packaging December 2014

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arched BuildRequires?
by Björn Esser 28 Jan '15

28 Jan '15

Hi there! I have a question about this review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889261 Is it ok to havearched BuildRequires? In my opinion they should NOT be arched, because of the reasons given in the comments of the bug. Cheers, Björn

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Interesting blog on simplifying packaging for OS bootstrapping
by Jason L Tibbitts III 10 Jan '15

10 Jan '15

So I stumbled upon this blog post: http://developerblog.redhat.com/2014/12/19/bootstrapping-power8-little-endi… and there are a few things in there which seem like they might be good to incorporate into our packaging guidelines, or perhaps into our tooling (rpm up through mock and koji). Random thoughts follow. Dependency minimization is obviously a big one; we struggle with this. Build-time dependency minimization is far more difficult. Is there any value in standardizing methods (probably using conditionals in the spec) to minimize build-time dependencies? If you have a very core package that needs the whole X stack to build one of its subpackages, maybe conditionalize the build so that you can build without that subpackage and not need X. (autoconf needs emacs? Wow.) I think currently we have only one or two places where we absolutely require lua for scriptlets. bash is the only one I can think of, because it would otherwise need itself to install. Is there value in using it more often, for more core packages? I wonder how many packages have additional build-time dependencies solely for running %check. Would it be reasonable to be able to separate these somehow (BuildRequires(check): foo) and to pass up disabling %check through our tooling? - J<

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Soft dependencies guidelines
by Miroslav Suchý 06 Jan '15

06 Jan '15

Hi, rpm 4.12, which include soft dependencies landed in F21. Are there plan to reflect this in our current Packaging Guidelines? Or we will wait till this feature will be recognized by dnf, PackageKit and others? -- Miroslav Suchy, RHCE, RHCDS Red Hat, Senior Software Engineer, #brno, #devexp, #fedora-buildsys

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Better example for multiple ownership of a directory
by Jason L Tibbitts III 29 Dec '14

29 Dec '14

In: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#The_directory_is_owned_b… the current packaging guidelines include mention of /etc/bash_completion.d as an example of how to get multiple ownership of a directory correct. The problem is that that directory is now part of the filesystem packages (and so shouldn't be multiply owned) and that's not even the correct location for bash completion files these days. I could just remove it, but I'd like to replace it with a more correct example. Problem is, I can't think of one. Anyone have a better directory to use to illustrate this? - J<

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2014-12-18 17:00 - 18:35 UTC)
by James Antill 18 Dec '14

18 Dec '14

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by geppetto at 17:01:41 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-12-18/fpc.2014-12-18… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (geppetto, 17:01:42) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/480 (dwmw2_gone, 17:07:52) * #480 Packaging guidelines for consistent PKCS#11 usage (geppetto, 17:08:07) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/480 (geppetto, 17:08:11) * General concensus that this is desirable (geppetto, 17:24:25) * ACTION: dwmw2 Add examples for common libraries/APIs, on the client applications. (geppetto, 17:24:25) * #478 Proposal: Package Guidelines: DevAssistant Assistant packages (DAP) (geppetto, 17:27:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/478 (geppetto, 17:27:45) * Policy is awesome for a first draft, well done! (geppetto, 17:44:41) * ACTION: Tradej Maybe create a filelist in %install_assistant and use %files -f? (geppetto, 17:45:12) * ACTION: Tradej Need the version requirement on devassistant 0.10 to be in the specfiles. (geppetto, 17:45:34) * ACTION: Tradej No LICENSE files in the specfiles. (geppetto, 17:45:58) * ACTION: Tradej Speak with orionp about the dap-* package name prefix. (geppetto, 17:46:15) * ACTION: Tradej Create an example package for Fedora (geppetto, 17:47:09) * #479 Remove F17 cruft from systemd macros (geppetto, 17:47:44) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/479 (geppetto, 17:47:48) * ACTION: #479 Remove F17 cruft from systemd macros (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 17:52:24) * #483 Temporary bundling exception request for ipsilon: jquery, bootstrap, patternfly (geppetto, 17:52:32) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/483 (geppetto, 17:52:37) * LINK: https://github.com/patternfly/patternfly (Rathann, 17:54:09) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/jQuery (Rathann, 18:02:14) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/413 should be closed, right? (Rathann, 18:07:32) * ACTION: Allow jQuery bundling until F22, due to 408 blanket exception. But need reasons that bootstrap/patternfly can't just be packaged. (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 18:14:37) * #481 static uids systemd-network, systemd-timesync, systemd-resolve (geppetto, 18:14:49) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/481 (geppetto, 18:14:53) * ACTION: Please explain what "host-independent initramfs images" means. Who is running with the feature, what is the timescale, what is it affecting, etc. etc. (geppetto, 18:19:53) * ACTION: If systemd.network is the correct username, please fix it to not have a dot in it. (geppetto, 18:20:56) * Open Floor (geppetto, 18:23:02) Meeting ended at 18:37:03 UTC. Action Items ------------ * dwmw2 Add examples for common libraries/APIs, on the client applications. * Tradej Maybe create a filelist in %install_assistant and use %files -f? * Tradej Need the version requirement on devassistant 0.10 to be in the specfiles. * Tradej No LICENSE files in the specfiles. * Tradej Speak with orionp about the dap-* package name prefix. * Tradej Create an example package for Fedora * #479 Remove F17 cruft from systemd macros (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) * Allow jQuery bundling until F22, due to 408 blanket exception. But need reasons that bootstrap/patternfly can't just be packaged. (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) * Please explain what "host-independent initramfs images" means. Who is running with the feature, what is the timescale, what is it affecting, etc. etc. * If systemd.network is the correct username, please fix it to not have a dot in it. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * orionp * Tradej Speak with orionp about the dap-* package name prefix. * **UNASSIGNED** * dwmw2 Add examples for common libraries/APIs, on the client applications. * Tradej Maybe create a filelist in %install_assistant and use %files -f? * Tradej Need the version requirement on devassistant 0.10 to be in the specfiles. * Tradej No LICENSE files in the specfiles. * Tradej Create an example package for Fedora * #479 Remove F17 cruft from systemd macros (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) * Allow jQuery bundling until F22, due to 408 blanket exception. But need reasons that bootstrap/patternfly can't just be packaged. (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) * Please explain what "host-independent initramfs images" means. Who is running with the feature, what is the timescale, what is it affecting, etc. etc. * If systemd.network is the correct username, please fix it to not have a dot in it. People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * geppetto (136) * tibbs|w (89) * Rathann (53) * dwmw2_gone (38) * orionp (22) * mbooth (11) * zodbot (8) * racor (6) * spot (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-12-18 17:00 UTC), Followup:12 New:8
by James Antill 17 Dec '14

17 Dec '14

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2014-12-18 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2014-12-18 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PST 2014-12-18 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EST 2014-12-18 17:00 Thu UTC <- 2014-12-18 17:00 Thu Europe/London <- 2014-12-18 18:00 Thu Europe/Paris CET 2014-12-18 18:00 Thu Europe/Berlin CET 2014-12-18 22:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta IST ------------------new day---------------------- 2014-12-19 01:00 Fri Asia/Singapore SGT 2014-12-19 01:00 Fri Asia/Hong_Kong HKT 2014-12-19 02:00 Fri Asia/Tokyo JST 2014-12-19 03:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane EST Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/12 = Followups = (needed policy, feature not accepted yet) #topic #466 recommend Privatedevices and PrivateNetwork in systemd guidelines .fpc 466 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/466 (needinfo, just package dep?) #topic #468 Temporary modernizr packing exception for kimchi .fpc 468 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/468 (needs info. don't want all containers to need static ids) #topic #474 Allocating a soft static uid and gid 389 for dirsrv .fpc 474 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/474 (needs policy) #topic #475 Suggested Changes for Python Guidelines for F22 .fpc 475 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/475 = Ye Ancient tickets (zombie followups) = #topic #126 bundling exception for scintilla .fpc 126 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/126 #topic #202 Application for exemption from "No bundling" rule: Gargoyle .fpc 202 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/202 #topic #221 Bundling exception request: numptyphysics and Box2D .fpc 221 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/221 #topic #235 exception for bundling a library into uif2iso package .fpc 235 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/235 #topic #304 asking for bundling exception for the package "rubygem-rdiscount" .fpc 304 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/304 #topic #338 %doc and %_pkgdocdir duplicate files and cause conflicts .fpc 338 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/338 #topic #381 Bundling exception for python-matplotlib fonts .fpc 381 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/381 #topic #412 Please change the packaging guidelines to include packaging policy regarding systemd timer units .fpc 412 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/412 = Ye Ancient tickets (new) = #topic #208 Please add policy regarding socket activated services .fpc 208 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/208 #topic #209 Please define policy regarding instantiated application services .fpc 209 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/209 #topic #443 Requesting Bundling exception for Love (liblove sub package) .fpc 443 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/443 = New business = #topic #478 Proposal: Package Guidelines: DevAssistant Assistant packages (DAP) .fpc 478 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/478 #topic #479 Remove F17 cruft from systemd macros .fpc 479 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/479 #topic #480 Packaging guidelines for consistent PKCS#11 usage .fpc 480 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/480 #topic #481 static uids systemd-network, systemd-timesync, systemd-resolve .fpc 481 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/481 #topic #483 Temporary bundling exception request for ipsilon: jquery, bootstrap, patternfly .fpc 483 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/483 = Open Floor = For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/12 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fpc, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

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Packaging Guidelines Proposal: DevAssistant Assistant packages (DAP)
by Tomas Radej 16 Dec '14

16 Dec '14

Hi, Please note: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/478 . Thank you, Tomas Radej

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Guidelines about %license
by Remi Collet 16 Dec '14

16 Dec '14

Hi I think the Guidelines were approved https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/411#comment:17 But I can't find any information about this in the Wiki. Should probably be in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:LicensingGuidelines "If the source package includes the text of the license(s) in its own file, then that file, containing the text of the license(s) for the package must be included in %doc. " Remi.

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Re: [Fedora-packaging] Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2014-12-11 17:00 - 18:25 UTC)
by Orion Poplawski 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

On 12/12/2014 07:04 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > I'm guessing the FPC hasn't found out about the libgd git-submodule yet... > Apparently not as I don't see any FPC tickets for it nor listed here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries#Packages_grant… gnome-music at least has: # libgd is not meant to be installed as a system-wide shared library. # It is just a way for GNOME applications to share widgets and other common # code on an ad-hoc basis. Provides: bundled(libgd) but there should have been an FPC ticket filed. Unfortunately not picked up in review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=999268 -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane orion(a)nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.nwra.com

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2014-12-11 17:00 - 18:25 UTC)
by James Antill 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by geppetto at 17:01:37 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-12-11/fpc.2014-12-11… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (geppetto, 17:01:37) * #476 Requesting copylib exemption for libgnome-volume-control (geppetto, 17:06:19) * ACTION: General agreement that it should be made at least a static lib. … hopefully a shared lib. eventually. (geppetto, 17:20:11) * Write up tickets (geppetto, 17:22:26) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/14 (geppetto, 17:22:34) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/15 has all of the announce tickets. (tibbs|w, 17:26:37) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/libreOfficeExtentions I mean (orionp, 17:27:23) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/316 is also in the guidelines already, so I change it to announce right? (tomspur, 17:31:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Packaging% 3ADistTag&diff=397407&oldid=174910 and https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Packaging% 3ANamingGuidelines&diff=397408&oldid=379705 are the changes I made. (tibbs|w, 17:34:29) * #475 Suggested Changes for Python Guidelines for F22 (geppetto, 17:39:58) * ACTION: Mostly approving but follow comments from IRC discussion and write a real policy change we can vote on. (geppetto, 18:01:44) * #474 Allocating a soft static uid and gid 389 for dirsrv (geppetto, 18:01:58) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1143066 (tibbs|w, 18:03:06) * ACTION: james Need more data, we esp. don't want to set a precedent that anything that can be in a container needs a soft static uid/gid. (geppetto, 18:09:00) * Open Floor (geppetto, 18:09:22) Meeting ended at 18:26:38 UTC. Action Items ------------ * General agreement that it should be made at least a static lib. … hopefully a shared lib. eventually. * Mostly approving but follow comments from IRC discussion and write a real policy change we can vote on. * james Need more data, we esp. don't want to set a precedent that anything that can be in a container needs a soft static uid/gid. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * General agreement that it should be made at least a static lib. … hopefully a shared lib. eventually. * Mostly approving but follow comments from IRC discussion and write a real policy change we can vote on. * james Need more data, we esp. don't want to set a precedent that anything that can be in a container needs a soft static uid/gid. People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * geppetto (86) * tibbs|w (66) * tomspur (17) * orionp (13) * zbyszek (10) * racor (9) * zodbot (9) * spot (7) * mbooth (3) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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