On 12/01/2009 12:11 PM, John Poelstra wrote:
Scott Robbins said the following on 12/01/2009 08:30 AM Pacific
>> Jesse Keating said the following on 11/29/2009 10:52 PM Pacific Time:
>>> From now on, Rawhide will not have install images. Rawhide is a never
>>> stopping never freezing repository of packages. To get to rawhide
>>> you'll need to start with say F12 and either point to the rawhide repo
>>> during install, or yum update to it post install.
> The wiki should be updated.
> Someone has kindly already posted Jesse's announcement on the forums,
> but, no doubt, we'll still be getting questions from people asking where
> is the rawhide boot.iso. :)
I guess that is part of the question I was trying to ask in my previous
post... where did we clearly tell people the install images were being
taken away? I was surprised myself.
Oh come on, you were even talking during the discussion.
Nov 09 13:43:08 --- zodbot_ has changed
the topic to: Fedora 13 (Meeting topic: Fedora Release Engineering)
Nov 09 13:43:14 <Oxf13> notting: you had a question?
Nov 09 13:43:33 <notting> sure. with respect to no frozen rawhide, should we turn
off images for rawhide when we do the -> f13 switch?
Nov 09 13:43:43 <Oxf13> notting: that's a great question
Nov 09 13:44:55 <Oxf13> on one hand I think we should, as it gets us closer to NFR
Nov 09 13:45:04 <Oxf13> on the other hand, I really wonder if we made the best
choice there, not making install images
Nov 09 13:45:29 <Oxf13> but *shrug* the time for that discussion as before, and in
the future, so sure, lets turn off images
Nov 09 13:45:50 <Oxf13> I do have one request from anaconda storage team to get a
installable tree of F13 content up somewhere, so I can still do that
Nov 09 13:46:05 <dgilmore> Oxf13: are we going to work on making nfr happen at
Nov 09 13:46:09 <notting> Oxf13: ok. that's going to require coordination when
we do the switch, as the only way to do that right now is to edit the script
Nov 09 13:46:15 <Oxf13> #proposal Disable image creation in F13 rawhide, as part of
No Frozen Rawhide
Nov 09 13:46:28 <Oxf13> dgilmore: before and at fudcon yes
Nov 09 13:46:35 <dgilmore> Oxf13: :) awesome
Nov 09 13:46:42 <Oxf13> dgilmore: I'd like to have some planning sessions before
fudcon so that we spend more of fudcon doing instead of planning
Nov 09 13:46:58 <dgilmore> Oxf13: that sounds sane
Nov 09 13:47:09 <notting> Oxf13: above and beyond the next 3 releng meetings?
Nov 09 13:47:54 <notting> (i just mean that we can co-opt them for planning if we
Nov 09 13:47:57 <Oxf13> notting: maybe. I still can't really see over the F12
wall, so I'm not good at this right now
Nov 09 13:48:11 <Oxf13> yeah, we'll at least use the releng meetings, but I
might call some IRC hackfest sessions
Nov 09 13:48:35 <dgilmore> Oxf13: so do we essentially see it as enabling F-13 in
bodhi. and pushing out a F-13 tree as well as the rawhide tree?
Nov 09 13:48:57 <dgilmore> the f-13 tree having images etc
Nov 09 13:49:02 <Oxf13> dgilmore: once we've branched F-13 yes
Nov 09 13:49:08 <Oxf13> that branching won't happen until Alpha timeframe
Nov 09 13:49:20 <Oxf13> once we branch F-13 for alpha, rawhide moves on to F14
Nov 09 13:49:45 <poelcat> Oxf13: i'll volunteer to help set up planning sessions
for FUDCon if you like
Nov 09 13:50:09 <Oxf13> poelcat: ok, we can talk. I really want to get F12 out the
door though and breath for a day or so
Nov 09 13:50:18 <dgilmore> Oxf13: ok. i guess i missed something. since i thought
there would be a bodhi controlled f13 stream as soon as we switch nfr on
Nov 09 13:50:20 <poelcat> Oxf13: ok, let me know
Nov 09 13:50:27 <dgilmore> ill go back and reread the proposal
Nov 09 13:50:30 <Oxf13> dgilmore: no, that only happens once we branch
Nov 09 13:50:52 <Oxf13> does anybody disagree with enacting the no images in rawhide
part of NFR for F13 rawhide?
Nov 09 13:51:18 <dgilmore> Oxf13: i dont, because anyone wanting an image can make
Nov 09 13:51:49 <warren> what kind of images?
Nov 09 13:51:54 <Oxf13> install.img
Nov 09 13:51:56 <dgilmore> warren: all images
Nov 09 13:51:59 <warren> oh
Nov 09 13:52:03 <Oxf13> rawhide == just a repo of packages
Nov 09 13:53:35 <pjones> by "no images", he means "don't run
pungi on it"
Nov 09 13:53:48 <Oxf13> yep
Nov 09 13:53:57 <Oxf13> hi pjones (:
Nov 09 13:54:01 <pjones> hello.
Nov 09 13:54:04 <Oxf13> pjones: your still on board with this idea right?
Nov 09 13:54:24 <pjones> I don't see a big issue with it; running pungi is easy
enough once you drive some policy rules about how to do it into your head.
Nov 09 13:54:42 <pjones> (always remove the whole pungi directory ahead of time,
Nov 09 13:55:03 <Oxf13> pjones: wonder if I could make that better by automatically
blowing away things unless you pass --no-clean
Nov 09 13:55:17 <dgilmore> Oxf13: likely
Nov 09 13:55:47 <Oxf13> #agreed F-13 rawhide will be just a repo of packages, as per
no frozen rawhide
Since we are changing the way we've been doing things for 12
have we considered getting the word out through some news article and
Yeah, that's a fair point.
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