On 6 March 2014 15:36, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:


Am 06.03.2014 23:30, schrieb Stephen John Smoogen:
> I didn't say that roles couldn't work, just that he isn't the target audience.
> From what I have read through the years, Harald has a very strict setup which
> he knows very well and works well for what he needs done

but you do not realize the intention why i care at all!

others not having that strict setup and are at learning
how to deal with their os without dangerous defaults they
may not realize soon enough is the intention

what i consider is "how should a linux system work for
me after the first setup with my knowledge 15 years
ago"

My understanding was that the roles commands were items that the system administrator ran to set up a system to do a certain task and was set up to be done for the 60% of the environments which aren't going to play with defaults in any case. So these were my assumptions:

1) The systems administrator is running these commands.
2) The system administrator level being aimed for is more where they have a task to do and just want it to work without knowing all these things. (EG the people who will install cpanel, webadmin, etc without a thought.) We are just wanting that when they set up those commands they get a working secure default. 
3) The goal is to get these systems up without the admin following the usual howto of

disable iptables
disable selinux
install package x
install tar-ball from http://reallygoodsite.com/
run cpanel

because they aren't reading anything deeper than that because the problem they want to solve has nothing to do with the all the packages they are currently installing. All they want is a web calender and it needs all this other stuff before they can get it running.

Since these assumptions seem to be wrong, I will bow out of this conversation.

 

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Stephen J Smoogen.