OpenSCAP (the interpreter) has been included with RHEL for awhile (since rhel5).

When we first started some 2yrs ago, the EPEL version was used until RHEL versions caught up. 

Today EPEL is needed for SSG content. With RHEL 6.6 all dependencies on EPEL will be dropped.

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On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Greg Elin <gregelin@gitmachines.com> wrote:

Shawn, you said " OpenSCAP comes natively with RHEL".

Does that mean you do not to add EPEL repo to install openSCAP anymore?

Greg



On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Jan Lieskovsky <jlieskov@redhat.com> wrote:
Thank you for your feedback Paul, Greg.

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Elin" <gregelin@gitmachines.com>
> To: "SCAP Security Guide" <scap-security-guide@lists.fedorahosted.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:08:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] [RHEL/6, RHEL/7, Fedora] Drop Requires on    openscap-utils. Add a note into manual pages
> regarding that.
>
> In general, it's probably more a documentation and marketing issue. More
> could be done to publish examples of SSG being used with other tools.
>
> Most people are going to be installing SSG via YUM. If the documentation
> indicates installing both, that is probably fine.
>
> I agree with Paul that it is nice to install both and oscap is needed to test
> SSG content.

Wondering if two votes for leaving scap-security-guide RPM dependency on openscap-utils
can be considered as "sufficiently demonstrating community opinion". It's better than
nothing (we know there are people preferring we to keep the current situation), but wondering
if there are (also) people which would want the opposite? (would be good to know,
so this topic could be closed and we could move to other issues)

So anyone with desire in order to scap-security-guide removed Requires dependency
on openscap-utils? If so, could you also provide also clarification / reasoning
behind this motivation? (except the already mentioned one that having Requires on
openscap-utils might induce impression SSG content can be used with OpenSCAP tools
only)

Thank you && Regards, Jan.
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>
> With my newbie hat on, it's taken me some time to understand the difference
> between OpenSCAP and SSG. I've been wondering why. After all, I've
> understood the difference between a browser and html page; between Excel and
> a Excel file.
>
> I come back to the marketing piece.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Paul Tittle (Contractor) <
> ptittle@cmf.nrl.navy.mil > wrote:
>
>
>
> On 5/27/14 2:43 PM, Shawn Wells wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On 5/26/14, 10:56 AM, Jan Lieskovsky wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> 0002-RHEL-6-RHEL-7-Fedora-Drop-Requires-on-openscap-utils.patch
>
>
> From 3c42c661b4f12d57fda35c3506bde1140a09a02f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Jan Lieskovsky <jlieskov@redhat.com>
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 16:26:08 +0200
> Subject: [PATCH 2/2] [RHEL/6, RHEL/7, Fedora] Drop Requires on
> openscap-utils.
> Add a note into manual pages regarding that.
>
> Signed-off-by: Jan Lieskovsky <jlieskov@redhat.com>
> ---
> Fedora/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8 | 7 +++++++
> Fedora/scap-security-guide.spec | 2 +-
> RHEL/6/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8 | 7 +++++++
> RHEL/7/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8 | 7 +++++++
> scap-security-guide.spec | 2 +-
> 5 files changed, 23 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/Fedora/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> b/Fedora/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> index 7758f37..50235d9 100644
> --- a/Fedora/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> +++ b/Fedora/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> @@ -33,6 +33,13 @@ scanning of general-purpose Fedora systems.
> .SH EXAMPLES
> +
> +.B "NOTE: "
> +Example below assumes the openscap-utils package is installed on the system.
> +If that's not the case to install the openscap-utils package run the
> +.I yum install openscap-utils
> +command as the root user.
> +
> To scan your system utilizing the OpenSCAP utility against the
> common profile, run:
> diff --git a/Fedora/scap-security-guide.spec
> b/Fedora/scap-security-guide.spec
> index c5a8911..adf92a5 100644
> --- a/Fedora/scap-security-guide.spec
> +++ b/Fedora/scap-security-guide.spec
> @@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ Source0: http://fedorapeople.org/~jlieskov/%
> {name}-%{version}.tar.gz
> Source1: http://repos.ssgproject.org/sources/%
> {name}-%{rhelssgversion}.tar.gz
> BuildArch: noarch
> BuildRequires: libxslt, expat, python, openscap-utils >= 0.9.1, python-lxml
> -Requires: xml-common, openscap-utils >= 0.9.1
> +Requires: xml-common
> Obsoletes: openscap-content < 0:0.9.13
> Provides: openscap-content
> diff --git a/RHEL/6/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> b/RHEL/6/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> index 44ae1ab..e676d35 100644
> --- a/RHEL/6/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> +++ b/RHEL/6/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> @@ -68,6 +68,13 @@ webpage athttp:// usgcb.nist.gov/usgcb_content.html .
> .SH EXAMPLES
> +
> +.B "NOTE: "
> +Example below assumes the openscap-utils package is installed on the system.
> +If that's not the case to install the openscap-utils package run the
> +.I yum install openscap-utils
> +command as the root user.
> +
> To scan your system utilizing the OpenSCAP utility against the
> stig-rhel6-server-upstream profile:
> diff --git a/RHEL/7/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> b/RHEL/7/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> index 97c4aec..7625fdd 100644
> --- a/RHEL/7/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> +++ b/RHEL/7/input/auxiliary/scap-security-guide.8
> @@ -58,6 +58,13 @@ webpage athttp:// usgcb.nist.gov/usgcb_content.html .
> .SH EXAMPLES
> +
> +.B "NOTE: "
> +Example below assumes the openscap-utils package is installed on the system.
> +If that's not the case to install the openscap-utils package run the
> +.I yum install openscap-utils
> +command as the root user.
> +
> To scan your system utilizing the OpenSCAP utility against the
> stig-rhel6-server profile:
> diff --git a/scap-security-guide.spec b/scap-security-guide.spec
> index fad1c6f..c23be44 100644
> --- a/scap-security-guide.spec
> +++ b/scap-security-guide.spec
> @@ -15,7 +15,7 @@ Source0: http://repos.ssgproject.org/sources/%
> {name}-%{version}.tar.gz
> BuildArch: noarch
> BuildRequires: libxslt, expat, python, openscap-utils >= 0.9.1, python-lxml
> -Requires: xml-common, openscap-utils >= 0.9.1
> +Requires: xml-common
> %description
> The scap-security-guide project provides a guide for configuration of the
> -- 1.8.3.1
>
>
>
> I'd like to open this up to the community..... Is it beneficial for OpenSCAP
> to simultaneously installed with SSG?
>
> On one side the inclusion means you get tools+content with one command, which
> is particularly useful for those new to SCAP. On the other hand it's been
> mentioned that this drives users to believing SSG only works with OpenSCAP.
> There's no intention of "forcing" OpenSCAP on people.
>
> So, to the user community, is auto inclusion of OpenSCAP annoying or useful?
>
>
>
> I think it's useful to require OpenSCAP to be installed simultaneously. It's
> used to test SSG content, for one.
>
> There have been some patches recently which were made in response to the
> latest build of OpenSCAP, such as the world_writeable_files patch.
> recurse_file_system="local" does something different in the latest OpenSCAP
> build, which potentially breaks the test for some environments (it broke for
> mine). This tells me that SSG's tests are somewhat reliant on the SCAP tools
> that are used with the content.
>
> If all SCAP tools behaved the same way for all input, I would say that
> OpenSCAP shouldn't be a requirement for SSG. But they probably don't, so my
> vote is for requiring OpenSCAP.
>
>
>
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