QA beat done
by Adam Williamson
QA beat is in for FWN 176.
Now, my long weekend is clear! Woohoo!
(Yes, it's a long weekend in Canada. Heh, heh.)
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
15 years
Fedora Weekly News #175
by Oisin Feeley
Fedora Weekly News Issue 175
Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 175[1] for the week ending May 10th,
2009.
In a small sample of this information-packed issue Announcements points
to the "Fedora 11 Bug Blocker Review Day", PlanetFedora explores the
relationship between cooking popcorn and releasing software, Ambassadors
reports that Fedora is a star not only in Trenton,NJ but also in
Jaipur,India. QualityAssurance covers the proposal to drop the
production of Alpha releases by Fedora 12 and the "Fedora Bug Workflow".
Developments quivers with "Presto A-Go-Go!" Translation takes a look at
the "Long Release Notes". Artwork examines "Banners, Posters and
T-shirts". The WebComic crowns Leonidas. SecurityAdvisories is short and
sweet. Virtualization reports on "Experimental Dom0 on Fedora 11".
If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see
our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback:
fedora-news-list(a)redhat.com
FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Oisin Feeley, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue175
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join
Contents
1.1 Announcements
1.1.1 Fedora 11 Bug Blocker Review Day
1.1.2 Fedora Classroom
1.1.3 FUDCons and FADs
1.1.3.1 Fedora Activity Day Malaysia
1.1.3.2 FUDCon Porto Alegre 2009
1.1.3.3 FUDCon Berlin 2009
1.1.4 Upcoming Events
1.2 Planet Fedora
1.2.1 General
1.3 Ambassadors
1.3.1 Fedora Stars in Trenton
1.3.2 Fedora at FOSS-nigma Workshop
1.3.3 Fedora 11 release events
1.4 QualityAssurance
1.4.1 Test Days
1.4.2 Weekly meetings
1.4.3 Fedora Bug Workflow
1.4.4 Bugzappers new member SOP
1.5 Developments
1.5.1 Presto A-Go-Go !
1.5.2 PPC as a Secondary Architecture
1.5.3 Retiring Packages
1.5.4 RawERhide ?
1.5.5 Crypto Consolidation
1.5.6 Intel Moblin Pushing Proprietary Poulsbo ?
1.6 Translation
1.6.1 FLP Meeting Held on 5th May 2009
1.6.2 Colophon
1.6.3 Long Release Notes
1.6.4 Installation Guide screenshot
1.6.5 News and Media Coverage Plan
1.6.6 New Members/Co-ordinators in FLP
1.7 Artwork
1.7.1 Banners, Posters, T-shirts
1.7.2 Wallpaper with or without the Lion
1.8 Fedora Weekly Webcomic
1.9 Security Advisories
1.9.1 Fedora 10 Security Advisories
1.9.2 Fedora 9 Security Advisories
1.10 Virtualization
1.10.1 Fedora Virtualization List
1.10.1.1 Virtualization Test Day
1.10.1.2 Fedora virt status
1.10.1.3 libguestfs on non-Fedora Platforms
1.10.2 Fedora Xen List
1.10.2.1 Experimental Dom0 on Fedora 11
== Announcements ==
In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events
Contributing Writer: Max Spevack
=== Fedora 11 Bug Blocker Review Day ===
Release Engineering is holding a blocker bug review day[1]. The purpose
of the meeting is to review the status of all bugs on the Fedora 11
blocker list, and determine the current prospects for Fedora 11's final
release.
The meeting will take place in #fedora-bugzappers at 1400 UTC on Monday,
May 11.
1.
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=446452&hide_resolved=1
=== Fedora Classroom ===
Fedora Classroom[1] now has its own mailing list[2].
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom
2. http://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom
=== FUDCons and FADs ===
This section previews upcoming Fedora Users & Developers Conferences, as
well as upcoming Fedora Activity Days.
==== Fedora Activity Day Malaysia ====
Planning is underway for a Fedora Activity Day[1] in Malaysia at the end
of May, contingent upon gathering together sufficient Fedora
contributors to make such an event worthwhile. If you are in the area
and are interested in attending or have some ideas on projects that
could be worked on, see the wiki page[2] for more information.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Malaysia_May_2009
==== FUDCon Porto Alegre 2009 ====
FUDCon Porto Alegre[1] will take place June 24-27 in Brazil. About 30
people have signed up so far, and we're hopeful for an attendance of
over 100.
If you would like more information, and to sign up, please visit the
wiki page.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:LATAM_2009
==== FUDCon Berlin 2009 ====
FUDCon Berlin[1] will be held from June 26-28, and we're getting close
to crossing the 100-person-preregistered mark.
Don't forget to pre-register[2] for the event, and also to sign up for
lodging[3] if you need it.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_attendees
3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_lodging
==== Upcoming Events ====
Consider attending or volunteering at an event near you!
May 15: Fedora Venezuela Anniversary[1] in Caracas, Venezuela.
May 15-16: VCNSL[2] in Caracas, Venezuela.
May 22-23: eLiberatica[3] in Bucharest, Romania.
May 29-30: III ENSL e IV FSLBA[4] in Salvador, Brazil.
1. http://www.fedora-ve.org/
2. http://cnsl.org.ve/
3. http://www.eliberatica.ro/2009/
4. http://wiki.softwarelivre.org/Festival4
== Planet Fedora ==
In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora - an
aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide.
http://planet.fedoraproject.org
Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin
=== General ===
Matthew Garrett explained[1] that there have been some patches submitted
to ALSA that should clear up issues that some older ThinkPads have
experienced with the volume controls and mixer levels.
Silas Sewell described[2] how Puppet can be used to manage large
networks. "Puppet is an open source configuration management tool
written in Ruby. It allows a systems administrator to define how a
system should be configured using Puppets declarative language. Each
Puppet client pulls its catalog at a regular interval and figures out
how to make the catalog definitions true for the local operating
system."
Silas also packaged[3] Scribe, "a server for aggregating log data
streamed in real time from a large number of servers" (written by
Facebook).
Venkatesh Hariharan quoted[4] Andy Grove (former Chairman and CEO of
Intel) "comparing how patents have become like the mortgage-backed
securities that caused the current financial meltdown".
Adam Williamson updated[5] the Fedora Bug Process wiki page. "One
significant thing it formalizes was discussed at the QA meeting this
morning: what happens when a Rawhide bug gets fixed." Adam also
"re-arranged it in a more logical order, wikified it, and added a lot
more detail on bits of the process, states, and resolutions that werent
previously covered. It also now explicitly mentions which resolutions
and states are valid for Fedora and which arent."
Jesse Keating mused[6] about the similarities between cooking popcorn
(mmm popcorn...) and releasing software.
Valent Turkovic wrote[7] about installing OpenVAS, the Open
Vulnerability Assessment System (a fork from Nessus after it went
closed-source) in Fedora.
Samuel Iglesias shared[8] some basic vim tips. Regardless of your
preferred editor, vi is generally installed everywhere so it is useful
to know the basic.
Jeremy Katz followed-up[9] from his previous post (mentioned in FWN
Issue 174) on the relevance of PPC as a primary Fedora architecture. At
this week's Fedora Board meeting, "the Board voted and decided that from
the Board level, PPC is no longer required to be a primary arch." Jeremy
added "That does not mean that PPC is now automatically a secondary
arch... The next step is that I am proposing to FESCo that they consider
a proposal to have PPC become a secondary arch for Fedora 12."
Josh Boyer announced[10] that, contrary to previous reports of doom,
deltarpms may in fact make it into Fedora 11.
1. http://mjg59.livejournal.com/110870.html
2.
http://www.silassewell.com/blog/2009/05/04/managing-large-networks-with-p...
3.
http://www.silassewell.com/blog/2009/05/07/scribe-scalable-real-time-log-...
4.
http://osindia.blogspot.com/2009/05/andy-grove-patents-are-like-mortgage....
5. http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/05/06/the-fedora-bug-process/
6. http://jkeating.livejournal.com/68883.html
7.
http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/volunerability-scann...
8. http://blog.samuelig.es/?p=278
9. http://velohacker.com/fedora-notes/ppc-and-fedora-whats-next/
10. http://jwboyer.livejournal.com/31831.html
== Ambassadors ==
In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero
=== Fedora Stars in Trenton ===
Kam Salisbury reports that the Trenton Computer Festival (TCF) held in
New Jersey USA was a moderate sucess from the Fedora Ambassador activity
perspective.
Held every April, TCF brings together electronics enthusiasts of all
types. On April 25-26, TCF allowed Fedora to be represented with the
Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- PLUG[1] -- and the New Jersey Linux
Users Group -- NJLUG [2]. Well over 100 people stopped by the exposition
tables to inquire about Fedora or Linux in general[3].
=== Fedora at FOSS-nigma Workshop ===
Anirudh Singh Shekhawat reports on FOSS-nigma, the first-ever Linux
Users Group Jaipur workshop, which was held at Kautilya Institute of
Technology in India on April 26. Among the activities at FOSS-nigma were
a FOSS talk session and a Fedora installfest, specifically:
* Introduction to FOSS by Varad Gupta, the first RHCSS in India, an
active contributor to the community who also runs a linux training
academy in Delhi called Fostering Linux.
* Fedora Project by Anirudh Singh Shekhawat, Fedora ambassador and
third-year student. Anirudh talked about installation and ease of
use on desktops. Anirudh also touched on people getting involved in
the community and help them give ways to contribute back to the
community.
On the Fedora Install fest, 100 Fedora CDs and DVDs were made available
and a demonstration using a projector was performed, showing the ease of
installation of Fedora 10. Thanks go out to Mr. Rahul Sundaram and to
Mr. Susmit who graciously sent us the media.
Fedora 11 release events
With the upcoming release of Fedora 11, posting your event on Fedora
Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact FWN Ambassador
correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with
announcements of upcoming events (and don't forget to e-mail reports
after the events as well).
1. http://phillylinux.org
2. http://www.njlug.org
3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/sets/72157615817707690/
== QualityAssurance ==
In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1].
Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA
=== Test Days ===
This week's Test Day[1] was on virtualization[2], particularly the
virtualization technologies most associated with Fedora - KVM, qemu,
libvirt and virt-manager. We had a great turnout of developers and
testers and managed to cover a lot of ground, and over 25 new bugs were
discovered and reported.
Next week's Test Day[3] will be on iBus[4], the new default input
framework for Asian languages for Fedora 11. If you use Fedora in one of
these languages - for instance, Chinese, Japanese or Korean - you'll
want to come out to this test day, as this is a significant change and
we need to make sure it's working in all situations, and fix any bugs if
it's not. The Test Day will be held on 2009-05-14 (Thursday) in IRC
#fedora-qa.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-07_Virtualization
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization
3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-14_iBus
4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IBus
=== Weekly Meetings ===
The QA group weekly meeting[1] was held on 2009-05-06. The full log is
available[2]. James Laska reported solid progress in transferring future
tasks for the autoqa project into trac.
Will Woods reported on several Fedora 10 to Fedora 11 upgrade bugs he
has been tracking, and noted that he needs to write some more upgrade
test cases to cover areas where bugs are consistently being found.
James Laska reported that he had not had time to work with David Zeuthen
and Lennart Poettering on false positives in the hard disk failure
detection system, but Will Woods noted that relevant bugs had been filed
by others[3] and the issue is definitely on the active radar for the
developers.
Will Woods, James Laska and Adam Williamson reported steady progress on
reviewing blocker bugs for SELinux, anaconda and X.org for Fedora 11
respectively, and the discussion then turned into a debate about the
process for resolving Rawhide bugs in Bugzilla. The group agreed that
the maintainer should be allowed to choose whether to close a bug
immediately after checking in a fix for the reported issue, or whether
to set the status to MODIFIED and wait for confirmation from the
reporter that the bug is truly fixed before closing.
Jesse Keating reported on progress in the autoqa project. He has been
working on a conflict finder test, and the autoqa team has been
discussing directions for future development.
Adam Williamson reported on the volume control application debate. His
package of the old gnome-volume-control under the name gst-mixer has
been accepted into the Fedora 11 repositories and added to the default
package groups so that it will be installed by default in the DVD
package selection and on the desktop spin for Fedora 11 release. The
'pavucontrol' mixer for PulseAudio has been removed, so Fedora 11's
desktop spin and default DVD installation package set will include two
graphical mixers, the new gnome-volume-control and gst-mixer. These
between them cover all major use cases.
Jóhann Guðmundsson raised the issue of Jesse Keating's proposal to drop
the Alpha release for the Fedora 12 cycle. James Laska worried that it
might cause trouble for Fedora 12 Test Days. Jóhann pointed out that
live CDs are now habitually generated for each Test Day, but James
worried about what would happen if it proved impossible to generate a
live CD for a week. Jesse explained that as far as he saw it, the main
value of Alpha was to be a known-good point to bootstrap a Rawhide
installation, and it often fails at that. He suggested that for Fedora
12, Fedora 11 release could serve as the known-good point to bootstrap a
Rawhide installation.
The Bugzappers group weekly meeting[4] was held on 2009-05-05. The full
log is available[5]. Adam Williamson reported on progress with the
triage metrics project: members of the Fedora Python development group
had volunteered and helped port the code to Python 2.4 (as is required
before it can run on Infrastructure's servers), but wanted some test
data to confirm that their fixes are valid. Adam will try to ensure
Brennan provides the necessary test data, and then the application can
likely go live.
Adam also reported on the status of the Bugzilla priority/severity
proposal. The group agreed that his final draft of the proposed email to
the development group was good. Adam suggested that it would be a good
idea for another group member to actually send the proposal, and Matej
Cepl volunteered to do it.
Edward Kirk reported on the progress of the SOP to cover accepting new
members into the Bugzappers group. The group decided to put the SOP into
place on the Wiki and work on any further changes 'live'. Edward agreed
to take care of publishing the SOP with appropriate links.
The group then voted unanimously to adjourn the meeting and go eat
cookies.
The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-05-13 at 1600 UTC in
#fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-05-12 at
1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings
2. http://www.happyassassin.net/extras/fedora-qa-20090506.log
3. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=495956
4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings
5.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2009-May-05
=== Fedora Bug Workflow ===
Adam Williamson announced[1] that he had extensively revised the Fedora
bug workflow page[2] to more extensively cover all the available
statuses and resolutions, and all the common processes through which
most bug reports go. Niels Haase pointed out[3] that the NEXTRELEASE
resolution, which Adam had described in the page as not used for Fedora,
is actually used by the automated Bodhi scripts when resolving a bug for
which an official update has been issued. Adam followed up this issue,
and reported[4] that his discussions indicated his interpretation - that
bugs fixed in stable releases should be closed as ERRATA - is likely
correct, and the Bodhi scripts should be adjusted.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00304.html
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00317.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00374.html
=== Bugzappers new member SOP ===
Edward Kirk reported[1] that he had put the new member SOP for the
Bugzappers group live on the Wiki, as agreed at the weekly meeting.
Christopher Beland suggested[2] that the language used was very formal,
and some areas might be a little vague. Adam Williamson promised[3] to
try and find time to revise the page a little.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00333.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00349.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00355.html
== Developments ==
In this section the people, personalities and debates on the
@fedora-devel mailing list are summarized.
Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley
=== Presto A-Go-Go ! ===
Thanks to some hard work by Fedora Infrastructure folk Luke Macken, Seth
Vidal, Bill Nottingham and Josh Boyer Fedora 11 will[1] come
Presto-enabled contrary to last week's gloomy forecast[2].
Paul W. Frields described the potential saved download bandwidth as
"[t]ypically [...] in double digits, but Ive heard of cases already
(using our development branch Rawhide) where people were saving 90% or
more of their download time."
1. http://jwboyer.livejournal.com/31831.html
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue#Presto_No_Go
=== PPC as a Secondary Architecture ===
The 2009-05-07 FESCo summary reported[1] that there is interest in
moving PowerPC to secondary architecture status. David Woodhouse
suggested[2] that it would be interesting to hear from existing
secondary architecture teams on the problems they had experienced. To
date there are no secondary architectures ready to ship in Fedora.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00581.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00614.html
=== Retiring Packages ===
The decision of the 2009-05-07 FESCo meeting to orphan packages from
de-activated maintainers led[1] Toshio Kuratomi to advertise that
PackageDB will soon be able to retire packages.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00596.html
=== RawERhide ? ===
Jesse Keating asked[1]: "How is it we have 182 stable updates pending
for F11 already? How have these seen any testing by a wider audience?
Are we really just not bothering with updates-testing anymore? Do we not
care about distro stability?" An interesting thread discussed the ways
in which developer workflow and the availability of updates for testing
can be re-aligned to each other. Among the complications discussed were
the need to provide a way to upgrade for a previous release and the
coupling of DVD image preparation with a release.
Till Maas replied that updates-testing requests for Fedora 11 had
apparently not been processed and Kevin Kofler argued[2] that the
chances were high that packages which built succesfully on an earlier
release would build on a later one. This was disputed by Jesse Keating.
David Cantrell and Seth Vidal shared[3] their experience of users not
responding to requests to test and comment on updates provided in Bodhi.
A debate over the problems caused between the mismatch between the
rolling, continuous nature of development and the need to freeze
packages in a known state to produce a release received substantial
contributions from Ralf Corsepius, who argued[4] that
Release-Engineering should change the workflow considerably. Jesse
Keating responded[5] with a defense of the current system which
emphasized the need of maintainers to adhere to the current workflow and
"good development practices."
Richard W.M. Jones was[6] in favor of rolling releases.
Michael Schwendt explained[7] the problems arising when the
updates-testing repository was not used as intended.
Michal Hlavinka proposed[8] breaking the freeze solely for the
updates-testing repository shortly before the GA release.
There's a lot more in this thread beyond the ability of your
correspondent to summarize adequately. It's worth a read for anyone
trying to understand how and why Fedora is produced.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00359.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00573.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00382.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00435.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00469.html
6.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00398.html
7.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00554.html
8.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00448.html
=== Crypto Consolidation ===
Adam Goode asked[1] whether NSS was ready to provide TLS support. Adam
referenced the Crypto Consolidation project[2] (see also FWN#107[3]).
Dan Winship confirmed[4] that for the present NSS was best used directly
with applications rather than by other libraries. Robert Relyea
provided[5] a detailed response to Adam including the hopeful sounding
news that some of the issues around NSS_Init may be fixed in a few
months.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00349.html
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraCryptoConsolidation
3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue107#Crypto_Consolidation
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00370.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00493.html
=== Intel Moblin Pushing Proprietary Poulsbo ? ===
Last week's thread[1] about the significant amount of Fedora-originating
code being rolled into Intel's Moblin2 platform without much kudos or
thanks continued. Questions were asked[2] about why Intel was not
providing code for the Poulsbo graphics chipset (common in many
netbooks) except via obscure repositories. The appearance of ex-Red
Hatter Arjan van de Ven, who argued in defense of binary blobs in these
drivers, occasioned[3] some wry commentary.
When Adam Williamson pointed to a "huge new pile of crack [...] in the
Ubuntu Mobile special-sauce repositories [...]" Dan Williams asked[4]:
"What makes the Poulsbo team so special that they are exempt from the
upstreaming policy that every other part of Intel seems to follow so
well these days?" Later discussion suggested[5] that it ought to at
least be possible to produce a "[...] basic native accelerated 2D driver
which doesn't depend on all the horrible proprietary crack [.]"
1.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue#Moblin2_Mostly_Fedora-deriv...
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00212.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00248.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00326.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00491.html
== Translation ==
This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n)
Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N
Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee
=== FLP Meeting Held on 5th May 2009 ===
The FLP Meeting, chaired by FLSCo member NorikoMizumoto was held on 5th
May 2009. The important issues discussed[1][2] include the frequency of
the FLP meeting, problems surrounding the F11 Release Notes, determining
probable package exceptions to the string freeze policy and the
Installation Guide colophon.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00018.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00017.html
=== Colophon ===
Further to the earlier discussion[1], NorikoMizumoto put forward a
suggestion[2] to segregate the Colophon section of the Installation
Guide as a writeable file, which could be modified by the translation
team members and the names of the translators could be added within
respective language sections. Ruedigar Landmann the maintainer of the
Fedora Installation Guide concurrs[3] with the idea of segregating the
file, however he expresses concern about the earlier suggestion to
restrict the translator credits for a particular language within the
respective language documentation as this approach would lead to
non-recognition of valuable contributions in other languages. In
response to PaulFrields call[4] to make the process more scaleable, he
also mentions[5] that the current documentation and translation process
results in acknowledgment of new translators late by one build of the
document.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue174#Document_Colophon
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00012.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00031.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00039.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00042.html
=== Long Release Notes ===
NorikoMizumoto[1] and Xavier Conde[2] have raised concerns about the
feasibility of translating the extremely lengthy Fedora Release Notes.
Although suggestions about dividing the bulky file into manageable
chunks have been put forward, the main concern still remains about the
target audience for the document and the content covered. A similar
discussion had taken place earlier[3] and as a result the Fedora
Documentation team has also taken up this matter for consideration[4]
for Fedora 12.
Meanwhile, John J. McDonough announced[5] the deadline and final build
of the Fedora 11 Release Notes for GA.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00019.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00022.html
3.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue171#Fedora_11_Release_Notes_Discus...
4.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_decisions_for_F12#What_will_release_no...
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00014.html
=== Installation Guide screenshot ===
In a discussion in the Fedora-Documentation and Fedora-Translation
mailing lists, about the many screenshots in the Fedora Installation
Guide, Ruedigar Landmann mentions[1] that due to the complexity in
acquiring the screenshots during the installation process, all the
relevant screenshots for each language have been captured by him and
have been used in the localized versions of the document.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00032.html
=== News and Media Coverage Plan ===
As part of the Fedora 11 News and Media Coverage plan, Steven Moix has
announced[1] the plan to translate the Fedora 11 Release Announcement in
a few prominent languages - German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi,
Italian and Arabic. This would be coordinated by the Fedora
Documentation and Translation teams.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00049.html
=== New Members/Co-ordinators in FLP ===
Arnes Arnautović[1] and Michel Duquaine[2] (French) joined the
Fedora Localization Project last week.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00048.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00050.html
== Artwork ==
In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork
Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei
=== Banners, Posters, T-shirts ===
Maria Leandro posted[1] on @fedora-art a banner idea for FUDcon LATAM "I
was working on some ideas for a banner that we want to use on fisl 9.0 (
FUDcon Latam ) but I know that I have some mistakes with the logo
guidance and the tm background" which quickly received a round of
improvements from Nicu Buculei[2] and Martin Sourada[3] helping Maria to
reach a better version[4].
In reply, Jayme Ayres came with his own design[5] "as we have several
spaces in the event, Maria Leandro and I are thinking of doing some
different gear" and Nicu, even if not from LATAM, felt motivated[6] to
try his own poster concept "It looks like you will have a lot of eye
candy and make me feel bad for being lazy and not implementing a few
ideas buried deep in a corner of my head".
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00012.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00013.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00017.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00041.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00019.html
6.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00035.html
In parallel with the posters "ping-pong", MolaPahnadayan proposed[1] a
lion themed T-shirt design. Later Ian Weller proposed [2] a "splatter"
t-shirt design, for which Máirín Duffy tried[3] her own variation
"Here's some alternative ideas to get the same kind of look/feel without
buzzing the logo so much."
>From the T-shirt talk a question was raised about the proper way to
write the fedoraproject.org website address on such materials and it was
answered[4][5] by Paul W. Frields "We do put 'join.fedoraproject.org' on
our DVD/CD media, so we might want to remain consistent by using that
URL. But I think leaving off 'http://'; is fine" and "I also think using
'fedoraproject.org' on its own would be fine."
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00018.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00050.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00057.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00047.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00048.html
=== Wallpaper with or without the Lion ===
Rodrigo Padula expressed his dissatisfaction[1] with the lion graphic
not being visible in the single screen of the wallpaper for Fedora 11
(editorial note: the lion is currently used as a kind of Easter-egg for
people with dual-screen setups) and called for a different way of
decision-making "My sugestion isn't to 'voting on every bug and issue
that comes up', but voting on artwork options for every Fedora Release
to take a direction (not a final decision), to have feedback from the
people that spread and use Fedora around the world. [...] For me this
decision impacts all users/contributors/ambassadors, but the decision
isn't clear and isn't open!" while Máirín Duffy pointed[2] to the
specific mailing list threads where the issue was discussed and
underlined the need of a decision making and its downsides "There is no
way to satisfy everyone with the artwork. When one person is happy,
there are 5 others who are upset about it."
Max Spevack defended Máirín's position[3] "Mo has said it correctly. The
purpose of Fedora is not to vote on all sorts of things. The purpose of
Fedora is to provide a leadership model for individual teams to take
ownership of tasks, and work those tasks to completion in an open,
inclusive way. Discussing which of several options is 'most right' is
perfectly fine, but in the end decisions are made by the people in the
teams who are directly doing the work, or those who are active
participants" and Nicu Buculei tried a compromise[4] "here is my
proposed solution, hope the schedule still allow it: include the right
screen (the lion head) in the default package, so those wanting it don't
have to download additional stuff, have only to click on 'Change Desktop
Background' (as we had with the temple image)." Finally, Martin Sourada
provided[5] and the situation was defused.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00063.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00067.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00089.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00084.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00100.html
== Fedora Weekly Webcomic ==
Contributing Artist: Nicu Buculei
In which Leonidas is crowned[1]
1.
http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2009/05/fedora-weekly-webcomic-reign_07.html
== Security Advisories ==
In this section, we cover Security Advisories from
fedora-package-announce.
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-package-announce
Contributing Writer: David Nalley
=== Fedora 10 Security Advisories ===
* lcms-1.18-2.fc10 -
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-May/msg00285....
=== Fedora 9 Security Advisories ===
* lcms-1.18-2.fc9 -
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-May/msg00233....
== Virtualization ==
In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization
technologies on the @et-mgmnt-tools-list, @fedora-xen-list, and
@libvirt-list lists.
Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley
=== Fedora Virtualization List ===
This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list.
==== Virtualization Test Day ====
The Fedora 11 "Test Day"[1] for virtualization[2] took place on Thursday
May 7th.
Mark McLoughlin thought[3] "we made heaps of progress today. To give you
an idea of what went on today, see below for the list of bugs that were
filed during the test day." See the post for a concise list of bugs
revealed during testing.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Test_Days
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-07_Virtualization
3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00046.html
==== Fedora virt status ====
Mark McLoughlin posted[1] another informative Fedora virtualization
status report. For those who live life beyond the bleeding edge, Mark
points out "F12 tracker bugs have been created.[2] The F12 blocker and
target bugs depend on the F11 counterparts. The idea is that if we don't
fix a bug in F11, it's automatically on the F12 tracker but we still
have a list of bugs worth fixing in a post-GA F11 update."
Read the full post for more coverage of developments and useful bug
summaries.
1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00020.html
2. http://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Virtualization_bugs
==== libguestfs on non-Fedora Platforms ====
Charles Duffy described[1] some "personal hackery" created to solve the
same problems as libguestfs (FWN#174[2]), but by way of a different
toolchain. Charles wanted to build libguestfs on his platform but
uncovered many bugs and asked, "is my goal reasonable, or am I better
off sticking with my in-house solution for the time being?"
Richard Jones addressed several of the bugs and posted[3]his "notes on
building libguestfs and dependencies on RHEL 5 and derived
distributions" followed with a blow by blow account of hammering
libguestfs and its dependencies into submission. Finally, Richard
announced[4] RPMs for RHEL/CentOS 5.3.
Charles thanked[5] him "kindly for going above and beyond on this one!".
1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00017.html
2.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue174#New_Release_libguestfs_1.0.15
3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00029.html
4. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00045.html
5. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00047.html
=== Fedora Xen List ===
This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-xen list.
==== Experimental Dom0 on Fedora 11 ====
Pasi Kärkkäinen reports[1] success with a dom0 kernel using Fedora 11
Rawhide. "I'm able to run Xen paravirtual (PV) domUs, install new domUs
using virt-install and also install and manage domains with
virt-manager."
The environment used was:
* Fedora 11 (rawhide as of 2009-05-05)
* Xen included in F11, no external patches (xen-3.3.1-11.fc11)
* xen-tip/next pv_ops dom0 kernel as of 2009-05-06, Linux
2.6.30-rc3.
* All the rest was standard stuff included in Fedora 11 aswell
Michael Young continues[2] to post experimental dom0 kernels to a yum
repo[3].
1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2009-May/msg00007.html
2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2009-May/msg00000.html
3. http://fedorapeople.org/~myoung/dom0/
--
Oisin Feeley
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley
15 years
Ambassadors beat is done
by Larry Cafiero
Shocking, I know: I finally got an Ambassadors beat in before sundown on
Sunday.
Happy Mother's Day.
Larry Cafiero
15 years
Fedora Weekly News #174
by Oisin Feeley
Fedora Weekly News Issue 174
Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 174[1] for the week ending May 3rd,
2009.
This week Announcements suggests reading the release notes for "Fedora
11 (Leonidas)". PlanetFedora highlights some choice posts from Fedora
blogs including one on the relevance of PPC as a primary architecture.
Ambassadors reports that "Fedora stars at Flisol Caracas".
QualityAssurance is packed with information on "Test Days" for SSSD and
Virtualization. Developments warns of a "Presto No Go" and shares some
"Ext4 fallocate() Happiness". Translation reflects a huge amount of
activity including "Documentation Decisions for Fedora 12". Artwork
wonders if there will be a Plymouth plugin for Fedora 11 Leonidas. The
Weekly Webcomic peeks and pokes at some color preferences!
Virtualization includes a look at a new libguestfs release and other
salient developments. As always FWN is a Must Read for anyone interested
in Fedora!
If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see
our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback:
fedora-news-list(a)redhat.com
FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Oisin Feeley, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala
Contents
1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 174
1.1 Announcements
1.1.1 Fedora 11 (Leonidas)
1.1.2 FUDCons and FADs
1.1.2.1 Fedora Activity Day Malaysia
1.1.2.2 FUDCon Porto Alegre 2009
1.1.2.3 FUDCon Berlin 2009
1.1.3 Upcoming Events
1.2 Planet Fedora
1.2.1 General
1.3 QualityAssurance
1.3.1 Test Days
1.3.2 Weekly Meetings
1.3.3 Special Triage Procedure Requests from Developers
1.3.4 Priority/Severity Proposal Draft
1.4 Developments
1.4.1 Fedora 11 Preview Xorg "Lock-up"
1.4.2 Presto No Go
1.4.3 Fedora 12 Changes to GConf and intltool
1.4.4 Ext4 fallocate() Happiness
1.4.5 NetworkManager in Fedora 11 Preview
1.4.6 Moblin2 Mostly Fedora-derived ?
1.4.7 Fedora 12: How to use DBUS for Terminal Sessions ?
1.4.8 PulseAudio Flamewar Continues
1.5 Translation
1.5.1 Document Colophon
1.5.2 Missing sections from the F11 Release Notes
1.5.3 Fedora 11 Countdown Banner
1.5.4 Fedora Security Guide Now Available
1.5.5 FLP Meeting Scheduled
1.5.6 Freeze break in comps module
1.5.7 Transifex Translation Request
1.5.8 Documentation Decisions for Fedora 12
1.5.9 New Members/Co-ordinators in FLP
1.6 Artwork
1.6.1 FUDCon T-shirts
1.6.2 Closing to the Release
1.7 Fedora Weekly Webcomic
1.8 Virtualization
1.8.1 Fedora Virtualization List
1.8.1.1 Virtualization Test Day
1.8.1.2 New Release libguestfs 1.0.15
1.8.1.3 Install Grub Bootloader on Converted Virtual Images
1.8.1.4 Virt-Manage an Existing Guest
1.9 Ambassadors
1.9.1 Fedora stars at Flisol Caracas
1.9.2 Got Ambassador News?
== Announcements ==
In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events
Contributing Writer: Max Spevack
=== Fedora 11 (Leonidas) ===
The Fedora 11 Preview was released[3] on April 28th. Be sure to read the
release notes[4], and make sure you report any bugs[5] that you find.
The final release is just around the corner.
Download the Fedora 11 Preview here[6].
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue174
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-April/msg00011.html
4. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f11preview/
5. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report
6. http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease
=== FUDCons and FADs ===
This section previews upcoming Fedora Users & Developers Conferences, as
well as upcoming Fedora Activity Days.
==== Fedora Activity Day Malaysia ====
Planning is underway for a Fedora Activity Day[1] in Malaysia at the end
of May, contingent upon gathering together sufficient Fedora
contributors to make such an event worthwhile. If you are in the area
and are interested in attending or have some ideas on projects that
could be worked on, see the wiki page[2] for more information.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Malaysia_May_2009
==== FUDCon Porto Alegre 2009 ====
FUDCon Porto Alegre[1] will take place June 24-27 in Brazil. About 30
people have signed up so far, and we're hopeful for an attendance of
over 100.
If you would like more information, and to sign up, please visit the
wiki page.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:LATAM_2009
==== FUDCon Berlin 2009 ====
FUDCon Berlin[1] will be held from June 26-28, and we're getting close
to crossing the 100-person-preregistered mark.
Don't forget to pre-register[2] for the event, and also to sign up for
lodging[3] if you need it.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_attendees
3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_lodging
==== Upcoming Events ====
Consider attending or volunteering at an event near you!
May 2: Introduction to FOSS, Fedora workshop in Pradesh, India.
May 4-8: VI Foro Mundial de Conocimiento Libre[1] in Mérida, Venezuela.
May 9-10: FossComm2[2] in Larissa, Greece.
May 10: Akihabara Fedora 10 Distribution[3] in Tokyo, Japan.
May 15: Fedora Venezuela Anniversary[4] in Caracas, Venezuela.
May 15-16: VCNSL[5] in Caracas, Venezuela.
May 22-23: eLiberatica[6] in Bucharest, Romania.
May 29-30: III ENSL e IV FSLBA[7] in Salvador, Brazil.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FMCL/VI-FMCL
2. http://larisa.fosscomm.gr/
3. http://www.e-akihabara.jp/en/
4. http://www.fedora-ve.org/
5. http://cnsl.org.ve/
6. http://www.eliberatica.ro/2009/
7. http://wiki.softwarelivre.org/Festival4
== Planet Fedora ==
In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora - an
aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide.
http://planet.fedoraproject.org
Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin
=== General ===
Daniel Walsh described[1] some recent changes to the way SELinux deals
with unconfined domains and users.
Tom Callaway explained[2] a few intricacies relating to trademarks. He
also explained how he worked with a Fedora rebuild to ensure that
Fedora's trademarks were protected.
Adam Williamson summarized[3] "The Great Mixer Debate" (see also FWN173)
together with nice screenshots. Without going into too many details, the
volume control systems in Fedora 11 have been changed and a great debate
ensued.
Harish Pillay attended[4] a Microsoft Interoperability event in which
the topic of software patents was discussed.
Heherson Pagcaliwagan showed off[5] some photos from a Geek Camp[6] in
Batangas City, Philippines.
Richard W.M. Jones wrote[7] a tutorial explaining how to extend
libguestfs.
James Antill found[8] an interesting way of searching for all "the
BugZilla tickets which I've looked at 'recently'" (other than archiving
all of the bugzilla mails into a giant folder).
Jeremy Katz questioned[9] the relevance of PPC as a primary architecture
for Fedora.
Lubomir Rintel released[10] shortrpm, a tool to allow rpmbuild to
short-circuit already completed parts of a build, instead of starting
from scratch every time.
Luis Villa shared[11] his thoughts on the pending lawsuit between
RealNetworks and the MPAA regarding the legality of Real's RealDVD
software.
In a later (unrelated) post, Luis Villa posted[12] a response to a
recent controversy resulting from potentially offensive slides being
presented at a conference.
John Poelstra described[13] Test Days, their usefulness and recent
successes in the run up to Fedora 11.
John Palmieri reached out[14] for donations to the GNOME Foundation in
order to continue developments and retain their new Executive Director.
1. http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/27885.html
2. http://spot.livejournal.com/307318.html
3.
http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/04/27/the-great-mixer-debate-or-where-d...
4. http://harishpillay.livejournal.com/154849.html
5. http://project.azneita.org/2009/04/29/geek-camp-in-pictures/
6. http://bluepoint.com.ph/index.php?entry=20090419235900&show=album
7.
http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/contributing-a-libguestfs-enhancemen...
8. http://illiterat.livejournal.com/7125.html
9. http://velohacker.com/fedora-notes/ppc-relevance-in-fedora/
10. http://v3.sk/~lkundrak/blog/entries/shortrpm.html
11.
http://tieguy.org/blog/2009/04/29/me-on-gizmodo-on-the-realdvd-case/
12. http://tieguy.org/blog/2009/04/30/thoughtlessness-in-open-source/
13.
http://poelcat.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/fedora-11-rains-test-days/
14.
http://www.j5live.com/2009/04/30/the-gnome-foundation-needs-your-help/
== QualityAssurance ==
In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1].
Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA
=== Test Days ===
This week's Test Day[1] was on SSSD[2], which provide a set of daemons
to manage access to remote directories and authentication mechanisms. A
good group of interested people turned out to help test the system, and
several bug reports were filed.
Next week's Test Day[3] will be on virtualization[4], with a particular
emphasis on some of the new features in Fedora 11, mainly to do with
KVM. The Test Day page already includes a list of test areas, with
estimated test times and the number of testers needed for each area, so
you can sign yourself up in the list in preparation for the test day.
You will need an installed system fully updated to latest Rawhide (you
can start by installing the Fedora 11 Preview release). If you're a
virtualization enthusiast, please come along and help test! The Test Day
will be held on 2009-05-07 (Thursday) in IRC #fedora-qa.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-04-30
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SSSD
3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-07_Virtualization
4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization
=== Weekly Meetings ===
The QA group weekly meeting[1] was held on 2009-04-29. The full log is
available[2]. Adam Williamson reported on his request for feedback on
PulseAudio in Fedora 11 from the forum community. He said the response
had been quite small and had not reported any major problems, a good
indication that things are quite solid. Will Woods mentioned that the
known problems with some Intel chipsets and PA's glitch-free audio
feature had now been mostly resolved.
James Laska noted that there were several reports indicating the new
hard disk failure detection system may be reporting false positives. The
group agreed it should keep an eye on this situation and try to
determine for certain whether there were bugs in the detection.
Will Woods reported on autoqa progress. A trac installation for autoqa
is now available[3], but there has been no progress in the code since
next week. James Laska suggested setting a goal of finishing the
previously agreed-upon to-do list by the time of Fedora 11's release,
and Will agreed that this was a sensible target.
Will also reported on a planned new version of preupgrade, the tool for
helping do smooth in-place upgrades of Fedora systems. It now attempts
to find updated versions of all repositories, including third-party
ones, and rejects /boot on mdraid.
The group then discussed the state of the Fedora 11 blocker bug list,
with reference to the impending Fedora 11 RC cycle. They agreed that
2009-05-11 and 2009-05-12 would be set aside for review of the list,
divided by component, with each team member working on components with
which they are familiar.
The group then discussed upgrade methods, with regard to a bug[4] noted
by Seth Vidal which would essentially prevent an in-place upgrade using
yum from working correctly. Will Woods reiterated that yum-based
upgrading is intentionally undocumented and unsupported (i.e. yum's
developer does not consider that it should be expected to work, FESco
does not expect package maintainers to build their packages such that it
works, and QA does not accept responsibility for ensuring it works). The
intended method for doing such upgrades is to use the preupgrade tool.
James Laska mentioned that he was looking for volunteers to help
organize test cases for the upcoming virtualization Test Day[5]. Please
contact James if you're interested in helping out with this.
The Bugzappers group weekly meeting[6] was held on 2009-04-28. The full
log is available[7]. John Poelstra noted that, as the Fedora 11 release
nears, it is time for the group to request the regularly scheduled
Bugzilla changes that accompany a new release. John then selflessly
volunteered to take care of this, with the help of Niels Haase.
In the absence of Brennan Ashton, Adam Williamson reported on the
progress of the triage metrics project, having met with Brennan the
previous weekend. He reported that the code for the project was
essentially complete and hosting via the Infrastructure group had
already been provisioned, but the code relied on Python 2.5-specific
features, while Infrastructure's servers all run Python 2.4. Thus the
project was waiting on Brennan, or someone else, to port the Python
2.5-specific code to Python 2.4 before it could be operational.
Adam also reported on the status of the Bugzilla priority/severity
proposal, and noted he was nearly ready to send the proposal to the
development group.
John Poelstra reported that the maintainers of the Red Hat Bugzilla
installation were interested in feedback from the Bugzappers group on
what proposed new features and fixes for Bugzilla would be of most
interest to them. He promised to send relevant URLs to the mailing list.
The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-05-06 at 1600 UTC in
#fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-05-05 at
1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings
2. http://www.happyassassin.net/extras/fedora-qa-20090429.log
3. http://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/
4. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=494046
5. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-07_Virtualization
6. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings
7.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2009-Apr-28
=== Special Triage Procedure Requests from Developers ===
The Bugzappers group continued its discussion of how to handle special
triage procedure requests from maintainers (which was started[1] the
previous week by Adam Williamson). Adam continued to maintain that all
special requests from maintainers should be respected if at all
possible, as the triage process exists almost entirely to aid
maintainers in their work. John Poelstra worried[2] that it may be
impossible to accurately track all the different special requests that
maintainers might make, a position backed up[3] by John Summerfield.
Christopher Beland felt[4] that special requests have a cost in terms of
recruiting triagers and performing system-wide tasks. Kevin Kofler
suggested[5] an alternative system that might work without varying the
standard triage process for the particular special request that had
started the discussion, and pointed out that in the current process, the
NEW, ASSIGNED and ON_DEV statuses are essentially being abused. No final
agreement was reached on the various topics brooched as of yet, and it
seems the issue might feed back into the problem of shared bug workflow
between Fedora and RHEL.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-April/msg01418.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-April/msg01605.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-April/msg01623.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-April/msg01607.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-April/msg01671.html
=== Priority/Severity Proposal Draft ===
Adam Williamson submitted[1] a revised proposed draft of the email to
the development list on the use of the priority and severity fields in
Bugzilla, addressing the concerns raised since the previous draft, and
including Matej Cepl's alternative proposal.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00021.html
== Developments ==
In this section the people, personalities and debates on the
@fedora-devel mailing list are summarized.
Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley
=== Fedora 11 Preview Xorg "Lock-up" ===
DrDiesel reported[1] an Xorg lockup with a fully updated Fedora 11
Preview on 2009-04-28 whenever he visited a particular webpage.
Subsequent confirmation from other testers led[2] to a bugzilla report.
It intially appeared to be a soft lock according to some comments on the
bug which reported the ability to move the mouse cursor and play music.
Some very helpful contributions from Adam Jackson suggested[3] that the
problem was due to a ridiculously large blit[4] exposing mis-handling of
video memory mapping by the kernel. Adam laid[5] the blame squarely on
the mis-coding of the web-page. He added that this was not actually a
lock-up, just agonizingly slow rendering. RichardKörber requested
further help in debugging this and similar problems and that request
led[6] to a nice, succinct recipe for generating gdb backtraces.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02425.html
2. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498131
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02452.html
4.
http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/HowVideoCardsWork#head-e3...
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02487.html
6.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02468.html
=== Presto No Go ===
Unfortunately it appears that Presto, the near miraculous bandwidth
saving YUM plugin[1], will not be an official part of Fedora 11 due to
infrastructure issues cited[2] by Paul W. Frields. This is contrary to
what we reported[3] in FWN#172.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeaturePresto
2. http://paul.frields.org/?p=1611
3.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue172#Presto_and_DeltaRPM_Status
=== Fedora 12 Changes to GConf and intltool ===
Matthias Clasen requested[1] feedback on changes in the way sechma
translations were handled in GConf and intltool: ly, translations were
merged by intltool from .po files into schemas files and then copied by
gconftool from the schemas file into the database. Now, translations are
kept in .po files, and intltool only copies the gettext domain into the
schemas, and further into the GConf database. The only tool that ever
uses these translations, gconf-editor, knows how to get them from the
message catalogs. The big advantage of this change is that schemas
shrink radically, which should help a lot with the 'slow updates due to
GConf' problem. It also reduces the redundancy of storing the schema
translations in three places, which should help with live cd size."
It seemed[2] that all GConf-using applications will be rebuilt before
Fedora 12 ships but that there is no immediate rush to do so.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02386.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02396.html
=== Ext4 fallocate() Happiness ===
[[EricSandeen|Eric Sandeen] suggested[1] that it would be useful to
speed the adoption of the preallocation features of the ext4 filesystem.
(See FWN#170[2] for previous coverage.) Eric provided a concise,
informative description of what preallocation is and how it can be used:
"One big feature that has already been brought up on the list[1] is file
preallocation, which allows an application to pre-allocate blocks it
knows that it will eventually write into, thereby making sure it won't
run out of space, and also generally getting a more efficient/contiguous
file layout. Only a few applications are taking advantage of this so
far, in part because it's new.[2] The transmission bittorrent client is
using it, but only if you tweak a configfile in (IMHO) non-obvious
ways."
A list of possible starting points to get more applications using
preallocation was also provided.
In response to some skepticism from Tom Lane further explanation of
which sorts of applications might benefit from preallocation was
shared[3] by Eric: "You wouldn't want to use it for every little file
you write, either. But for some cases it can be a big win. Torrent
downloading? This is sort of the quintessential case where it can help.
Databases? yes. Rsyncing large files? yep. Creating virtual images? yep.
Helping samba cope with weird windows client behavior? yep Basically
anything that is filled in over time, or filled in sparsely, could
potentially benefit." Further questioning by Michael Cronenworth on the
value of using ext4 as opposed to xfs yielded[4] further interesting
details.
It seemed[5] that the libvirt developers had already jumped at the
opportunity thanks to a patch provided[6] by Amit Shah.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02259.html
2.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue170#fallocate.282.29_Preferred_Gli...
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02281.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02309.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02285.html
6.
http://www.amitshah.net/2009/03/comparison-of-file-systems-and-speeding.html
=== NetworkManager in Fedora 11 Preview ===
MarkBidewell wondered[1] why his sole network interface was inactivated
automatically following a fresh install of Fedora 11 Preview.
DanWilliams explained[2] that this was a logical result of anaconda
writing either
"ONBOOT=no"
if the install was not over a network or else
"ONBOOT=yes"
if the install was over a network. Dan explained that this was in part a
security policy decision. Later Dan suggested[3] using
nm-connection-editor to correctly
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*
for both wired and wireless connections.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02457.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02461.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02484.html
=== Moblin2 Mostly Fedora-derived ? ===
Matthew Garrett picked up[1] on an older discussion about the extent to
which Moblin2 could be considered a derivative of Fedora. Matthew's
conclusion was that most of the packages were "[...] identical to the
Fedora package or is a simple mechanical transformation of a Fedora
package[.]" A significant number of the patches were mostly derived from
Fedora or SuSE also.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00157.html
=== Fedora 12: How to use DBUS for Terminal Sessions ? ===
Dan Walsh asked[1] for help in running a dbus session upon login to
terminals so that he could run restorecond as a system service rather
than a user service: "I want to run it under the Users UID and under
with the users context. Then I can have it watch for creation of files
in the users home directory and be the equivalent of running restorecon
~/ by the user."
Steve Grubb was[2] worried that this would disrupt the audit trail and
suggested a PAM session module instead. Bruno Wolff III also was
disturbed[3] by the idea: "This seems to increase the risk of hostile
apps being able to get executables relabelled to something they couldn't
do directly."
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00030.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00066.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00068.html
=== PulseAudio Flamewar Continues ===
The fallout from last week's thermonuclear flamewar continued[1] to
splatter downwards. Among the hotspots were: a thread in which Jóhann B.
Guðmundsson suggested[2] some way in which there would be no privileged
default desktop spin;
Bill Nottingham argued[3] that slamming the PulseAudio team for closing
bugs WONTFIX was inaccurate.
It seems that perhaps pavucontrol may be one way to change the relative
volume of individual applications (as per a question posed my Matthew
Woehlke and echoed[4] by Paul W. Frields. Lennart Poettering stated[5],
however, that pavucontrol should be removed.
1.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue173#PulseAudio:_A_Hearty_and_Robus...
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-April/msg02198.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00035.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00094.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00099.html
== Translation ==
This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n)
Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N
Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee
=== Document Colophon ===
Domingo Becker[1] and TianShixiong[2] made a request to add the names of
all the past/present translators of Fedora Installation Guide in the
books. Considering the vast number of languages and translators,
PaulFrields had initially suggested adding the names of the writers and
translators into individual wiki pages which could be linked to the
Document's Colophon section, since the list of names could potentially
run into quite a few pages.
Alternatively, Domingo Becker suggested[3] restricting the names of
translators for only a particular language in the translated version of
the document for that language.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00149.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00160.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00174.html
=== Missing sections from the F11 Release Notes ===
DomingoBecker reported about three missing sections in the .po files for
the Release Notes[1]. These 3 sections are currently not available for
translation.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00164.html
=== Fedora 11 Countdown Banner ===
The countdown banner for the Fedora 11 Release is available for
translation[1]. For correct display the mgopen-fonts package may be
required to be installed. The .svg files with the singluar/plural
versions of the countdown message are to be sent to Paolo Leoni [2].
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00168.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00178.html
=== Fedora Security Guide Now Available ===
Translations for the Fedora Security Guide can now be submitted via
translate.fedoraproject.org[1]. Eric Christensen requested for the book
to be added to translate.fedoraproject.org[2].
Additionally, Diego Búrigo Zacarão pointed out[3] that the translations
for this book do not need to be submitted to the target 'po/lang.po'.
Unlike other modules there is no 'po' directory for this book and the
file has to be uploaded to the target 'lang.po', where 'lang' is the
language code of the file being uploaded.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00184.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00171.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00199.html
=== FLP Meeting Scheduled ===
The next meeting of the Fedora Localization Project is scheduled for 5th
May 2009, Tuesday at 1900UTC on #fedora-meeting channel[1].
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00183.html
=== Freeze break in comps Module ===
Bill Nottingham requested[1] a freeze break for the comps module to
include the names for languages for which support has been added in the
upcoming release of Fedora. The changes were committed after an aye from
the FLP team[2].
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00181.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00196.html
=== Transifex Translation Request ===
The .po files for Transifex User Interface translation has been included
in translate.fedoraproject.org by Dimitris Glezos and Piotr Drag[1].
Both the development release and the current stable (0.6.x) release are
available for translation.
It is to be noted, that after the release of Fedora 11 and the lifting
of the Fedora Infrastructure freeze, translate.fedoraproject.org would
be upgraded to Transifex v.0.6[2]
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00209.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-April/msg00208.html
=== Documentation Decisions for Fedora 12 ===
In an effort to review the process of documenting the Release notes for
Fedora 12, John J. McDonough has put together a wiki page[1] and started
a discussion[2] with the Fedora-docs and Fedora-trans team.
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_decisions_for_F12
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00000.html
=== New Members/Co-ordinators in FLP ===
Adib Rastegarniya [1] joined the Persian translation team last week.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00002.html
== Artwork ==
In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork
Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei
=== FUDCon T-shirts ===
Max Spevack asked[1] on @fedora-art about a T-shirt design for the
upcoming FUDCon "we're simply adopting the FUDCon Boston design, with
the following changes: s/Boston/Berlin" and in reply Charlie Brej
pointed[2] at the program he made to dynamically generate the needed
images "the program is available [1] and is easy to modify".
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00005.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00008.html
=== Closing to the Release ===
With the Fedora 11 closing, Clint Savage checked[1] the status of the
CD/DVD sleeves, "so with that, I'd like to get the conversation started
and see what we want to do for the sleeves, design wise" for which Paul
W. Frields expressed[2] his preference for including a lion "since it
won't generate any usability problems, I'd like to request that the lion
appear on the sleeve. :-)". Paul also asked[3] about a Fedora 11
specific Plymouth plugin "Was there a Plymouth plugin being created or
reviewed for F11? I seem to recall Charlie producing something but
wasn't sure about the status", which according to Ray Strode[4], the
main Plymouth developer, is still under work and its availability is not
certain "I've been working on coming up with something the last couple
of days, but it may be too late for F11 at this point, so we may end up
with spinfinity. We'll have to see how it goes down."
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00294.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00296.html
3.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00299.html
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00002.html
== Fedora Weekly Webcomic ==
Nicu Buculei's weekly[1] take on the world of Fedora.
1.
http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2009/04/fedora-weekly-webcomic-popcorn.html
== Virtualization ==
In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization
technologies on the @fedora-virt list.
Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley
=== Fedora Virtualization List ===
This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list.
==== Virtualization Test Day ====
Mark McLoughlin announced[1] that Fedora 11 "Test Day"[2] for
virtualization is this week on Thursday May 7th. "On the day, you'll
have the opportunity to work closely with other Fedora developers and
contributors to make a real impact on the quality of Fedora's
virtualization features."
"The wiki page[3] contains a first cut at listing test areas which we
will cover on the day. Each test area will have a set of test cases. We
plan to flesh out these test cases as part of the test day, but if
people could dive in now and start writing some test cases, that would
make a huge difference."
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-April/msg00287.html
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Test_Days
3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-07_Virtualization
==== New Release libguestfs 1.0.15 ====
Richard Jones announced[1] "version 1.0.15 of libguestfs, the library
for accessing and modifying virtual machine filesystems."
New Features:
* New virt-inspector[2] tool.
This can tell you at a high level what is on a virtual machine, such
as how its filesystems are mounted, what OS and version it is
running, what kernel, drivers and apps are installed.
* New 'lvremove', 'vgremove', 'pvremove' commands.
* Add really working support for NTFS and FAT.
* Add really working support for CD-ROMs and DVDs.
* Add --ro option for read-only mounts in guestfish.
* New 'set-e2uuid', 'get-e2uuid', 'set-e2label', 'get-e2label'
commands for setting ext2/3/4 UUIDs and labels.
* New 'debug' command for debugging daemon internals.
* Guestfish recipes.
* Many bugs fixed (note: including a data corruptor that affected
FileOut transfers, so upgrading is recommended).
Version 1.0.10 was announced just last week (FWN#173[3]). Also see
Richard's many blog posts[4] on libguestfs.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-April/msg00259.html
2. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/libguestfs/virt-inspector.1.html
3.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue173#New_Release_libguestfs_1.0.10
4. http://en.wordpress.com/tag/libguestfs/
==== Install Grub Bootloader on Converted Virtual Images ====
Dennis J. was "experimenting[1] with converting a physical system to a
virtual one" and "was able to transfer the system to a volume group in
an image file. My problem is that I don't know how to install grub on
that image file."
Richard Jones asked "Why not just copy across the whole block device?
This is essentially what virt-p2v[2] does, although virt-p2v is doing
nothing more than automating what you could do by hand." Richard then
quickly added a grub-install feature to libguestfs[3],and
demonstrated[4] how to use it.
Richard noted[5] the minimum target is Fedora 11. "There's no chance of
libguestfs for Fedora 10, because the qemu maintainers aren't interested
in pulling back vmchannel support into that old qemu 0.9 package in
F-10."
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-April/msg00288.html
2. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-p2v/
3. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/libguestfs/
4.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-April/msg00294.html
5.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-April/msg00261.html
==== Virt-Manage an Existing Guest ====
Tom London asked[1] about importing an existing guest for management by
virt-manager. One option is to use virt-install to create a similar
guest, then export and modify the XML definition of that guest, and
finally 'virsh define' it.
Another option was by posted[2] by Daniel Berrange. It's a perl script
that can be used to create an XML definition from the set of qemu-kvm
command line arguments used to create the guest.
1.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-April/msg00247.html
2.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-April/msg00251.html
== Ambassadors ==
In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero
=== Fedora stars at Flisol Caracas ===
As reported by event organizer Maria Leandro, Flisol Caracas was held
recently, with an estimated attendance of 1,700 people, including 100
installers, 15 protocol and 15 sponsors. The Fedora team had a hard day
with eight conferences and 12 workshops; as well as the first National
tournament of UrbanTerror (a freeware game) and a gpg key sign fest. At
the closing, players had the StarWars Club (Darth Vader and one
StormTrooper) hovering around with the guys.
Fedora Venezuela installed a lot of machines and gave out 300 LiveDVDs,
50 bubble stickers and 50 vinyl stickers; and the users were really
happy with this. Pablo Hernandez (paceh) gave a workshop about
Fedora-USB installations and I gave a Conference about the Fedora
Community in Venezuela, and found a lot of new users.
Maria also want to say that we had two major interviews, one on national
radio and another on national TV (Globovision) and in both of them,
Fedora was the center of attention.
Next year Maria will be the National Organizer and she hopes to set up
the first Fedora Venezuela General Meeting with all the Fedora users in
the country. In the mean time, the Fedoristas have some workshops at
several universities, some stands at national conferences (3 stands) and
a special "B-day" for our community.
These are some of the photos... but I'm still waiting for more, and the
video of the TV appearance:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/sets/72157615817707690/
== Got Ambassador News? ==
Any Ambassador news tips from around the Fedora community can be
submitted to me by e-mailing lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org and I'd
be glad to put it in this weekly report.
--
Oisin Feeley
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley
15 years
#174
by Oisin Feeley
Hi all,
#174 will be delayed for a few hours unless Pascal or Huzaifa can take
over.
So far I've copied all beats marked "COMPLETE" to 174 and had my welcome
blurb somehow removed after I'd written it. I have to go now for about
3 hours but will be back to finish the job if need be. Thank you
everyone for this week's beats again.
best,
--
Oisin Feeley
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley
15 years