Am 27.10.2021 um 01:49 schrieb David Kaufmann
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 10:45:55PM +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
> […] e.g. "for experienced Fedorians" and "new to Fedora?"
In that case I've probably never been "new to Fedora" - at the point I
first landed on that page was probably when searching for something like
"fedora download" and I've been in the
What I want to say with this: If someone reaches the fedora page they
either already know what they want or they probably won't have much use
for install images anyway.
I think your description is accurate. Therefore, the central landing page should address
different addressees, maybe experienced users, "part-time“ administrator,. and
interested/new users. For the former type a "big fat download" button. For the
latter, something like "new to Fedora" with a link to an informational/guidance
page. And for all other information about ongoing activities, e.g. release party that is
currently nowhere to be found, upcoming changes to next release, (i.e. a short info with a
link / box with the latest 3 items and a link to detail page), etc.
A quick search for howtos returns:
1. a step-by-step manual on livewire.com
without any easily findable instructions,
with the install guide on rawhide
The first howto is quite nice, but the "Installation Guide" on
starts with a big legal blob and nothing else.
If users find the "Installing Fedora" in the menu only the arrow can be
clicked, not the text itself (this probably can be improved easily)
I'd say that the "Installation Guide" should directly show the content
of "Preparing for Installation" and hide the rest in something like
"Preparing for Installation" has all necessary information to get to a
bootable USB-Drive and from that point on the user is in Anaconda
anyway, and most steps in there are quite well explained or don't need
I'm making a note of these ideas for Docs. I want to opt to work on Docs next (or
probably Docs is a project of its own).
Am 27.10.2021 um 05:11 schrieb Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>:
... unless we can get _every colleage in the world_ to recommend Fedora
Server and do these first steps, we need some kind of stand-in where those
other colleages are for some inexplicable reason failing. :) How can we do
this, without getting in the way of the above?
That’s the challenge, indeed. :-)
> Am 27.10.2021 um 07:19 schrieb Peter Smith
> Hi guys,
> @pboy: I can see the desire to have the contact information, how to get involved, and
the user story but I wonder whether this isn't information that's already
available elsewhere and makes more sense where it is.
Indeed, yes, but the problem, IMHO, resides in "elsewhere". This is all very
scattered and partly not easy to find (or can be found several times, but contradictory).
> There's already contact information on the server site.
Putting it up in multiple places simply means more places to update, and consequently more
places to *forget* when we update and a bigger chance of outdated and conflicting
We have to keep that in mind. Most advanced CMS have the option to prepare some kind of
info boxes in one location and include them into various pages. So you edit it once and is
automatically published anywhere. I hope, Antorra offers such a feature as well.
> TL;DR of the above: good ides, but haven't we already got
places where this information is? If so, we should consider the benefits of putting them
somewhere new before replicating them, or moving them to a new place.
Yes, we have a lot of that already. But they are unlinked and buried deep in the Fedora
universe. A lot of the work could be putting everything into an easily accessible