On 08/11/2016 09:02 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 08/11/2016 11:37 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> I think I did a poor job of explaining this before, but you're suggesting
> exactly what I was intending to say when I wrote "There already exists a
> community of playbook writers that can help us get up to speed (Ansible
> Galaxy)". My vision there was in fact that we would work entirely within the
> upstream Ansible Galaxy, taking advantage of others' work in that space. What we
> would add on top of that is just curation: we would select playbooks that do
> what we want and then maintain them to ensure that they continue to work on
> Fedora Server.
>
> So I completely agree with you on this point, Jóhann. I think that was really
> the mistake we (I) made before with rolekit: we tried to build something new to
> solve the problem and then hoped that we could build a community around it. This
> failed as it should ("not invented here" was a bad plan) and now we're
> re-evaluating how we can work with existing, established communities instead of
> trying to go it our own way.
Administrator are bound to the limit of their ( already existing )
infrastructure so you cannot bind the community to Ansible since then you will
have excluded participation from those administrators that are running puppet or
chief in their infrastructure and I have yet to see what incentive
administrators will have to participate in the server WG as an result of this.
In the CM upstream communities they will just create their playbooks, manifest
and or recipes that will fit their infrastructure and use case perfectly as
opposed to using a predefined one with a boxed solutionin which they *always*
will have to tweak one way or another to be able to implement it in their
infrastructure.
Given that Greg DeKoenigsberg quite familiar with both communities what's is his
take on the Fedora community being forced to take the Red Hat Ansible pill in
Fedora? What benefit does he see coming from this effort ( if any ).
Just to be clear: this isn't an order coming down from Red Hat. Quite the
opposite, actually. Numerous members of the audience at the Flock talk on the
state of the Fedora Server chimed in about it and suggested it. It seemed to
make sense, so we approached Red Hat's Ansible folks about it and they're
willing to work with Fedora to get things working.
I just want to point this out because it really is important to understand the
direction this came from.
( Assuming anyone within Red Hat has discussed this with him since it
would be
stupid not to get his insight on this ).
Greg in particular wasn't on the internal thread that was started, but Robyn
Bergeron, Bill Nottingham and Toshio Kuratomi all are. That's a pretty
Fedora-aware set of people.
(In case you're wondering, that thread has so far just been an introduction to
that set of people with the feedback that came from Flock. So far, the
conversation has been exclusively "That sounds interesting, how can we help?".
I've asked them to move any further communication to this list. There was no
reason to have it be private except that the person who started the discussion
didn't think to loop in the server list and only emailed the participants directly.