2015-11-18 16:01 GMT+01:00 Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net>:
Am 18.11.2015 um 15:55 schrieb Miloslav Trmac:
Functionality added by default, and especially as mandatory, on top of
minimal install (whatever minimal install is this year), is not just
useful the way a new feature is useful in an appliance; it is also (and
IMO primarily) useful as making the “platform” more valuable because
application writers can depend on the feature being always available,
and users can expect the applications to be more easily deployed.

where do you draw the line? 

if you have 100, 200, 300 server instances size matters and if you open the candle of worms "what *could* be useful" you end in fat default installs to satisfy anybody

No, certainly not add everything somebody thinks could be useful; what I’m saying is that the mandatory APIs define the product from the point of view of application developers; so we definitely need to be careful about what we want the product to be, and what APIs we can long-term support at all; but if we have no always-available APIs, then, for application developers, we have no product.

… OTOH now I have realized that perhaps we do want all the APIs to be in Fedora Base/minimal, and the Server to only add the servers/applications/appliance-like features. So I might have been completely wrong about this.
    Mirek