On Fri, 2016-01-29 at 08:46 -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:
> Since people seemed to be on board with this approach, I've
> drafts. Here they are:
> You can see the diff to the current criteria in the page history (I
> first saved an exact copy of the current criteria, then made the
> changes). Any thoughts on the specific changes are welcome! Thanks.
Thanks for the drafts.
I hesitate whether we should mandate working updates in live environment:
Er, we wouldn't? That criterion still explicitly states "The installed
system". When a criterion had text like that I didn't think it
necessary to *also* add some text saying "doesn't apply to live
environments", since that's just two ways of saying the same thing.
Installing anything else than just a few small packages usually
doesn't work at all, because you run out of allocated disk overlay
memory (which seems to happen very soon even for systems with large
amounts of physical RAM). The question is whether we want this to
work "in a reasonable degree" (small updates), or whether we don't
want to require it on Live at all.
Yes, it was entirely my intent that this one not apply to live systems.
I'm not completely happy about the wording of:
" This criterion does apply to live environments. However, a stricter
standard of judgement may be applied to conditional violations in
live environments, as clean shutdown and log out functionality is
relatively less important on a live boot than an installed system. "
For example logout is necessary if you want to switch languages (and
our l10n test days rely on that). Reboot and shutdown is necessary
for automating stuff. I'd use the same measure as in post-install
Hmm, IIRC this was one case that *really happened*, and I was trying to
catch the flavor of our IRC discussion at the time - my memory is that
we were willing to accept such bugs as blockers, but we'd maybe be more
likely to waive them for only affecting a small amount of users or
being workaroundable or something like that. I can go back and check
the logs again, though. What do other folks think?
Thanks for checking the drafts!
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