python-devel March 2018

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Python 3.7's Deterministic pycs
by Petr Viktorin 15 Jul '19

15 Jul '19

Hello! The first beta for Python 3.7 is out. It will hopefully get into Fedora soon as python37. After it comes out of beta, we'll upgrade python3 to it. The What's New list is at: https://docs.python.org/3.7/whatsnew/3.7.html One thing that's interesting for packagers is PEP 552: Deterministic pycs: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0552/ Let me summarize in my own words. A new opt-in mode for byte-compilation makes .pyc (bytecode cache) files depend only on the contents of the corresponding source file. If we use this, it will slow down imports, because the whole source file would need to be read and hashed in order to verify if a .pyc file is valid. (Currently, metadata like the modification time and file size is used.) To speed things up, there's an option, UNCHECKED_HASH, which skips cache validation entirely. Using this would mean that if you modify a .py source file installed by RPM, the changes wouldn't take effect (the .py contents would only be shown in tracebacks). Modifying installed files in production is extremely bad practice, of course, but it's quite useful for debugging on throw-away systems. If we adopt UNCHECKED_HASH, anyone doing it will have to remember to remove the corresponding .pyc file. Honestly, I'm not sure we want to use this in Fedora. Is anyone here into reproducible builds, to make a better argument for this? -- Petr Viktorin

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Mass package change (python2- binary package renaming)
by Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

Hello Fedora Python package maintainers! This is an announcement of a mass package renaming: Python 2 binary packages will be renamed to python2-*. This will happen soon after the F27 branching on August 15th. Currently ~1330 source packages already generate a binary package with the python2- prefix, and 835 remain to be updated. The spec files for approximately 740 packages will be renamed, and 95 will be left for fixing by maintainers or proven packagers. At the end of this e-mail are two lists of maintainers and packages: List 1. for those packages which will be taken care of by the mass remaining Patches: https://in.waw.pl/~zbyszek/fedora/pyrename/ Maintainers don't have to do anything. List 2. for the remaining packages Maintainers are encouraged to update packages manually. ### Details of the change ### The change is to ensure that as many as possible python packages which provide a version for python2 have a python2- subpackage as required by the guidelines [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Naming#Python2_binary_package_nami…] For source packages which do *not* have a python- prefix, but already have a python-foo subpackage, that subpackage will be renamed to python2-foo. For packages which are called python-foo and just build a main binary package python-foo, a new python2-foo subpackage will be created. Provides/Requires/Conflicts/Obsoletes/Recommends/Suggests are moved from the main package to the new subpackage. In all cases, the new python2- subpackage will use lower-case naming. This may lead to a situation where an existing python3- subpackage has a differently-cased name than the python2- subpackage. An effort is made (thanks Miro!) to preserve the style which is used in the spec file, so that if e.g. python-%{real_name} was used originally, this is changed to python2-%{real_name}. If this macro cannot be guessed or if it resolves to a non-lowercase name, a non-macro lower-case string will be used. %{python_provide python2-foobar} are added as required by the guidelines [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Python#The_.25python_provide_macro] One or two: %{python_provide python2-foobar} is always added, and if the package has a non-lower-case name, %{python_provide python2-FooBar} is also added. This provides backward compatible names to the package (python-foobar, python-FooBar), as long as %{python_provide} is defined as it is now. Once %python_provide macro is switched to prefer python3 subpackages, those compat names will be gone. In case the source package name does not have a python- prefix, a Provides for the old name is also added, with a comment that it should be removed later. Example: +%package -n python2-atpy +Summary: %summary +Requires: numpy python-astropy +%{?python_provide:%python_provide python2-atpy} +# Remove before F30 +Provides: ATpy = %{version}-%{release} Changes are implemented in an automated way using https://pagure.io/pyrenamer. rpmdev-bumpspec is used to add changelog entries will be added that look like: * Sat Aug 05 2017 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbyszek(a)in.waw.pl> - 3.3-4 - Python 2 binary package renamed to python2-foobar See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FinalizingFedoraSwitchtoPython3 ### Which packages need to change ### http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/namingpolicy/ "Misnamed subpackage" lists 877 subpackages. The real number is a bit lower, because there are some dead packages and some that have been fixed in the meanwhile on that list. The automated rename currently works for 737 packages, 7 have manual patches, 47 don't need work. The remaining 95 packages will require manual fixes. I do *not* want maintainers to manually fix packages which are covered by the automated changes (list 1 below), since that provides no benefit. Maintainers are of course encouraged to fix packages which are not covered (list 2 below), or to take the automated patch and use it as a basis of their own fix if the automated change is deficient for some reason. Help with the remaining ~95 packages which cannot be done automatically is very much welcome. ### Opting out and independent fixes ### The script skips all packages which already have a python2- subpackage and %python_provide, so all packages which are fixed in the meantime will be skipped. If packages need to be skipped even without that, let me know and I'll add the package to the blacklist. ### Timeline ### 2017-08-08: this e-mail is sent to fedora-announce soon after 2017-08-15 (F27 branching): automatically and manually generated patches are applied, and packages are rebuilt. Depending on the results, I'll fix some and follow up with bugzilla tickets for the remaining packages. ### List 1. 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Re: Intent to orphan Python 2
by Petr Viktorin 24 Mar '18

24 Mar '18

On 03/23/18 17:57, Randy Barlow wrote: > On 03/23/2018 07:23 AM, Petr Viktorin wrote: >> In case no one steps up, we'd like to start dropping Python 2 support >> from dependent packages *now*, starting with ported libraries on whose >> python2 version nothing in Fedora depends. (We keep a list of those at >> [1].) > > I'm +1 to the idea of dropping Python 2 support in general, but I'm not > sure we should really do it gradually (which is what would effectively > happen if some packagers start dropping now and others later, and others > not at all). It seems to me like it'd be cleaner to have a release note > on Fedora 30 that's just "Python 2 support dropped" and do it all at > once. Thoughts? I'm afraid we won't be able to handle the massive breakage in random build scripts, infrastructure, and (especially) areas we don't yet know will break. The likely outcome of such a flag day would be that the change would need to be reverted immediately. (You're welcome to try this locally. The problems start with the buildroot broken in ways I didn't know could exist, and continue from there.) Even if the base distro would end up usable, we wouldn't be able to help all the non-"essential" packages if all problems appear at once. Instead we want to start with the things we *know* can be dropped, and work on getting more things into that state. That should bring a steady stream of problems, which can be tackled one by one.

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Intent to orphan Python 2
by Petr Viktorin 24 Mar '18

24 Mar '18

tl;dr: Unless someone steps up to maintain Python 2 after 2020, we need to start dropping python2 packages now. Python 2.7 will reach end of upstream support on 1st of January, 2020, after almost 10 years (!) of volunteer maintenance. Fedora still has more than 3000 packages depending on python2 – many more than we can support without upstream help. We (rightly) don't have the authority to say "please drop your unneeded python2 subpackages, or let us drop them for you" [0]. The next best thing we *can* say is: "if Fedora is to keep python2 alive, we won't be the ones doing it – at least not at the current magnitude". Here are the details. The current maintainers of python2 would like to "orphan" the python2 package in 2020 (~ Fedora 30): - Charalampos Stratakis (cstratak) - Tomáš Orsava (torsava) - Miro Hrnočok (churchyard) - Petr Viktorin (pviktori) - Iryna Schcherbina (ishcherb) - Michal Cyprian (mcyprian) - Bohuslav Kabrda (bkabrda) - David Malcolm (dmalcolm) - Thomas Spura (tomspur) As with any orphaning, that leaves two options: - someone else agrees now to take over in 2020 (keeping in mind this is a security-critical package and will be abandoned upstream), or - dependent packages drop support for Python 2. Unlike most other orphanings, we have some thousands of dependent packages, so a lot of time and care is required. In case no one steps up, we'd like to start dropping Python 2 support from dependent packages *now*, starting with ported libraries on whose python2 version nothing in Fedora depends. (We keep a list of those at [1].) Of course, we're ready to make various compromises with interested packagers, as long as there's an understanding that we won't just support python2 forever. If you are a maintainer of anything at [1] we ask you kindly to consider removing the python2 subpackages. You can either do it now in Rawhide, or add a conditional for Fedora > 29. (On the current schedule, Fedora 30 will be the first release still supported after 2020-01-01.) If no one steps up to maintain python2 after 2020, we're prepared to package a "legacy" python27 package, similar to what we do for e.g. python33 [2], to: - help developers that still need to test against this version - support exceptionally important non–security critical applications, if their upstreams don't manage to port to Python 3 in time [0] https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/753 [1] http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/#legacy-leaf [2] https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python33/

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Intent to orphan Python 2
by Petr Viktorin 23 Mar '18

23 Mar '18

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Intent to orphan Python 2
by Petr Viktorin 21 Mar '18

21 Mar '18

Hello, Here is a message I want to post to devel-announce later. Let me know if you see anything wrong (or would like to take over python2 maintainership). --- Intent to orphan Python 2 tl;dr: Unless someone steps up to Python 2 after 2020, we need to start dropping python2 packages now. Python 2.7 will reach end of upstream support on 1st of January, 2020, after almost 10 years (!) of volunteer maintenance. Fedora still has more than 3000 packages depending on python2 – many more than we can support without upstream help. We (rightly) don't have the authority to say "please drop your unneeded python2 subpackages, or let us drop them for you" [0]. The next best thing we *can* say is: "if Fedora is to keep python2 alive, we won't be the ones doing it – at least not at the current magnitude". Here are the details. The current maintainers of python2 would like to "orphan" the python2 package in 2020 (~ Fedora 32/33): - Charalampos Stratakis (cstratak) - Tomáš Orsava (torsava) - Miro Hrnočok (churchyard) - Petr Viktorin (pviktori) - Iryna Schcherbina (ishcherb) - Michal Cyprian (mcyprian) - Bohuslav Kabrda (bkabrda) - David Malcolm (dmalcolm) - Thomas Spura (tomspur) As with any orphaning, that leaves two options: - someone else agrees now to take over in 2020 (keeping in mind this is a security-critical package and will be abandoned upstream), or - dependent packages drop support for Python 2. Unlike most other orphanings, we have some thousands of dependent packages, so a lot of time and care is required. In case no one steps up, we'd like to start dropping Python 2 support from dependent packages *now*, starting with ported libraries on whose python2 version nothing in Fedora depends. (We keep a list of those at [1].) Of course, we're ready to make various compromises with interested packagers, as long as there's an understanding that we won't just support python2 forever. If you are a maintainer of anything at [1] we ask you kindly to consider removing the python2 subpackages. If no one steps up to maintain python2 after 2020, we're prepared to package a "legacy" python27 package, similar to what we do for e.g. python33 [2], to: - help developers that still need to test against this version - support exceptionally important non–security critical applications, if their upstreams don't manage to port to Python 3 in time [0] https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/753 [1] http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/#legacy-leaf [2] https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python33/

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Should python3-foo obsolete python2-foo (when python2-foo is removed)?
by Miro Hrončok 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

Discussion about $subject happening at [1]. [1] https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/754 -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok

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Draft: Macros to tell what Python versions to package for
by Miro Hrončok 02 Mar '18

02 Mar '18

Hello Pythonistas, I've prepared a draft for Python packaging that introduces some new macros that should ease packaging for Fedoras, EPELs and even potential new RHELs, when it comes to python stacks. I don't do much ifs in specfiles and prefer to leverage git branches for this, so I don't know what bothers you most. The proposal with example spec file is at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Churchyard/Packaging:PythonMustMayMacros All you have to do to test it, is add the following block to your spec (that won't be needed once this is actually implemented): %if 0%{?fedora} %global py3_must 1 %global py3_may 1 %global py2_may 1 %endif %if 0%{?rhel} && 0%{?rhel} <= 7 %global py3_may 1 %global py2_may 1 %endif %if 0%{?rhel} > 7 ... (use your best judgment here) %endif Could you please provide feedback? Ask questions? There is a note at the bottom of the draft about how you could possibly start dropping Python 2 subpackages from Fedora. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok

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Re: Draft: Macros to tell what Python versions to package for
by Miro Hrončok 02 Mar '18

02 Mar '18

On 2.3.2018 16:23, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 10:36:36AM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: >> Hello Pythonistas, >> >> I've prepared a draft for Python packaging that introduces some new >> macros that should ease packaging for Fedoras, EPELs and even >> potential new RHELs, when it comes to python stacks. >> >> I don't do much ifs in specfiles and prefer to leverage git branches >> for this, so I don't know what bothers you most. The proposal with >> example spec file is at: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Churchyard/Packaging:PythonMustMayMacros >> >> All you have to do to test it, is add the following block to your >> spec (that won't be needed once this is actually implemented): >> >> %if 0%{?fedora} >> %global py3_must 1 >> %global py3_may 1 >> %global py2_may 1 >> %endif >> >> %if 0%{?rhel} && 0%{?rhel} <= 7 >> %global py3_may 1 >> %global py2_may 1 >> %endif >> >> %if 0%{?rhel} > 7 >> ... (use your best judgment here) >> %endif >> >> Could you please provide feedback? Ask questions? >> >> There is a note at the bottom of the draft about how you could >> possibly start dropping Python 2 subpackages from Fedora. > > Thanks for doing this, it is much needed. > > I'm not really convinced by the *_may macros. If I've gone to the > trouble of getting the subpackage snippets correct for both of python2 > & python3, why wouldn't I just enable them in all possible situations? > I can't see a situation where we've got possible subpackages but we > don't want to build them (except for where python2/3 is not available > in the distro and so they can't be built). You might want to remove python2 subpackage from Fedora because it's not needed by anything. Ultimately, removing leaf python2 subpackages is also our goal. If we only provide a macro that says "it is possible", people will keep using it until judgment day. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok

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Re: Draft: Macros to tell what Python versions to package for
by Miro Hrončok 02 Mar '18

02 Mar '18

On 2.3.2018 11:50, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > On Friday, March 2, 2018 11:32:40 AM CET Miro Hrončok wrote: >> On 2.3.2018 11:25, Pavel Raiskup wrote: >>> On Friday, March 2, 2018 10:36:36 AM CET Miro Hrončok wrote: >>>> I've prepared a draft for Python packaging that introduces some new >>>> macros that should ease packaging for Fedoras, EPELs and even potential >>>> new RHELs, when it comes to python stacks. >>>> >>>> I don't do much ifs in specfiles and prefer to leverage git branches for >>>> this, so I don't know what bothers you most. The proposal with example >>>> spec file is at: >>>> >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Churchyard/Packaging:PythonMustMayMacros >>>> [..snip..] >>>> Could you please provide feedback? Ask questions? >>> >>> What's the real usecase for *_must? >> >> This tells you that according to the guidelines for given distro, if >> upstream supports this python version, you MUST package for it. >> Some packages might want to only package their Python library for the >> stacks where it's required. > > FWIW, I don't think macros should be used to _enforce_ guidelines (should be > rather convenient things which everyone loves to use). But no problem, as > long as I don't have to use that. Just saying that it might be a bit > confusing when reading the (draft) wiki... They don't enforce anything. They just make it possible to get the value defined by the guideline in a technical manner and do with the value whatever you please. It's still up to the packager to decide what to do when py3_must is 1 or when it's not. If the wiki is confusing, I can try to reword the description. However I'm afraid everybody will just jump to the table anyway. > >>> Why the py2_must is not defined for >>> epel7 and epel6? >> >> Because there is no such guideline. It is completely OK to package for >> python3 only on EPELs. >> >>> I always only needed to see whether (a) python2 runtime is available, (b) >>> python3 is available. So more readable and understandable approach (to >>> me) would be to have only the %pyX_may (or %py3_available). But I'm >>> probably not experienced enough, so I'm only curious :-). >> >> For that, yes. here may == available. We can discuss the naming if it >> sounds weird. >> >> >>> E.g. last time (argparse-manpage) I went with: >>> >>> %if 0%{?fedora} >>> %bcond_without python2 >>> %bcond_without python3 >>> %else >>> %if 0%{?rhel} > 7 >>> %bcond_with python2 >>> %bcond_without python3 >>> %else >>> %bcond_without python2 >>> %bcond_with python3 >>> %endif >>> %endif >>> >>> Which allows me to do things like: >>> >>> %if %{with python2} >>> .... >>> %endif >>> >>> Or: >>> >>> BuildRequires: %{?with_python3:foo} %{?with_python2:bar} >>> >>> .. and which brings the convenient --with{,out}-python{2,3} options for >>> custom re-builds. Could we have something similar in the draft, too? >> >> We can definitively make those with statemetns, however we cannot make >> it with_python2 and with_python3, because we might destroy current >> specfiles with that. So we would need to have: >> >> %if %{with python2_must} >> .... >> %endif >> >> Or: >> >> BuildRequires: %{?with_python3_may:foo} %{?with_python2_must:bar} >> >> And specifying those on the command line would be rather unreadable. >> What does --with-python2-may even mean? > > --with-py3 or --with-py3-available doesn't soudd that bad, but .. > > I wouldn't worry about existing spec files.. and I would stick with > --with-python2 (and friends). Existing spec files should not depend > on the distro-default value, since no distro so far defined that; which > means that whatever value is defined in spec file will _just_ override > the new system default. For the few remaining packages (are there any?), > well, there go proven packagers...? I hear you. I like the idea Petr just sent to python-devel, so lets continue from there. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok

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