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= Attendees =
* Will Woods (wwoods)
* Adam Williamson (adamw)
* James Laska (jlaska)
* Jóhann Guðmundsson (viking_ice)
* Jesse Keating (f13)
= Previous meeting follow-up =
* [jlaska+adamw] mediawiki semantic update (packaging and hosting)
** ''REVIEWED'' - [[rhbug:490001|490001]] - Review Request:
mediawiki-semantic - The semantic extension to mediawiki
** ''UNDER REVIEW'' - [[rhbug:490171|490171]] - Review Request:
mediawiki-semantic-forms - An extension to MediaWiki that adds support
for web-based forms
*** [[User:tibbs]] posted some additional concerns for
''mediawiki-semantic-forms'' around licensing which I haven't followed
up on yet
*** request infrastructure hosting
* [f13+wwoods] - autoqa status update
** wwoods checked in an initial verifytree test case
** f13 hoping to make a watcher for post-tree-compose
** Next steps ...
**# focus on the tree based tests
**# figuring out better reporting for the existing tests
* [adamw] - schedule radeon test day
** Schedule and happening today! -
* [jlaska] - copy F11 beta test results wiki changes into the wiki
template (several test case additions)
** Template updated
with help from wwoods and jlaska
* [wwoods] - to add some upgrade test cases to the beta results page
** No upgrade cases added yet
* [jlaska] - add Beta known issues for previous disk contents, kickstart
issues, KVM NAT networking problems (use static ip)
** Met Friday to discuss and add issues to the release notes ...
* [wwoods] - document any upgrade issues in the Beta release notes
** Bug#492516 added to release notes
* [jlaska] - setup meeting to review RC test results for Friday
afternoon to include release engineering (JesseKeating) and
anaconda-devel and any RC testers.
** We met on Friday @ noon EDT in #fedora-qa and hashed out the bug list
currently listed in
= F-11-Beta - who/what/when/where/why? =
The beta was released! See announcement from Jesse Keating -
* Useful links:
** '''F-11 Schedule''' -
** '''Where to record test results''' -
** '''Current list of open Beta blockers''' -
** '''Beta release notes''' -
= Open discussion =
== F10 syslinux package ==
Adamw noted that livecd-iso-to-disk is failing on F10 systems when
trying to create F11 live images. A lot of Test Day testers are writing
their live images only to find the systems are not bootable due to a bug
in the F10 syslinux package.
== Schedule Change proposal ==
Wwoods provided an update on the initial schedule proposal raised in the
previous meeting. After discussion and research, concluded this effort
is not worth continuing. Instead, time should be spent on better tools
for testing and reporting, so we can do more efficient testing.
== Communication of Beta Known Issues ==
* jlaska asked how well we are holding up with our conclusion from the
* Adamw suggested that while the announcement links to the release
notes, it doesn't specify the Known issues. Perhaps this could change
for future milestones (check-in with Rahul)?
* Wwoods reminded us about Warren Togami's rawhide status blog -
== Fedora Calendaring System ==
Adamw noted that the infrastructure team is moving closer to
infrastructure hosted calendaring system. More details on
= Upcoming QA events =
* 2009-04-02 - [[QA/Test_Days/2009-04-02|Power Management Test Day]]
* 2009-04-07 - [[Test_Day:2009-04-07|Anaconda Storage Rewrite Part#2]]
* 2009-04-09 - [[Test_Day:2009-04-09|UEFI]]
= Action items =
* [wwoods] - autoqa: work on better (clearer) reporting from existing
* [f13] - autoqa: work on monitor for post-tree-compose
* [adamw] - will file a F10 bug for the syslinux issue, initiate
discussion with pjones or jeremy for building a updated F10 package
* [jlaska] - check-in with Warren Togami on the rawhidewatch blog ...
can Fedora QA help ... what is his vision?
* [jlaska+wwoods] - discuss integration between lab-in-a-box and autoqa
= Next QA meeting =
The next meeting will be held on
[http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month... 2009-04-08 16:00 UTC]
while i'm on a roll, on both the i386 and x86_64 installs, when i
select the default partitioning (/dev/sda1 for /boot and LV for the
root fs), the progress bar dialog that comes up doesn't slowly show
formatting progress from left to right as it used to.
instead, a progress indicator bounces frantically back and forth
from left to right until the formatting is done. is this a new
feature? it's kind of disconcerting.
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A efault Gnome Rawhide PXEBOOT 64 bit install still does not
pull in a real audio mixer, one that can switch inputs, etc.
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This is the part where I usually come up with something clever to say
before the useful information regarding a development release. I had
something great, I really did. In fact I had the most clever statement
in the world. Only you see, my cat jumped on my keyboard, right when I
was testing emacs (I don't even use emacs!) and the darn X session just
got zapped! All my cleverness gone, and this, well this is just a
When Fedora 10 was released, users and press alike gushed: "Slick and
stable... has a rock solid feel." "Fast and easy." "A great release."
What's next for the free operating system that shows off the best new
technology of tomorrow? You can find out at:
We also hope to repeat the crazy success of Fedora 10's Beta contest!
Test five things in the Beta that are important to you as a user. If you
find a bug *and* report it, you get the free attention of a package
maintainer on a problem personally important to you! Do your part to
make Fedora 11 that much better.
Among the top features of this ground-breaking release:
* Automatic Fonts & Mime Installer - Allows programs on the
desktop to automatically install applications, fonts, multimedia
capabilities, and clipart.
* Fingerprint Readers - Better experience for systems with
fingerprint readers, including support through the graphical
Authentication Configuration tool and gnome-about-me.
* Intel, ATI, and Nvidia kernel modesetting - Fedora 10 provided
the first steps by a major distribution in using the kernel
modesetting (KMS) feature to speed up graphical boot. Fedora 11
has increased the video card coverage of the KMS feature, with
more to come.
* Virt Console - Fedora 11 provides more accurate mouse pointer
positioning and higher screen resolutions for virtual machine
consoles, along with other improvements such as simpler use of
* MinGW Cross-compiler - Build and test full-featured Microsoft
Windows programs, from the comfort of a Fedora system, without
needing to use that "other OS."
* Volume Control - The multimedia experience of Fedora users is
improved by an easily understandable and much more flexible
But wait, there's more! For developers there are all sorts of goodies:
* Python 2.6 - This new version in Fedora is a precursor to Python
3000 (3.0), including many compatibility measures to help
developers get their code prepared for the next generation of
* NetBeans 6.5 - NetBeans IDE 6.5 is a significant update of
and database support.
* gcc 4.4 - The gcc compiler suite has been updated to the latest
version, featuring better error detection for the latest in
safety and execution.
* Eclipse profiling tools - Add the power of various native
profiling tools into the Eclipse IDE and integrate with the rest
of the development environment.
Peek under the hood and there is still more:
* Desktop Environments - Updates to Gnome 2.26 and KDE 4.2.1 bring
the latest innovations and functionality to desktop users. Xfce
and Sugar have also been updated.
* Anaconda Storage - New storage code for the Anaconda installer
improves the ability to handle new types of storage. The rewrite
does not change the user interface.
* Minimal Platform - New installer features make it much easier to
create very small installations for embedded applications, such
as for a server or desktop appliance.
* Control groups - Allows system administrator to partition the
system resources into different sub groups, and dedicate these
sub groups resources to different applications' need.
* DeviceKit - A simple, modular system service to manage devices
and designed to partially replace HAL. Users gain a graphical
disk management application that integrates nicely into the
* DNS Security - DNSSEC (DNS SECurity) is a mechanism that can
prove integrity and authenticity of DNS data.
* ext4 filesystem - ext4 is the new default file system for Fedora
11 (replacing ext3) allowing for larger file system support and
better performance by providing real-time fragmentation
prevention and smarter data allocations.
* sVirt MAC - sVirt integrates SELinux with the Fedora
virtualization stack to allow Mandatory Access Control (MAC)
security be applied to guest virtual machines
* Power Management - Fedora 11 includes new power monitoring
utilities and a new system daemon that automatically adjusts
power settings to reflect the current system use. There is also
a facility to review the system and make suggestions on
improving power consumption.
* IBus input method - Ibus has been rewritten in C, and provides a
simple, clean default system for changing the way international
users input information into a Fedora system.
And that is only the beginning. A more complete list and details of each
new cited feature is available:
For release information, including common and known bugs, please refer
to the release notes:
Since this is a Beta release, there may still be some rough spots still
in the polishing phase. Some of them are already known and in the
process of fixing. If you find a problem, please check the list of known
issues and then file a bug:
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
Dear fellow testers,
I have a little problem, I think the culprit is gdm. I start my computer and I try to login to a user and it gives me the login screen again. I do it again and the same thing happens. I then restart my machine in level 3 and login as myself and type startx and my X session begins.
Video Card is an ATI radeon, hopefully will be ready for that TEST DAY?
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[root@riohigh ~]# rpm -qa gdm*
This happens on only one machine, the other one logins fine automagically :), and it has INTEL chipset(Toshiba Laptop)
Yes that's right, we packed two test days into one week again. As you
know, Wednesday (2009-04-01) will focus on testing the Radeon driver
. I'd like to also invite you to join #fedora-qa this Thursday
(2009-04-02) to help test Power Management.
While the Fedora 11 PowerManagement feature  targets laptop use
cases, the tools and tests are designed to run anywhere. Testers may be
familiar with the 'powertop' utility from previous Fedora releases.
During the day we'll be using several new utilities including bltk and
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, April 2, 2009 to share your Power
Management test results. A Fedora live image is available to aid
testing. Stay tuned for more details at
Uh..... I downloaded F11 beta Live x86_64 (bittorrent) and proceeded to
use liveusb-creator to place it on my USB stick, which had F10 (wiped
clean). Upon booting the grub screen showed up like I entered the Matrix.
This video is taken directly after BIOS POST. Any pointers?
Ever since yesterday's big update, I've been unable to login to my
account through gdm. After entering my user name and password, the PAM
conversation continues with gdm asking me, "Would you like to enter a
security context?" On entering "N" the login fails and the gdm greeter
denies login with "Unable to open session" while pausing for some time,
often requiring Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to reclaim control of the computer.
After entering "N", the following messages appear in /var/log/secure,
> Mar 31 17:50:13 mercury pam: gdm: pam_selinux(gdm:session): Unable to get valid context for ben
> Mar 31 17:50:13 mercury pam: gdm: pam_unix(gdm:session): session opened for user ben by (uid=0)
After entering my password, the following message appears in
> type=LOGIN msg=audit(1238536335.839:224): login pid=5330 uid=0 old auid=500 new auid=500 old ses=1 new ses=15
Followed by the following messages after entering "N" to entering a
> type=USER_START msg=audit(1238536339.236:225): user pid=5330 uid=0 auid=500 ses=15 subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_
r:unconfined_ t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='op=PAM:session_open acct="ben"
exe="/usr/libexec/gdm-session-worker" (hostname=?, addr=?, terminal=:0
> type=USER_LOGIN msg=audit(1238536339.236:226): user pid=5330 uid=0 auid=500 ses=15 subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_ t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='uid=500: exe="/usr/libexec/gdm-session-worker" (hostname=?, addr=?, terminal=/dev/tty7 res=failed)'
> type=CRED_DISP msg=audit(1238536339.237:227): user pid=5330 uid=0 auid=500 ses=15 subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t :s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='op=PAM:setcred acct="ben" exe="/usr/libexec/gdm-session-worker" (hostname=?, addr=?, terminal=:0 res=success)'
Anyone have any idea what might cause such a failure? I would be more
than happy to provide any information neccessary to identify the
root-cause of the problem. Thanks,