2016-01-29 20:44 GMT+02:00 Adam Williamson <adamwill@fedoraproject.org>:
On Fri, 2016-01-29 at 08:46 -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:

> I'm not completely happy about the wording of:
> " This criterion does apply to live environments. However, a stricter
> standard of judgement may be applied to conditional violations in
> live environments, as clean shutdown and log out functionality is
> relatively less important on a live boot than an installed system. "
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Beta_Criteria_Post
> install#Shutdown.2C_reboot.2C_logout
> For example logout is necessary if you want to switch languages (and
> our l10n test days rely on that). Reboot and shutdown is necessary
> for automating stuff. I'd use the same measure as in post-install
> here.

Hmm, IIRC this was one case that *really happened*, and I was trying to
catch the flavor of our IRC discussion at the time - my memory is that
we were willing to accept such bugs as blockers, but we'd maybe be more
likely to waive them for only affecting a small amount of users or
being workaroundable or something like that. I can go back and check
the logs again, though. What do other folks think?

 The Gnome logout hang/delay bug in Fedora 23 prevented changing the language in live images for me: I asked Adam about proposing it for a blogger. I never proposed it as a blocker as the issue got accepted under more straightforward criteria soon after.

I would rather have an explicit criteria for language change for beta if there is need to have working mechanism to change language before final release. 

Kari Koskinen