On 28. jan 2006, at 19.24, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
Brian Durant writes:
- The fans on the G5 are revving excessively. I assume this is a
problem with the "windfarm" module?
Have you done a "yum update" to get the latest software and rebooted with the newly installed kernel? For me the original FC4 did not support my PowerMac7,3 but the updated one did. However, I don't think this will work in your case, but updating to an updates-testing kernel might, if I recall my earlier email, the 2.6.15 kernel available there had the PowerMac9,1 code. once you update everything else, you can try a "yum --enable-depot=updates-testing kernel*" or something like that to get the newer kernel. Be careful not to install a ppc (versus ppc64) kernel or you won't be able to boot.
Sorry, I keep changing things around, but I am really getting frustrated about not being able to get anything to work with any of the distros. They all are acting worse than beta ware on my machine. In my opinion, none of them should have been released before the issues were sorted out. It doesn't make a good impression for total newbies. Fortunately, I have had some experience with Linux, so I know sometimes you need patience, but I still try to follow the ath of least resistance and deal with the distro that is least bad :-) Since my posting,I have gone back to YDL 4.0.1 as it seems to work best on my machine of all of the distros I have tried. Even though I have a thing for .deb based distros, I am basically a pragmatist at heart and since YDL works best for me, that is where I will concentrate my effort on getting things sorted out. Maybe I can be convinced to love an .rpm based system as well. Who knows? Time will tell. Hopefully since it has Fedora Core as its base, this won't be considered off topic for the list. Except for installing Danish language support, my YDL install is a default desktop install. Here are some pretty fundamental issues that I can't seem to get around:
1) I can start a root session, but YDL doesn't recognize the root password when I try to do a command like:
$ su tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
$ sudo tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
$ root tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
(This is when I am in a normal user session)
2) "yum check-update" returns something about some file missing in / var/....
- At the log in, the cursor blinks in the "username" field, but
neither my Apple wireless keyboard nor my Apple USB keyboard seem to work. The mouse (Apple Mighty Mouse) seems to freeze also. I end up having to do a hard shutdown by pressing the poser button.
I have only used the regular wired mouse and keyboards. In addition to the ones that Apple shipped with the machine, on one machine we have a Microsoft wired optical mouse and that works fine. We general use the USB connector on the back of the monitor but we have also used the front and back USB connectors without problem.
- Yaboot can't boot into OS X.
There has been a new yaboot since the initial release as well, though I have no idea if its related to this problem you are having. I've never created a dual boot configuration so I'm not helpful there. Also, make sure you run /sbin/ybwin whenever you change your /etc/yaboot.conf so that it will take effect. Are there settings in yaboot.conf for dual boot support?
$ yum provides /sbin/ybin Searching Packages: Setting up repositories Reading repository metadata in from local files yaboot.ppc 1.3.12-9base Matched from: /sbin/ybin
yaboot.ppc 1.3.12-10updates-released Matched from: /sbin/ybin
yaboot.ppc 1.3.12-10installed Matched from: /sbin/ybin $
Finally, YDL 4.1 is supposed to be out relatively soon...:)
Yes, I have been thinking about that as well, but to tell you the truth, I would like to get a boxed version shipped. I would like to have a manual in my hand to refer to when I am puzzling over a solution. I like to relax in a sofa and study the matter before I go back to my desk :-) I'll have to see if Terrasoft can handle a shipment to Denmark. They have a partner in Germany, but as I don't read German...
For now, I am going to concentrate on getting 4.0.1 to work and then see where I go from there :-)
Cheers,
Brian
Brian Durant writes:
Even though I have a thing for .deb based distros, I am basically a pragmatist at heart and since YDL works best for me, that is where I will concentrate my effort on getting things sorted out.
For me, if the fans work right on my PowerMacs, that is all I care about at this point. How far my standards have fallen... :)
- I can start a root session, but YDL doesn't recognize the root
password when I try to do a command like:
$ su tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
$ sudo tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
$ root tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
These work for me: su root -c "tail -f /var/log/messages" sudo tail -f /var/log/messages Note that sudo wants your password, not the root password. I don't have a root command on FC4.
Finally, YDL 4.1 is supposed to be out relatively soon...:)
Yes, I have been thinking about that as well, but to tell you the truth, I would like to get a boxed version shipped.
more importantly, you have someone to call presumably when your fans don't work :)
-bri
On 28. jan 2006, at 21.52, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
Brian Durant writes:
Even though I have a thing for .deb based distros, I am basically a pragmatist at heart and since YDL works best for me, that is where I will concentrate my effort on getting things sorted out.
For me, if the fans work right on my PowerMacs, that is all I care about at this point. How far my standards have fallen... :)
- I can start a root session, but YDL doesn't recognize the root
password when I try to do a command like:
$ su tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
$ sudo tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
$ root tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
These work for me: su root -c "tail -f /var/log/messages"
This one put into some other sort of mode in the terminal with a ">". When I typed tail -f /var/log/messages (return), it just jumped to a new line. I tried "exit" and that just returned a new line as well.
sudo tail -f /var/log/messages
This one accepted my user password, but the response stated that I wasn't in the sudo folder and that I would be reported (?!?)
Note that sudo wants your password, not the root password. I don't have a root command on FC4.
1) So first, I need to get sudo working. 2) "yum check-update" returns something about some file missing in / var/.... 3) I need to do a total system update with yum. Is there one command I can use??? 4) kudzo prompting me at boot to remove and add drivers that appear to be the same 5) no sound 6) windfarm module problems
Any ideas, suggestions, advice would be appreciated. Hopefully you or someone else will have some good ideas. I need every bit of help that I can get at this point. I am about to tear my hair out and I can't be positive that 4.1 is going to solve all of this :-( My experience hasn't been very good so far, so best to deal with the problems that I know, try to get it to work and then deal with a possible upgrade to 4.1 when I have a better idea of what I can get sorted out now. Here is what my system looks like:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Power Mac G5 Machine Model: PowerMac9,1 CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (3.0) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 1.8 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed: 600 MHz Boot ROM Version: 5.2.2f2
Finally, YDL 4.1 is supposed to be out relatively soon...:)
Yes, I have been thinking about that as well, but to tell you the truth, I would like to get a boxed version shipped.
more importantly, you have someone to call presumably when your fans don't work :)
Hopefully, in my case I can do it by e-mail. Phoning a company in the States from Denmark is a real pain.
Cheers,
Brian
Brian Durant writes:
This one put into some other sort of mode in the terminal with a ">".
If you accidentally do something to make the shell think you want to continue on the next line of input it will give you this continuation prompt. for example doing a typ like
echo \ echo ` echo ' echo "
sudo tail -f /var/log/messagesThis one accepted my user password, but the response stated that I wasn't in the sudo folder and that I would be reported (?!?)
it probably said you weren't in the right "group", not folder. the "reported" just means it email a breaking report to root on your machine.
you need to configure /etc/sudoers to list who can use sudo, probably with a line like: RoadTripDK ALL=(ALL) ALL if you are the only user. on my machines we have many admins so we have a group but if there is just use this is probably the simplest thing.
- So first, I need to get sudo working.
hope I helped above
- "yum check-update" returns something about some file missing in /
var/....
just a guess, but you really need to be root to run most yum commands. otherwise it often fails with strange errors. one of my least favorite things about yum, although its better in FC4 than YDL I think, just because its a later version.
- I need to do a total system update with yum. Is there one command
I can use???
just "yum update" should update everything.
- kudzo prompting me at boot to remove and add drivers that appear
to be the same
yeah, i think you can tell it to shutup if you pick the right option at boot. I don't see this anymore. it should timeout and contineu booting right?
- no sound
yeah, this is a common problem. With FC4 I finally got some basic sound working. YDL 4.1 says this is better than 4.0.1
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/ Greatly improved sound support
but that doesn't mean it works for your machine. :)
- windfarm module problems
you might just need to install a 2.6.15 kernel yourself... its not that hard or you could get a prebuilt ones from ppckernels.org http://www.ppckernel.org/ note that I've ever tried that myself, but often i get source or config files from there for comparison
-bri
On 28. jan 2006, at 23.28, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
you need to configure /etc/sudoers to list who can use sudo, probably with a line like: RoadTripDK ALL=(ALL) ALL if you are the only user. on my machines we have many admins so we have a group but if there is just use this is probably the simplest thing.
- So first, I need to get sudo working.
hope I helped above
I'll keep my fingers crossed :-) So far, so good.
- "yum check-update" returns something about some file missing in /
var/....
just a guess, but you really need to be root to run most yum commands. otherwise it often fails with strange errors. one of my least favorite things about yum, although its better in FC4 than YDL I think, just because its a later version.
When you say "root", you mean "su root", right??? I still get the message. The problem is that there is no file:
/var/cache/yum/base/header.info should I just create a blank file???
- I need to do a total system update with yum. Is there one command
I can use???
just "yum update" should update everything.
Cheers,
Brian
Brian Durant writes:
When you say "root", you mean "su root", right???
I mean running as uid=0. You can login as root, su to root, use sudo.
I still get the message. The problem is that there is no file:
/var/cache/yum/base/header.info should I just create a blank file???
no, google says that is just a bad cache. two different threads i found say to just remove the whole cache with 'rm -fr /var/cache/yum/base': https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-March/004012.html however, I might use "yum clean cache" first.
-bri
On 29. jan 2006, at 1.10, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
Brian Durant writes:
When you say "root", you mean "su root", right???
I mean running as uid=0. You can login as root, su to root, use sudo.
I still get the message. The problem is that there is no file:
/var/cache/yum/base/header.info should I just create a blank file???
no, google says that is just a bad cache. two different threads i found say to just remove the whole cache with 'rm -fr /var/cache/yum/base': https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-March/004012.html however, I might use "yum clean cache" first.
-bri
OK, no longer a problem with these issues. I had to run 'rm -fr /var/ cache/yum/base'. Many thanks. I am impressed that you could Google this issue up as I often find it hard to actually sum up situations that I end up in with a short, concise search phrase.
New problem after the 'yum update'. Now I have both a CD/DVD-ROM and a CD-ROM icon on the desktop. The device I have came with my G5, so I assume that it is some sort of SuperDrive. Here are the specs:
SONY DVD RW DW-U21A:
Firmware Revision: AADB Interconnect: ATAPI Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipped/Supported) Cache: 2048 KB Reads DVD: Yes CD-Write: -R, -RW DVD-Write: -R, -RW, +R, +RW Burn Underrun Protection CD: Yes Burn Underrun Protection DVD: Yes Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO
Cheers,
Brian
On 28. jan 2006, at 23.28, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
Brian Durant writes:
This one put into some other sort of mode in the terminal with a ">".
If you accidentally do something to make the shell think you want to continue on the next line of input it will give you this continuation prompt. for example doing a typ like
echo \ echo ` echo ' echo "sudo tail -f /var/log/messagesThis one accepted my user password, but the response stated that I wasn't in the sudo folder and that I would be reported (?!?)
it probably said you weren't in the right "group", not folder. the "reported" just means it email a breaking report to root on your machine.
you need to configure /etc/sudoers to list who can use sudo, probably with a line like: RoadTripDK ALL=(ALL) ALL if you are the only user. on my machines we have many admins so we have a group but if there is just use this is probably the simplest thing.
I believe that everything above this point has been solved now. Many thanks.
- So first, I need to get sudo working.
hope I helped above
I ran 'system-config-sound' after having run 'yum check-update', 'yum list updates' and 'yum update' + a reboot. I got an error message. Sorry I can't be more specific. I have a problem with getting my FAT32 formatted USB key to mount. I have been using that to transfer text files from my Linux boots to my OS X boot, where I do all of my e-mail writing as I can't stay booted into YDL for too long with the fan revving problem. I get a usb (driver???) error message right at the start of the boot process.
- "yum check-update" returns something about some file missing in /
var/....
just a guess, but you really need to be root to run most yum commands. otherwise it often fails with strange errors. one of my least favorite things about yum, although its better in FC4 than YDL I think, just because its a later version.
- I need to do a total system update with yum. Is there one command
I can use???
just "yum update" should update everything.
Yes, no worries as stated above.
- kudzo prompting me at boot to remove and add drivers that appear
to be the same
yeah, i think you can tell it to shutup if you pick the right option at boot. I don't see this anymore. it should timeout and contineu booting right?
I still see this after having updated to the latest of everything. Yes, it times out and continues booting. Mainly an irritation, but this could be the source to some of my problems as well.
- no sound
yeah, this is a common problem. With FC4 I finally got some basic sound working. YDL 4.1 says this is better than 4.0.1
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/ Greatly improved sound support
but that doesn't mean it works for your machine. :)
Very true.
- windfarm module problems
you might just need to install a 2.6.15 kernel yourself... its not that hard or you could get a prebuilt ones from ppckernels.org http://www.ppckernel.org/ note that I've ever tried that myself, but often i get source or config files from there for comparison
Never done this. I am willing to give it a try, but I would need very specific instructions. It seems like it could be a scary operation to do something like this. On the other hand, I understand that it may solve at least some of my problems. I have tried 'yum install kernel- g5', so I know that I am running the latest YDL kernel at this time. How would I make sure that everything that is implemented in the YDL kernel, also would work in the new kernel and which one do I choose? Newbie alert!!!
Oh, BTW I was wondering if I would have any problems with doing the following:
1) Install all of GNOME. I have read that there can sometimes be problems with libraries? Would this be 'yum install gnome*'?
2) Install Firefox and Thunderbird. There sometimes seem to be problems with plug-ins and the like after these are installed.
3) InstallApt4RPM. This FAQ seems to have disapeared from the Terrasoft Solutions site and there isn't anything at Fresh RPMS either.
Cheers,
Brian
Brian Durant writes:
I have tried 'yum install kernel- g5', so I know that I am running the latest YDL kernel at this time.
The latest 4.0.1 kernel, you can't get the later ones without a YDL.net enhanced subscription. I'm thinking of getting the university to get one so I can post the source RPMs or at least relevant patches on the net for others to see.
How would I make sure that everything that is implemented in the YDL kernel, also would work in the new kernel and which one do I choose? Newbie alert!!!
do a "uname -r" to see the kernel version.
looking here: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/yellowdog/updates/yellowdog-4.0/ppc/ looks like the latest version is kernel-2.6.10-1.ydl.1 for comparison in FC4 the current version is 2.6.14. to get the patch I needed, I have to go to 2.6.15!
- Install all of GNOME. I have read that there can sometimes be
problems with libraries? Would this be 'yum install gnome*'?
there might be multiple versions. I would do a "yum list available gnome*" and install the higher level packages that you want. I have gnone and kde on FC4 without issue.
- Install Firefox and Thunderbird. There sometimes seem to be
problems with plug-ins and the like after these are installed.
I use firefox on my box occasionally, but yes plugins can be a problem becuase of the availability of linux/ppc support in some cases.
I will say that a co-worker has tried repeatedly to use the Thunderbird FC4 packge without luck (it would crash at startup) and had to build his own.
- InstallApt4RPM. This FAQ seems to have disapeared from the
Terrasoft Solutions site and there isn't anything at Fresh RPMS either.
no idea why you would want to do that. is it to use debian apt packages?
-bri
Brian Durant wrote:
- So first, I need to get sudo working.
why cant you just 'su -l' and move upto root ?
- "yum check-update" returns something about some file missing in
/var/....
yum list updates, thats what you want. There is no such command check-updates anymore.
- I need to do a total system update with yum. Is there one command I
can use???
yum update
- kudzo prompting me at boot to remove and add drivers that appear to
be the same
you can rerun kudzu with various options once the machine is running, look at the man page for more info
- no sound
once your machine is updated, run system-config-sound, that will find and activate your sound card fine.
- windfarm module problems
I have no idea wtf the the windfarm is :)
Any ideas, suggestions, advice would be appreciated. Hopefully you or someone else will have some good ideas. I need every bit of help that I can get at this point. I am about to tear my hair out and I can't be positive that 4.1 is going to solve all of this :-( My experience hasn't
4.1 of what ? there is no FC4.1 - its going to be FC5 now.
been very good so far, so best to deal with the problems that I know, try to get it to work and then deal with a possible upgrade to 4.1 when I have a better idea of what I can get sorted out now. Here is what my system looks like:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Power Mac G5 Machine Model: PowerMac9,1 CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (3.0) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 1.8 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed: 600 MHz Boot ROM Version: 5.2.2f2
At this time I am running FC4/ FC5(rawhide) and a CentOS4 install on my G5, they all run great - baring the few hicups I had a few days back with rawhide.
more importantly, you have someone to call presumably when your fans don't work :)
What problem are you having with the fans ? are they running at full speed ? as root run 'modprobe therm_pm72' does that resolve the situation ?
For some obscure reason, I didnt all the emails from this thread... just some of the odd sniplets.
Karanbir Singh writes:
- "yum check-update" returns something about some file missing in
/var/....
yum list updates, thats what you want. There is no such command check-updates anymore.
On my FC4 system, "yum check-update" lists what "update" would install, and gives an exit code so that scripts can see if updates are available.
Something like "yum self-update" is gone.
- no sound
once your machine is updated, run system-config-sound, that will find and activate your sound card fine.
he is on YDL 4.0.1 I think at this point in the thread and probably won't have sound support compared to FC4.
- windfarm module problems
I have no idea wtf the the windfarm is :)
windfarm* is the newer set of thermal driver that will replace therm_pm72.c someday according to Benjamin Herrenschmidt.
Any ideas, suggestions, advice would be appreciated. Hopefully you or someone else will have some good ideas. I need every bit of help that I can get at this point. I am about to tear my hair out and I can't be positive that 4.1 is going to solve all of this :-( My experience hasn't
4.1 of what ? there is no FC4.1 - its going to be FC5 now.
he means YDL 4.1.
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Power Mac G5 Machine Model: PowerMac9,1 CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (3.0) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 1.8 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed: 600 MHz Boot ROM Version: 5.2.2f2
At this time I am running FC4/ FC5(rawhide) and a CentOS4 install on my G5, they all run great - baring the few hicups I had a few days back with rawhide.
Note he has a PowerMac9,1, which needs the windfarm_pm91.c driver.
I have FC4 on six PowerMacs (one PowerMac7,2 and five PowerMac7,3) and on two of the 2.7GHz PowerMac7,3 machines I've been having overheating problem. There is a known bug in the 2.6.14 therm_pm72.c driver, which is patched in 2.6.15:
commit 6ee7fb7e363aa8828b3920422416707c79f39007 Author: Benjamin Herrenschmidt benh@kernel.crashing.org Date: Mon Dec 19 11:24:53 2005 +1100
[PATCH] powerpc: g5 thermal overtemp bug
The g5 thermal control for liquid cooled machines has a small bug, when the temperatures gets too high, it boosts all fans to the max, but incorrectly sets the liquids pump to the min instead of the max speed, thus causing the overtemp condition not to clear and the machine to shut down after a while. This fixes it to set the pumps to max speed instead. This problem might explain some of the reports of random shutdowns that some g5 users have been reporting in the past.
Many thanks to Marcus Rothe for spending a lot of time trying various patches & sending log logs before I found out that typo. Note that overtemp handling is still not perfect and the machine might still shutdown, that patch should reduce if not eliminate such occcurences in "normal" conditions with high load. I'll implement a better handling with proper slowing down of the CPUs later.
Signed-off-by: Benjamin Herrenschmidt benh@kernel.crashing.org Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds torvalds@osdl.org
However, when I switched to FC4 the updates-testing kernel to get the patch, now my fans run full blast as if no driver is talking to the hardware (as I saw when the PowerMac7,3 first came out and therm_pm72.c did not check for it). Unfortunately the machines are in production so I can't try FC5 at the moment, so for now I live the the noisy fans.
What problem are you having with the fans ? are they running at full speed ? as root run 'modprobe therm_pm72' does that resolve the situation ?
This does not work for me with the recent FC4 updates-testing kernel because the driver is not built as a module which I found odd. I posted on fedora-test-list and got no followups.
For some obscure reason, I didnt all the emails from this thread... just some of the odd sniplets.
Both of us sporadically get the following response. Every post I get this message on has never been posted, so I don't think a moderator is actively looking for review these.
-bri
Your mail to 'Fedora-ppc' with the subject
Newbie with Fedora Core 4 PPC on Power Mac G5.
Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
The reason it is being held:
Message has a suspicious header
Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL:
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On 29. jan 2006, at 2.01, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
windfarm* is the newer set of thermal driver that will replace therm_pm72.c someday according to Benjamin Herrenschmidt.
<snip>
Note he has a PowerMac9,1, which needs the windfarm_pm91.c driver.
I have FC4 on six PowerMacs (one PowerMac7,2 and five PowerMac7,3) and on two of the 2.7GHz PowerMac7,3 machines I've been having overheating problem. There is a known bug in the 2.6.14 therm_pm72.c driver, which is patched in 2.6.15:
commit 6ee7fb7e363aa8828b3920422416707c79f39007 Author: Benjamin Herrenschmidt benh@kernel.crashing.org Date: Mon Dec 19 11:24:53 2005 +1100
[PATCH] powerpc: g5 thermal overtemp bug The g5 thermal control for liquid cooled machines has a smallbug, when the temperatures gets too high, it boosts all fans to the max, but incorrectly sets the liquids pump to the min instead of the max speed, thus causing the overtemp condition not to clear and the machine to shut down after a while. This fixes it to set the pumps to max speed instead. This problem might explain some of the reports of random shutdowns that some g5 users have been reporting in the past.
Many thanks to Marcus Rothe for spending a lot of time tryingvarious patches & sending log logs before I found out that typo. Note that overtemp handling is still not perfect and the machine might still shutdown, that patch should reduce if not eliminate such occcurences in "normal" conditions with high load. I'll implement a better handling with proper slowing down of the CPUs later.
Signed-off-by: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>However, when I switched to FC4 the updates-testing kernel to get the patch, now my fans run full blast as if no driver is talking to the hardware (as I saw when the PowerMac7,3 first came out and therm_pm72.c did not check for it). Unfortunately the machines are in production so I can't try FC5 at the moment, so for now I live the the noisy fans.
What problem are you having with the fans ? are they running at full speed ? as root run 'modprobe therm_pm72' does that resolve the situation ?
This does not work for me with the recent FC4 updates-testing kernel because the driver is not built as a module which I found odd. I posted on fedora-test-list and got no followups.
I just thought that I would mention that I received an e-mail from Benjamin Herrenschmidt that contained the following:
From: benh@kernel.crashing.org
Oh, ok.. you mean the fans going full speed ? That's a matter of thermal control not working on the machine. It's the single CPU G5 names PowerMac9,1 in /proc/device-tree/model right ?
It should indeed work with recent kernels. I got some code in 2.6.15 but there might still have been unresolved issues. Make sure you load the windfarm_pm91 module and let us know... If it doesn't work, try an up to date git snapshot. If still doesn't work, let me know and we'll track the problem down.
This is hopefully of some help. I got this e-mail when I was trying to get Debian to work from the Etch installer. I believe it was Debian testing. Anyway, I don't really understand any of this. Sort of like a Concord going over my head ;-)
Cheers,
Brian
On 29. jan 2006, at 2.01, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
Both of us sporadically get the following response. Every post I get this message on has never been posted, so I don't think a moderator is actively looking for review these.
-bri
Your mail to 'Fedora-ppc' with the subject
Newbie with Fedora Core 4 PPC on Power Mac G5.Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
The reason it is being held:
Message has a suspicious headerEither the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL:
http://<deleted>
I am actually wondering if they have set the list up now so that you need a YDL.net account. Alternatively, if the list doesn't work any better than their YDL.net system... :-)) Anyone on the list that can actually tell us if YDL.net works???
Cheers,
Brian
Brian Durant writes:
I am actually wondering if they have set the list up now so that you need a YDL.net account.
this is the "fedora" ppc list, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the people at Terrasoft Solutions, the makers of YDL.
most of the more "official" fedora people here are also seen on the fedora-*@redhat.com lists, i've never been sure why this list is not fedora-ppc@redhat.com
-bri
On 29. jan 2006, at 18.46, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
Brian Durant writes:
I am actually wondering if they have set the list up now so that you need a YDL.net account.
this is the "fedora" ppc list, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the people at Terrasoft Solutions, the makers of YDL.
most of the more "official" fedora people here are also seen on the fedora-*@redhat.com lists, i've never been sure why this list is not fedora-ppc@redhat.com
If you look at my original posting, it was in reference to your reference about our trials and tribulations with the yellowdog newbie list and why we were posting about YDL on this list. At any rate, I am thankful for the patience that people on this list have shown for our thread.
Cheers,
Brian
Brian Durant writes:
If you look at my original posting, it was in reference to your reference about our trials and tribulations with the yellowdog newbie list and why we were posting about YDL on this list.
I've never posted to yellowdog-newbie, I'm having problems posting to this list, fedora-ppc, with about three or four rejected posts and replies.
-bri
On 29. jan 2006, at 19.32, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
Brian Durant writes:
If you look at my original posting, it was in reference to your reference about our trials and tribulations with the yellowdog newbie list and why we were posting about YDL on this list.
I've never posted to yellowdog-newbie, I'm having problems posting to this list, fedora-ppc, with about three or four rejected posts and replies.
Sorry, just my trials and tribulations then.
Cheers,
Brian
On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 10:32 -0800, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
Brian Durant writes:
If you look at my original posting, it was in reference to your reference about our trials and tribulations with the yellowdog newbie list and why we were posting about YDL on this list.
I've never posted to yellowdog-newbie, I'm having problems posting to this list, fedora-ppc, with about three or four rejected posts and replies.
I was away at linux.conf.au and not paying much attention to list moderation. Your messages are no longer in the moderation queue -- I'm not sure why they were trapped. Did someone else moderate them (Paul)?
Read http://david.woodhou.se/email.html for potential reasons -- some basic netiquette is checked for automatically. Some lists also trap all messages with attachments for moderation.
On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 11:03 +0000, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 10:32 -0800, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
Brian Durant writes:
If you look at my original posting, it was in reference to your reference about our trials and tribulations with the yellowdog newbie list and why we were posting about YDL on this list.
I've never posted to yellowdog-newbie, I'm having problems posting to this list, fedora-ppc, with about three or four rejected posts and replies.
I was away at linux.conf.au and not paying much attention to list moderation. Your messages are no longer in the moderation queue -- I'm not sure why they were trapped. Did someone else moderate them (Paul)?
Yes, I was caught up in travel to, by the time I got to look at it. Most threads had carried and as the messages were broken I decided to drop them.
Read http://david.woodhou.se/email.html for potential reasons -- some basic netiquette is checked for automatically. Some lists also trap all messages with attachments for moderation.
Paul
On 29. jan 2006, at 1.35, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Brian Durant wrote:
- So first, I need to get sudo working.
why cant you just 'su -l' and move upto root ?
Sorry, this probably has something to do with me being a newbie. I don't know what 'su -l' is or what you mean by "moving up to root". You will see from my other posting that I got it to work by clearing the cache: 'rm -fr /var/cache/yum/base':
- "yum check-update" returns something about some file missing
in /var/....
yum list updates, thats what you want. There is no such command check-updates anymore.
Actually, there is. I ran both just to be on the safe die ;-)
- I need to do a total system update with yum. Is there one
command I can use???
yum update
Yup. Worked like a charm. Thanks.
- kudzo prompting me at boot to remove and add drivers that
appear to be the same
you can rerun kudzu with various options once the machine is running, look at the man page for more info
I have done that, but I don't really understand the man page. Newbie alert!!! Actually, I think the kudzu problem could be directly related to a usb (driver???) error message I get right at the start of the boot process.
- no sound
once your machine is updated, run system-config-sound, that will find and activate your sound card fine.
I ran 'system-config-sound' after having run 'yum check-update', 'yum list updates' and 'yum update' + a reboot. I got an error message. Sorry I can't be more specific.
Cheers,
Brian
Brian Durant writes:
On 29. jan 2006, at 1.35, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Brian Durant wrote:
- So first, I need to get sudo working.
why cant you just 'su -l' and move upto root ?
Sorry, this probably has something to do with me being a newbie. I don't know what 'su -l' is or what you mean by "moving up to root".
his point is there is no reason to get sudo working if you do not want to, since you can just use su to run as root. the -l option just gives you a login shell for root (with roots shell configuration, not yours). As far as "moving up to root", he just means moving from your user account to the super user account, that is to a higher privilege level.
I ran 'system-config-sound' after having run 'yum check-update', 'yum list updates' and 'yum update' + a reboot. I got an error message. Sorry I can't be more specific.
like i said, I don't think YDL 4.0.1 supports any sound on the G5 machines although FC4 does and YDL 4.1 is supposed to.
-bri
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