2011/1/21 Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:03:02 -0500,
 "Clyde E. Kunkel" <clydekunkel7734@cox.net> wrote:
> Should they be visible?

I am not sure, but on a possibly related note, neither metacity nor
gnome-panel end up running and I have to manually start them to get
a usable desktop. I am not sure if they don't get started or crash.
I filed bugs for both of these.

it may be related to a message about rt-kit being unable to become <something i don't remember>. 

anyway, gnome + openbox works, somehow.