Sorry, I'm probably breaking threading here...my main work laptop went
down, and I managed to fumble a command and lost some mail.
Ralf Corsepius <rc040203 freenet de> writes:
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 16:04 -0400, Robin Norwood wrote:
> Ralf Corsepius <rc040203 freenet de> writes:
> > ... We would have had opportunities to gain clarity, if you had not
> > reverted the split.
> This isn't actually true. The modules are still split out.
You have effectively reverted the split.
> The changes
> were to make the perl-devel require the other split modules, and include
> the split modules in the default install.
Exactly this is the reversion - Forcing "module'ed" BR's and R's to
long term packaging stability was one of the prime objectives.
Now, you're allowing people to continue their sloppy (bad) habits.
Yes, I agree, it wasn't as much progress as we wanted. But it was
sufficiently annoying to some people, that I agreed with the logic that
these changes were too much, too late.
> >> For now, at least, list list is low-traffic enough to
> >> SWAT-type activities...we just need to define how we interact with the
> >> package owners, and get their buy-in/permission/forgiveness.
> > Well, meanwhile, given how the merger changes Fedora's workflow, I am
> > not sure anymore if a "SWAT" team can work. Things which had been
> > before (and to some extend could have been scripted), now seem to become
> > inapplicable ...
> I'm not really sure what you mean here...what specific problems do you
You aren't subscribed to maintainers ? Then you'd better be.
I am, but apparently hadn't followed it as closely as I should have.
> I had planned to, but was convinced that the disruption to users
> developers would be too great. I probably should've brought you into
> the discussion, considering the contributions you'd made. Sorry!
OSS development is based on "give and take" ... You will have to
understand that such lonesome and lately communicated decisions drive
external volunteers away.
And other contributors were equally annoyed that we were making the
change at all.
> That's my gut feeling about it - but some people seem to
think it would
> be worthwhile to split out everything.
There likely are more modules which would make sense to be split out,
but a "split out everything" would be stupid.
I don't see the point, either, but maybe someone will speak up who
What I think the next steps should be
1. Revert your recent changes
For F8, I'd like to do that as early as possible.
2. Reconsider the *-lib split.
Consensus among various fedora-devel people seems to disagree with you.
3. Reflect this split to perl-modules.
n. Check for further split-out candidates.
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