On 01/03/2013 08:05 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 01/03/2013 02:09 PM, Josef Skladanka wrote:
I'm absolutely +1 with jeischmann and jreznik on this matter.
Keyboard layouts are broken almost every other (if not every one) Fedora release. The same exact encrypt-prompt issue was (at least) in F16, and we released it anyway.
I'm not saying that we should just blindly say "it's late, let's ship it", but quite a few of these bugs (which adamw mentioned) IMHO are either present (not saying the exact ones, but the 'type' of the bugs) in Fedora for quite some time already, or just are not clear show-stoppers.

Which to me makes it more urgent to become a showstopper.

Ignore that broken behavior and just releasing has not gotten those thing properly fixed now has it...

JBG
I think the main thing here that adam was getting at is not the "individual bugs that we keep saying we'll fix and have accepted at release in the past" (but never seem to, as an aside point), but more of the sum of all things combined.  Yes, the release criteria provides a bit of wiggle room here, but there is also guidance about using judgement about things like # of users potentially affected, the ease of fixing things for both knowledgable users and uninformed users, etc.

My concern here is mostly that we all keep to be pointing to workarounds but I question how many of these workarounds are going to basically land someone on the doorstep of another language-related bug. ie: "oh, you can work around the encryption issue by doing X, except X doesn't work because your translation isn't done," etc.  And this is what adam more or less pointed out in 889562.

The fact that bengali is 33% done being translated does jump out at me a bit, as does chinese defaulting to the US keyboard.  These are not insignificant populations.

Most of the indic languages defaulting to the guajarati keyboard is something we might look at - I almost wonder if that is somehow intentional, all of the languages that are affected seem to support inscript. (It may be related to the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Inscript2_Keymaps feature, or not, but it might be worth asking the feature owner for any useful insight he might have about keyboard usage.)  But if it's not intentional and it's screwing things up, well, that's a pretty significantly large population as well.

-r