonts. Font selection tool in Eclipse does not work.
What a pity, I was hoping to have a nice clean full F7 by today, instead I have a mess. I signed up to test F7T4, not F8. F8 sneaked up on me.
Downloading F7 now takes forever. ATrpms is currently not responding at all, which I need to make my wireless working (at least, I think I do).
There should be an option in yum to revert the most recent updates. Is there? Thanks.
Take care Oliver
On 5/31/07, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@redhat.com wrote:
Wietse Muizelaar wrote:
Thnx. Unfortunately, I updated this morning, and there were 117 (or something like that) packages updated; but already with all kind of fc8-suffixes. When I installed this rpm, is it possible in some more or less easy way to revert those updates? Now I have a 'mixed' system, which I would like to fix to a fedora7-system.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Do a clean installation. Reverting will be a pain that's not worth the time.
Rahul
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On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 05:36:51PM -0400, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
Dear friends,Same thing happened to me: Automatic update created an F7/F8 mix. After the updates, all fonts shrank to ridiculously tiny sizes. I tried to fix it by setting all theme fonts to larger sizes, but some applications still use tiny fonts, for example the editor of Eclipse, although it is supposed to use theme fonts. Font selection tool in Eclipse does not work.
What a pity, I was hoping to have a nice clean full F7 by today, instead I have a mess. I signed up to test F7T4, not F8. F8 sneaked up on me.
Downloading F7 now takes forever. ATrpms is currently not responding at all, which I need to make my wireless working (at least, I think I do).
There should be an option in yum to revert the most recent updates. Is there? Thanks.
Well, what I did after all, was uninstall all the fc8 packages, en reinstall the fc7-version of those packages. Costs you some time; but finally it works the way I wanted.
Dear friends,
Wietse, did your fonts shrink, too, and did you get them back to normal? Thanks!
Take care Oliver
On 5/31/07, Wietse Muizelaar wietse.muizelaar@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 05:36:51PM -0400, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
Dear friends,Same thing happened to me: Automatic update created an F7/F8 mix. After the updates, all fonts shrank to ridiculously tiny sizes. I tried to fix it by setting all theme fonts to larger sizes, but some applications still use tiny fonts, for example the editor of Eclipse, although it is supposed to use theme fonts. Font selection tool in Eclipse does not work.
What a pity, I was hoping to have a nice clean full F7 by today, instead I have a mess. I signed up to test F7T4, not F8. F8 sneaked up on me.
Downloading F7 now takes forever. ATrpms is currently not responding at all, which I need to make my wireless working (at least, I think I do).
There should be an option in yum to revert the most recent updates. Is there? Thanks.
Well, what I did after all, was uninstall all the fc8 packages, en reinstall the fc7-version of those packages. Costs you some time; but finally it works the way I wanted.
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On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:00:45PM -0400, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
Dear friends,Wietse, did your fonts shrink, too, and did you get them back to normal? Thanks!
No, they didn't shrink. At least, I didn't notice. I had some trouble with NetworkManager, and was able to 'fix' that by downgrading the hole shebang.
2007/5/31, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@redhat.com:
Wietse Muizelaar wrote:
Thnx. Unfortunately, I updated this morning, and there were 117 (or something like that) packages updated; but already with all kind of fc8-suffixes. When I installed this rpm, is it possible in some more or less easy way to revert those updates? Now I have a 'mixed' system, which I would like to fix to a fedora7-system.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Do a clean installation. Reverting will be a pain that's not worth the time.
I don't think it is that hard. Just install the fedora-release, then do a "rpm -qa | grep -i fc8" and replace all those packages listed with fc7 ones from the repository.
Niels
Niels Weber wrote:
2007/5/31, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@redhat.com:
Wietse Muizelaar wrote:
Thnx. Unfortunately, I updated this morning, and there were 117 (or something like that) packages updated; but already with all kind of fc8-suffixes. When I installed this rpm, is it possible in some more or less easy way to revert those updates? Now I have a 'mixed' system, which I would like to fix to a fedora7-system.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Do a clean installation. Reverting will be a pain that's not worth the time.
I don't think it is that hard. Just install the fedora-release, then do a "rpm -qa | grep -i fc8" and replace all those packages listed with fc7 ones from the repository.
.. and deal with dependencies being messed up.
Rahul
Dear friends,
Why would yum or rpm mess up dependencies if you downgrade? What is the difference between upgrading and downgrading from a package managing perspective?
Take care Oliver
On 6/1/07, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Niels Weber wrote:
2007/5/31, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@redhat.com:
Wietse Muizelaar wrote:
Thnx. Unfortunately, I updated this morning, and there were 117 (or something like that) packages updated; but already with all kind of fc8-suffixes. When I installed this rpm, is it possible in some more or less easy way to revert those updates? Now I have a 'mixed' system, which I would like to fix to a fedora7-system.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Do a clean installation. Reverting will be a pain that's not worth the time.
I don't think it is that hard. Just install the fedora-release, then do a "rpm -qa | grep -i fc8" and replace all those packages listed with fc7 ones from the repository.
.. and deal with dependencies being messed up.
Rahul
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Dear friends,
I installed yum-allowdowngrades, I am using the --allow-downgrade option and I am specifying the full name of the package. Yet, yum refuses to replace any fc8 package by its fc7 equivalent. If I say install, yum says nothing to do. If I say update/upgrade, yum says no update information. What can I do? Thanks!
I was considering remove/install, but some of the packages are required by maybe about half of the others (such as zlib).
On the other hand, if I wait, will all those fc8 packages be updated by fc7 packages?
Oh, I just see I still have xsri for fc6. Is that something to be concerned about?
Take care Oliver
On 6/1/07, Niels Weber nathelbiya@gmail.com wrote:
2007/5/31, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@redhat.com:
Wietse Muizelaar wrote:
Thnx. Unfortunately, I updated this morning, and there were 117 (or something like that) packages updated; but already with all kind of fc8-suffixes. When I installed this rpm, is it possible in some more or less easy way to revert those updates? Now I have a 'mixed' system, which I would like to fix to a fedora7-system.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Do a clean installation. Reverting will be a pain that's not worth the time.
I don't think it is that hard. Just install the fedora-release, then do a "rpm -qa | grep -i fc8" and replace all those packages listed with fc7 ones from the repository.
Niels
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Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
Dear friends,I installed yum-allowdowngrades, I am using the --allow-downgrade option and I am specifying the full name of the package. Yet, yum refuses to replace any fc8 package by its fc7 equivalent. If I say install, yum says nothing to do. If I say update/upgrade, yum says no update information. What can I do? Thanks!
I was considering remove/install, but some of the packages are required by maybe about half of the others (such as zlib).
On the other hand, if I wait, will all those fc8 packages be updated by fc7 packages?
Oh, I just see I still have xsri for fc6. Is that something to be concerned about?
Take care Oliver
Oliver, Does it work? Are you having any problems? If not why are you trying to repair something that is not broken? ;-)
I run Rawhide, the development branch, and I have packages from FC6, F7, and F8 together and I have no problems.
On 6/1/07, Niels Weber nathelbiya@gmail.com wrote:
2007/5/31, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@redhat.com:
Wietse Muizelaar wrote:
Thnx. Unfortunately, I updated this morning, and there were 117 (or something like that) packages updated; but already with all kind of fc8-suffixes. When I installed this rpm, is it possible in some
more or
less easy way to revert those updates? Now I have a 'mixed' system, which I would like to fix to a fedora7-system.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Do a clean installation. Reverting will be a pain that's not worth the time.
I don't think it is that hard. Just install the fedora-release, then do a "rpm -qa | grep -i fc8" and replace all those packages listed with fc7 ones from the repository.
Niels
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Dear friends,
Yes, I have a problem: After the update, all fonts shrank to such a tiny size, that it is almost impossible to work. I enlarged all the theme fonts, but some fonts remained small. I had to enlarge the terminal fonts separately, and I still do not know how to enlarge the fonts of the Eclipse editor. Supposedly, the Eclipse editor simply applies the theme fonts, but it still uses tiny fonts while theme fonts have been made large. The font selection option in Eclipse does not work.
And there are a number of other minor glitches, too. Not unusual for Rawhide, but I would like to have a stable system for now.
Why was I on Rawhide anyway? Well, after trying in vain to set up IPW3945 wireless on FC6, some one told me that FC6 simply does not support it and I needed to go to Rawhide. I figured I had to make the hard choice of either (a) no wireless (b) no Fedora or (c) no stability. I need my wireless and I thought that if FC6 can not do it, other Linux distros might not be able to do it either. This was the beginning of my Rawhide adventure.
At least, I was able to make the wireless work, even if after a lot of pain.
Take care Oliver
On 6/1/07, David Boles dgboles@gmail.com wrote:
Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
Dear friends,I installed yum-allowdowngrades, I am using the --allow-downgrade option and I am specifying the full name of the package. Yet, yum refuses to replace any fc8 package by its fc7 equivalent. If I say install, yum says nothing to do. If I say update/upgrade, yum says no update information. What can I do? Thanks!
I was considering remove/install, but some of the packages are required by maybe about half of the others (such as zlib).
On the other hand, if I wait, will all those fc8 packages be updated by fc7 packages?
Oh, I just see I still have xsri for fc6. Is that something to be concerned about?
Take care OliverOliver, Does it work? Are you having any problems? If not why are you trying to repair something that is not broken? ;-)
I run Rawhide, the development branch, and I have packages from FC6, F7, and F8 together and I have no problems.
On 6/1/07, Niels Weber nathelbiya@gmail.com wrote:
2007/5/31, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@redhat.com:
Wietse Muizelaar wrote:
Thnx. Unfortunately, I updated this morning, and there were 117 (or something like that) packages updated; but already with all kind of fc8-suffixes. When I installed this rpm, is it possible in some
more or
less easy way to revert those updates? Now I have a 'mixed' system, which I would like to fix to a fedora7-system.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Do a clean installation. Reverting will be a pain that's not worth the time.
I don't think it is that hard. Just install the fedora-release, then do a "rpm -qa | grep -i fc8" and replace all those packages listed with fc7 ones from the repository.
Niels
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