We have been allowed to use CENTOS on a variety of DoD systems. We do not connect to the GIG however. These are systems which do not connect or connect to very controlled networks. RHEL is just costing our program too much money so we switched to CENTOS.

V/R

Derek Warner – CISSP-ISSEP

Information System Security Engineer

Riptide Software

w- 321-296-0068 x 136

c-  407-716-9223

derek.warner@riptidesoftware.com

derek.a.warner@us.army.mil



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   1. Re: Scap for Centos (Shawn Wells)
   2. Re: Scap for Centos (Andrew Gilmore)
   3. Interesting RH specific discussion on OpenSCAP (Andrew Gilmore)
   4. Re: Scap for Centos (Colvin, Ron (GSFC-700.0)[VALADOR INC])
   5. Re: Scap for Centos (Shawn Wells)
   6. Re: Scap for Centos (Mike Johnson)
   7. Re: Scap for Centos (Andrew Gilmore)


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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 17:13:07 -0400
From: Shawn Wells <shawn@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: Scap for Centos
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On 5/22/14, 5:06 PM, Shawn Wells wrote:
>
> On 5/22/14, 3:43 PM, Derek Warner wrote:
>> Any chance anyone is working on getting SCAP to work on CENTOS? I
>> would love to use the scap security guide and secstate to validate
>> CENTOS 6.5. Right now its a manual process going line by line in the
>> RHEL 5 STIG. I would really love to find out if anyone has anything
>> automated that works on CENTOS.
>
> Given that CentOS isn't allowed on DoD networks, there is no STIG, no
> common criteria, no support, and doesn't meet any of the mandatory
> regulatory requirements, what's driving the need?

(p.s. Yes, that was worded a little silly, but I'm serious (and not just
because I'm @redhat.com))

And actually, this does bring up a good question: have many people been
briefed on the Fedora/CentOS/RHEL roadmap and divergence? It's an area
that RHT is extremely passionate to inform customers and partners on. If
there's interest, I might be able to setup a community call and bring in
the CentOS/RHEL leaders to chat about future plans.


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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:35:14 -0600
From: Andrew Gilmore <agilmore2@gmail.com>
To: SCAP Security Guide <scap-security-guide@lists.fedorahosted.org>
Subject: Re: Scap for Centos
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SSG is not just for DoD, I sure hope!

I'm sure there are many CentOS deployments in .gov, I believe there are
several just in my agency alone. Do we really want to not support them, or
force them into manual edits to get scans to work?

I've seen nothing announced on CentOS roadmap. More information would be
good.




On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Shawn Wells <shawn@redhat.com> wrote:

>
> On 5/22/14, 5:06 PM, Shawn Wells wrote:
>
>>
>> On 5/22/14, 3:43 PM, Derek Warner wrote:
>>
>>> Any chance anyone is working on getting SCAP to work on CENTOS? I would
>>> love to use the scap security guide and secstate to validate CENTOS 6.5.
>>> Right now its a manual process going line by line in the RHEL 5 STIG. I
>>> would really love to find out if anyone has anything automated that works
>>> on CENTOS.
>>>
>>
>> Given that CentOS isn't allowed on DoD networks, there is no STIG, no
>> common criteria, no support, and doesn't meet any of the mandatory
>> regulatory requirements, what's driving the need?
>>
>
> (p.s. Yes, that was worded a little silly, but I'm serious (and not just
> because I'm @redhat.com))
>
> And actually, this does bring up a good question: have many people been
> briefed on the Fedora/CentOS/RHEL roadmap and divergence? It's an area that
> RHT is extremely passionate to inform customers and partners on. If there's
> interest, I might be able to setup a community call and bring in the
> CentOS/RHEL leaders to chat about future plans.
>
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:38:45 -0600
From: Andrew Gilmore <agilmore2@gmail.com>
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Subject: Interesting RH specific discussion on OpenSCAP
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https://access.redhat.com/site/discussions/666153

And yes, CIS shows up almost immediately.
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 22:00:09 +0000
From: "Colvin, Ron (GSFC-700.0)[VALADOR INC]" <ron.colvin@nasa.gov>
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Organizations and Agencies that allow CentOS on their networks?

Mobile

> On May 22, 2014, at 5:06 PM, "Shawn Wells" <shawn@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On 5/22/14, 3:43 PM, Derek Warner wrote:
>> Any chance anyone is working on getting SCAP to work on CENTOS? I would love to use the scap security guide and secstate to validate CENTOS 6.5. Right now its a manual process going line by line in the RHEL 5 STIG. I would really love to find out if anyone has anything automated that works on CENTOS.
>
> Given that CentOS isn't allowed on DoD networks, there is no STIG, no common criteria, no support, and doesn't meet any of the mandatory regulatory requirements, what's driving the need?
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 18:00:43 -0400
From: Shawn Wells <shawn@redhat.com>
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On 5/22/14, 5:35 PM, Andrew Gilmore wrote:
> SSG is not just for DoD, I sure hope!
>
> I'm sure there are many CentOS deployments in .gov, I believe there
> are several just in my agency alone. Do we really want to not support
> them, or force them into manual edits to get scans to work?

Very correct -- there's broad content supporting a wide range of needs;
ranging from commercial (the C2S profile) to classified (e.g. STIG and CS2).

Lacking Common Criteria and FIPS certification, CentOS is not consumable
by the U.S. Government per the National Security Telecommunications and
Information Systems Security Policy (NSTISSP) #11, now known as the
Committee on National Security Systems (CNSS). It's always bugged me
that policies exist ("all software procurements must be common criteria
certified!"), of which Red Hat (my employer) is held to simply because
we're a commercial entity, yet freeware derivatives (e.g. Scientific
Linux) aren't held to the same standards. Anywhoo, I suppose that
conversation is a rabbit hole we need not go down.


> I've seen nothing announced on CentOS roadmap. More information would
> be good.
There's a ton of good information at
https://community.redhat.com/centos-faq/.

In essence CentOS will be diverging from a RHEL derivative to being it's
own, organic community. CentOS variants will spin up and feed *into*
RHEL, instead of being a downstream derivative. I'll poke around
internally to RHT and setup a community call if there are others
interested in the Fedora/CentOS/RHEL roadmap.


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 18:05:22 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <mikerjohnson@gmail.com>
To: scap-security-guide@lists.fedorahosted.org
Subject: Re: Scap for Centos
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The VA has adopted the DISA STIG and CentOS has been approved for
development servers.  I think there are enclave requirements, nevertheless,
it can be used.

Mike


> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 17:06:32 -0400
> From: Shawn Wells <shawn@redhat.com>
> To: SCAP Security Guide <scap-security-guide@lists.fedorahosted.org>
> Subject: Re: Scap for Centos
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>
>
> On 5/22/14, 3:43 PM, Derek Warner wrote:
> > Any chance anyone is working on getting SCAP to work on CENTOS? I
> > would love to use the scap security guide and secstate to validate
> > CENTOS 6.5. Right now its a manual process going line by line in the
> > RHEL 5 STIG. I would really love to find out if anyone has anything
> > automated that works on CENTOS.
>
> Given that CentOS isn't allowed on DoD networks, there is no STIG, no
> common criteria, no support, and doesn't meet any of the mandatory
> regulatory requirements, what's driving the need?
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 16:14:31 -0600
From: Andrew Gilmore <agilmore2@gmail.com>
To: SCAP Security Guide <scap-security-guide@lists.fedorahosted.org>
Subject: Re: Scap for Centos
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I don't get it. Reading this line from the FAQ
"No, CentOS releases will follow shortly after the release of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux source. "
leads me to believe that CentOS will be largely usable as it has been, as a
free, completely compatible version of RHEL. Yes, with challenges in errata
availability, but that's the use case.

Suggesting that CentOS is going to be *upstream* of RHEL suggests several
other valuable, but completely different, uses. I'm not sure this is a
great move, as I see bigger challenges coming from the free and polished
desktop side (*cough* Ubuntu).

RHEL 7 should be very interesting.



On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Mike Johnson <mikerjohnson@gmail.com>wrote:

> The VA has adopted the DISA STIG and CentOS has been approved for
> development servers.  I think there are enclave requirements, nevertheless,
> it can be used.
>
> Mike
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 17:06:32 -0400
>> From: Shawn Wells <shawn@redhat.com>
>> To: SCAP Security Guide <scap-security-guide@lists.fedorahosted.org>
>> Subject: Re: Scap for Centos
>> Message-ID: <537E66D8.9040604@redhat.com>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/14, 3:43 PM, Derek Warner wrote:
>> > Any chance anyone is working on getting SCAP to work on CENTOS? I
>> > would love to use the scap security guide and secstate to validate
>> > CENTOS 6.5. Right now its a manual process going line by line in the
>> > RHEL 5 STIG. I would really love to find out if anyone has anything
>> > automated that works on CENTOS.
>>
>> Given that CentOS isn't allowed on DoD networks, there is no STIG, no
>> common criteria, no support, and doesn't meet any of the mandatory
>> regulatory requirements, what's driving the need?
>>
>>
>>
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