Greetings all --
I created a change request for a new fedora spin, Netizen Spin, for F23.
The change request page can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin
The spin page is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netizen_Spin
Please advise accordingly so that this spin my be included in the upcoming F23 release.
Thanks in advance,
--Corey
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Corey Leong wrote:
The change request page can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin The spin page is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netizen_Spin
I assume that this spin would involve shipping some software in Fedora with defaults significantly other than their defaults overall or in Fedora Workstation. If so, let's talk about that.
Right now, the "scope" section suggests that this will primarily be an _appearance_ thing — or at least, look-and-feel. I'm afraid that this might actually be somewhat deceptive, if that's the case — people might assume that the goal is similar to that of stand-alone distributions aimed at privacy/anonymity, like Tails.
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 17:14:43 -0400, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Corey Leong wrote:
The change request page can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin The spin page is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netizen_Spin
I assume that this spin would involve shipping some software in Fedora with defaults significantly other than their defaults overall or in Fedora Workstation. If so, let's talk about that.
That's what I thought too. The introduction was very grandiose, but the spin details doesn't cover any more than a package list. And just having some special packages installed isn't going to be of much help to what it seems like the targetted audience is.
I'd like to hear more about how you envision how this spin is going to be used.
Targetting f23 might be ambitious if the idea is what I think it is.
Greetings Matthew --
That's a negative. No package defaults will be changed from their defaults. The overall intention is the organization of the software and, perhaps, how they are presented to the user. I am interested in organizing by users' psychological needs rather than the typical applications categories. I focused on security first since physiological needs obviously do not exist in a digital space which contradicts Maslow's HoN. For example, security, safety, social, design, etc would be application categories rather than office, system, utilities, for instance, which need ergonomic improvement, in my opinion. Simply, same fedora software with all original defaults, but organized in an alternative and improved application taxonomy for users for promoting online citizenship.
For the scope section's appearance, I was not certain how to address this since trademarking and marketing will play roles in the spin, at least according to the original spin process doc. I've always considered the Sugar on a Stick a wonderful theme especially for kids so perhaps a citizen type theme would be an ideal for Netizen. I have not begun to develop a citizen theme since I have been waiting since January for my spin to be wrangled while also waiting for some type of feedback. I am open to working with marketing for a fitting theme, Matthew, or providing one myself, if need be.
Thanks,
--Corey
PS I would concur that the published spin process is broken, as suggested by another on this list.
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Corey Leong wrote:
The change request page can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin The spin page is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netizen_Spin
I assume that this spin would involve shipping some software in Fedora with defaults significantly other than their defaults overall or in Fedora Workstation. If so, let's talk about that.
Right now, the "scope" section suggests that this will primarily be an _appearance_ thing — or at least, look-and-feel. I'm afraid that this might actually be somewhat deceptive, if that's the case — people might assume that the goal is similar to that of stand-alone distributions aimed at privacy/anonymity, like Tails.
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Hello Corey
I'm having a bit of a problem with the concept. When you say organize packages differently. do you mean that if you went to the Package Manager software would be grouped according to Maslow's hierarchy, rather than the normal Security, Office, etc? If so I would think this is going to be confusing to a lot of people to find what packages they need.
David Green
On 05/20/2015 01:58 PM, Corey Leong wrote:
Greetings Matthew --
That's a negative. No package defaults will be changed from their defaults. The overall intention is the organization of the software and, perhaps, how they are presented to the user. I am interested in organizing by users' psychological needs rather than the typical applications categories. I focused on security first since physiological needs obviously do not exist in a digital space which contradicts Maslow's HoN. For example, security, safety, social, design, etc would be application categories rather than office, system, utilities, for instance, which need ergonomic improvement, in my opinion. Simply, same fedora software with all original defaults, but organized in an alternative and improved application taxonomy for users for promoting online citizenship.
For the scope section's appearance, I was not certain how to address this since trademarking and marketing will play roles in the spin, at least according to the original spin process doc. I've always considered the Sugar on a Stick a wonderful theme especially for kids so perhaps a citizen type theme would be an ideal for Netizen. I have not begun to develop a citizen theme since I have been waiting since January for my spin to be wrangled while also waiting for some type of feedback. I am open to working with marketing for a fitting theme, Matthew, or providing one myself, if need be.
Thanks,
--Corey
PS I would concur that the published spin process is broken, as suggested by another on this list.
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org mailto:mattdm@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Corey Leong wrote: > The change request page can be found here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin > The spin page is located here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netizen_Spin I assume that this spin would involve shipping some software in Fedora with defaults significantly other than their defaults overall or in Fedora Workstation. If so, let's talk about that. Right now, the "scope" section suggests that this will primarily be an _appearance_ thing — or at least, look-and-feel. I'm afraid that this might actually be somewhat deceptive, if that's the case — people might assume that the goal is similar to that of stand-alone distributions aimed at privacy/anonymity, like Tails. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org <mailto:mattdm@fedoraproject.org>> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ spins mailing list spins@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:spins@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/spins-- Corey Leong, M.N.M., M.A.* PO Box 691871 Orlando, FL 32869
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Greetings David --
Thanks for the concern. The organization I am proposing is in two parts: within the kickstart file which should not be an issue, I believe, and two, within the app launcher menu. I expect dnf, yum, and the software management tool to operate as usual for users without any issues.
An alternate way of thinking may take be needed, however, I intend to keep it as simple as possible.
--Corey
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM, David Green crokett@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Corey
I'm having a bit of a problem with the concept. When you say organize packages differently. do you mean that if you went to the Package Manager software would be grouped according to Maslow's hierarchy, rather than the normal Security, Office, etc? If so I would think this is going to be confusing to a lot of people to find what packages they need.
David Green
On 05/20/2015 01:58 PM, Corey Leong wrote:
Greetings Matthew --
That's a negative. No package defaults will be changed from their defaults. The overall intention is the organization of the software and, perhaps, how they are presented to the user. I am interested in organizing by users' psychological needs rather than the typical applications categories. I focused on security first since physiological needs obviously do not exist in a digital space which contradicts Maslow's HoN. For example, security, safety, social, design, etc would be application categories rather than office, system, utilities, for instance, which need ergonomic improvement, in my opinion. Simply, same fedora software with all original defaults, but organized in an alternative and improved application taxonomy for users for promoting online citizenship.
For the scope section's appearance, I was not certain how to address this since trademarking and marketing will play roles in the spin, at least according to the original spin process doc. I've always considered the Sugar on a Stick a wonderful theme especially for kids so perhaps a citizen type theme would be an ideal for Netizen. I have not begun to develop a citizen theme since I have been waiting since January for my spin to be wrangled while also waiting for some type of feedback. I am open to working with marketing for a fitting theme, Matthew, or providing one myself, if need be.
Thanks,
--Corey
PS I would concur that the published spin process is broken, as suggested by another on this list.
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Corey Leong wrote:
The change request page can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin The spin page is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netizen_Spin
I assume that this spin would involve shipping some software in Fedora with defaults significantly other than their defaults overall or in Fedora Workstation. If so, let's talk about that.
Right now, the "scope" section suggests that this will primarily be an _appearance_ thing — or at least, look-and-feel. I'm afraid that this might actually be somewhat deceptive, if that's the case — people might assume that the goal is similar to that of stand-alone distributions aimed at privacy/anonymity, like Tails.
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-- Corey Leong, M.N.M., M.A.* PO Box 691871 Orlando, FL 32869
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-- thanks,
David Green
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Hello Corey
I'm having a bit of a problem with the concept. When you say organize packages differently. do you mean that if you went to the Package Manager
On 05/20/2015 01:58 PM, Corey Leong wrote:
Greetings Matthew --
That's a negative. No package defaults will be changed from their
defaults. The overall intention is the organization of the software and, perhaps, how they are presented to the user. I am interested in organizing by users' psychological needs rather than the typical applications categories. I focused on security first since physiological needs obviously do not exist in a digital space which contradicts Maslow's HoN. For example, security, safety, social, design, etc would be application categories rather than office, system, utilities, for instance, which need ergonomic improvement, in my opinion. Simply, same fedora software with all original defaults, but organized in an alternative and improved application taxonomy for users for promoting online citizenship.
For the scope section's appearance, I was not certain how to address this
since trademarking and marketing will play roles in the spin, at least according to the original spin process doc. I've always considered the Sugar on a Stick a wonderful theme especially for kids so perhaps a citizen type theme would be an ideal for Netizen. I have not begun to develop a citizen theme since I have been waiting since January for my spin to be wrangled while also waiting for some type of feedback. I am open to working with marketing for a fitting theme, Matthew, or providing one myself, if need be.
Thanks,
--Corey
PS I would concur that the published spin process is broken, as suggested
by another on this list.
Greetings Matthew --
That's a negative. No package defaults will be changed from their defaults. The overall intention is the organization of the software and, perhaps, how they are presented to the user. I am interested in organizing by users' psychological needs rather than the typical applications categories. I focused on security first since physiological needs obviously do not exist in a digital space which contradicts Maslow's HoN. For example, security, safety, social, design, etc would be application categories rather than office, system, utilities, for instance, which need ergonomic improvement, in my opinion. Simply, same fedora software with all original defaults, but organized in an alternative and improved application taxonomy for users for promoting online citizenship.
For the scope section's appearance, I was not certain how to address this since trademarking and marketing will play roles in the spin, at least according to the original spin process doc. I've always considered the Sugar on a Stick a wonderful theme especially for kids so perhaps a citizen type theme would be an ideal for Netizen. I have not begun to develop a citizen theme since I have been waiting since January for my spin to be wrangled while also waiting for some type of feedback. I am open to working with marketing for a fitting theme, Matthew, or providing one myself, if need be.
Thanks,
--Corey
PS I would concur that the published spin process is broken, as suggested by another on this list.
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Corey Leong wrote:
The change request page can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin The spin page is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netizen_Spin
I assume that this spin would involve shipping some software in Fedora with defaults significantly other than their defaults overall or in Fedora Workstation. If so, let's talk about that.
Right now, the "scope" section suggests that this will primarily be an _appearance_ thing — or at least, look-and-feel. I'm afraid that this might actually be somewhat deceptive, if that's the case — people might assume that the goal is similar to that of stand-alone distributions aimed at privacy/anonymity, like Tails.
-- Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ spins mailing list spins@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/spins
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