Am 30.04.2024 um 17:04 schrieb Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com>:



On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, at 8:17 AM, Peter Boy wrote:
Folks, 

We distribute a distribution medium called „Everything“ at 
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/ and various subpages. This provides 
several (mutually exclusive) installation options, in addition to all 
desktop spins and labs also a "Fedora Server Edition". There are 
several problems with this:
. . .
2.
There are always users who download the "Everything" medium instead of 
the various edition-specific media. They rely on the "Fedora Server 
Edition" label and then complain that nothing works as it should and as 
it is described in our documentation. 

OK but does your documentation steer them toward the Server specific net installer? If you have, then you've done all you can. You can't reduce human behaviors to zero - you can only do your best to steer them in the direction you want to go in.

I don’t want to reduce human behaviors to zero, but I don't want to mislead them either. And the Term „Fedora Server Edition“ makes every user legitimately expect to get the same as with the "Fedora Server Edition" installation medium. And that is not the case. And that's why we have to remove this option in this wording.

Every user is welcome to put together their own mix that they want to use for server tasks. But this is neither "Fedora Server Edition" nor "Fedora Server". 


. . .

However, you realize that any provider or downstream can simply use kickstart to configure storage however they want, and then choose to install the Fedora Server Edition environment? 

Yes, they can. But we are misleading them with the name. We are suggesting that they do not need their own Kickstart file to install a "Fedora Server Edition". 


The storage configuration default is not really what makes for Fedora Server Edition - it's just a preselection. A user, provider, downstream picking some other configuration doesn't make it NOT Fedora Server Edition.

You are wrong here. "Picking some other configuration" does not produce a "Fedora Server Edition" but something else, whatever it is. And this refers not only to the storage configuration, but also to all other configuration options that are offered with everything netinstall. 

A Fedora Edition, and thus also "Fedora Server Edition", is a well-designed and tested suite that provides a certain level of quality, reliability and maintenance when the user follows the suite's defaults and provided options. That's what makes a „Fedora Edition". And that's why we put so much effort into our Editions.  And what we are doing here is a throwback to the pre-FedoraNext era.


Why not remove the "Fedora Server Edition" option? Why do you want to keep it?



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Peter Boy
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy
PBoy@fedoraproject.org

Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST (UTC+2)

Fedora Server Edition Working Group member
Fedora Docs team contributor and board member
Java developer and enthusiast